I just flew on an American flight that was scheduled to depart Milwaukee at 6:15 p.m. and arrive in Dallas at 9:00 p.m................15 min shy of three hours. This is normally a 2 hour and 20 min flight and used to be scheduled as such.
I am curious if other people noticed this? Seems to have happened within the last 6-12 months but was previously padded at 2 hours and 30 min.
There was an article in the Chicago Tribune a few months back about this matter. Much of the extra time in the schedule is to allow for various types of ground delays. DFW is so huge that it can take 10-20 minutes of steady (not stop-and-go) taxiing to get between the runway and the gate. Several other airports have the same issues.
And then there is this weird stuff. My niece flew from ORD to Salt Lake City on Frontier. The plane left the gate 12 minutes early.
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Airline Route block scheduling has several points. Most airlines pay their plane crews the greater of scheduled or block to block actual time. There have been proposals to pay by an average enroue time or actual but do not know how that average would be detrmined. That way public times allow for a better on time percentage. As well the FAA regulates crew schedule times to 8 hours or less block to block for domestic times..
Since the FAA has implemented $$$$ penalties on carriers for various service failures - the carriers pad the schedules to keeep the service from 'failing' and becoming subject to the penalty.
I would expect flight crews are paid from their reporting time to their final relieving time - not the time actually in the air.
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BaltACD Since the FAA has implemented $$$$ penalties on carriers for various service failures - the carriers pad the schedules to keeep the service from 'failing' and becoming subject to the penalty. I would expect flight crews are paid from their reporting time to their final relieving time - not the time actually in the air.
Sounds just like the railroad, we'll just re-tag that late train so it's today's instead of yesterday's, now she's 4 hours early instead of 20 late.
Train crews are also on pay from the time we report for duty, not the time the train actually leaves the yard.
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On one occasion when I was coming home, #5 was 2 1/2 hours late leaving Chicago because of freight congestion east of Chicago--and we lost more time beore we reached Lincoln, arriving about five hours late. The crew who boarded at Lincoln had been called for duty much earlier (I did not ask how much earlier), and had to be relieved somewhere in western Nebraska, and not in Denver. We arrived in Salt Lake City 6:16 late. (Two nights on board instead of just one.)
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BaltACDI would expect flight crews are paid from their reporting time to their final relieving time - not the time actually in the air.
Not so, They are paid for their gate to gate time acording to some news reports I have read. Can't cite one but recall there were issues on fatigue because the crews were delayed but they were not paid but did not have the rest they needed.
Electroliner 1935 BaltACD I would expect flight crews are paid from their reporting time to their final relieving time - not the time actually in the air. Not so, They are paid for their gate to gate time acording to some news reports I have read. Can't cite one but recall there were issues on fatigue because the crews were delayed but they were not paid but did not have the rest they needed.
BaltACD I would expect flight crews are paid from their reporting time to their final relieving time - not the time actually in the air.
I do not know the current rules, but some attendants told me once that they are paid on pull away from gate to landing, while pilots are paid from reporting time to being relieved.
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