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Amtrak cancel SE trains Feb 12 - 14 due to weather resuming FEB 15th.

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Posted by ACY Tom on Wednesday, February 19, 2014 7:25 PM
I'm trying to get in touch with some friends in the Mechanical Dept., but haven't been able to talk to them. I'm currently taking some vacation time that I'm due, and trying to prepare for retirement this spring. Since this thread was initiated to cover weather-related matters, I think it should go over to the thread on Amtrak cuts.
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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, February 18, 2014 3:20 AM

Only one special cable required per train, at the half-way point in the consist between the two halves,  The real expensse is equipping the power with distributed power technology, which is radio control of the rear unit by the front.  It should be a cosst-effective investment, though.   The second unit is then between the last passenger car and the auto carriers.

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Posted by ACY Tom on Monday, February 17, 2014 11:33 PM
Sorry, folks. Not only did the posting go up without any separation of paragraphs, but the edit went in with the words jumbled. I'M CONFLOOSED!
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Posted by ACY Tom on Monday, February 17, 2014 9:49 PM
A couple things: 1. How much would it cost per installation? The present plan, which is to add a coach during the cooler months and remove it during the warm ones, involves no equipment mods and no troublesome refueling of the power units you suggest. 2. If 33 auto carriers are placed between the locomotives and the passenger equipment, there will be unavoidable buff & draft forces for the engineers to deal with. As it is, our engineers are probably the best in the business. They operate a 50-car train, which is longer than a lot of freight trains, and they do it at 70 mph., over undulating terrain, in such a way that there is very little slack action for the passengers and crew to deal with. Way back around the late 1980's, the late Tom Dressler(N&W freight engineer, N&W historian, writer, and scale model builder) rode the Auto Train with his wife. After the trip, he wrote to W. Graham Claytor, Amtrak's President, complimenting the engine crew for excellent train handling (among other nice things he had to say). It's the only time I ever saw a letter that mentioned the skill of the engineers. Put the passenger cars behind the auto carriers, and you'll probably sacrifice the ability of the engineers to do that. This would also probably complicate switching at both ends of the run, and would double our dwell time at Florence, SC (midway servicing stop) because the locomotives would have to \ be spotted for refueling, and THEN the train would have to be pulled up in position to top off water tanks in the diners. I'm not trying to be negative here. I know these suggestions are being offered in good faith, and I really do appreciate that.
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Posted by V.Payne on Monday, February 17, 2014 8:59 PM

Why not a Capstone turbine alternator in the equipment bay over the trucks of each food service car? This is where a good portion of the electrical load is and they are set up to recuperate heat from the exhaust gases, so hot water can be free. They run off various fuels and are pre packaged skids in 30, 65, and 200 kW variants for transportation applications. You could use several for redundancy. http://www.capstoneturbine.com/prodsol/products/ Take a look at the pictures in the back of a bus to get the scale. http://www.capstoneturbine.com/prodsol/solutions/hev.asp

Then put the carriers up front combined with ECP braking (again).

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Posted by ACY Tom on Monday, February 17, 2014 2:50 PM
I'll relay the messages. But aren't these solutions going to involve a lot of cash outlay? Wouldn't this involve running special power cables through 2 diners, a lounge car, 5 coaches, 3 Sleepers, another diner, another lounge, 3 more sleepers, and a transition sleeper on each of the two consists? Of course these would also have to be installed in all the extra cars in the pool, so it would be more than the 34 cars mentioned above? My idea was to simply have the extra engine sandwiched between the passenger section and the auto carrier section, with no function other than to provide about 1/2 of the train's HEP needs. It might be necessary to have one employee stay with the extra unit, but I think this would be less costly than adding cables to all those passengers cars. I'm shooting from the hip here. This is not my area of expertise at all. In any case, don't overestimate the amount of clout I have.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 17, 2014 2:25 PM

Coolthese are used all the time in the KCS business train.Bang Head

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Posted by daveklepper on Monday, February 17, 2014 2:01 PM

ACY, your mechanical people may not have thought of the idea of special cablles with only the control circuits running through and the power circuits left out.   I sugest you might score by including this and your making suggestion again.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Monday, February 17, 2014 11:08 AM

ACY

. My suggestion was to place a loco (perhaps an old F40 or something of that ilk) behind the last Superliner and ahead of the first Auto Carrier. The loco would be there only to contribute to HEP, and would not contribute to traction because it would probably create some serious buff/draft issues if the traction motors were engaged. .

buff should not be much of a problem as there would be more auto carriers behind the rear loco than Passenger cars in front ? Hope you can follow up sometime with mechanical forces both locations.  may be hard for you to get time in Sanford ?  
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Posted by ACY Tom on Monday, February 17, 2014 10:13 AM
Quite some time ago I mentioned this type of solution to some of our Mechanical Dept. people, and was told this was unlikely to happen. I don't know whether the problem was lack of extra locomotives, or some technical/mechanical/electrical issue, or something else. My suggestion was to place a loco (perhaps an old F40 or something of that ilk) behind the last Superliner and ahead of the first Auto Carrier. The loco would be there only to contribute to HEP, and would not contribute to traction because it would probably create some serious buff/draft issues if the traction motors were engaged. The idea never went any further. I don't know the reason(s). As I've said before, I'm a little cog in a big machine and I can't make policy.
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Posted by daveklepper on Monday, February 17, 2014 8:22 AM

There must be a way to isolate the power distribiution at the half-way point without isolating the control funcitons.   Possiblyi a special jumper cable for the purpose.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Monday, February 17, 2014 6:57 AM

daveklepper

ACY:   Maybe you can make this suggestion:   Install distributed power capability in the locomotives assigned to the Auto Train.   Instead of all locomotives concentrated at the front, have one unit at the back, mid-train do not connect the HEP jumper, let a front locomotive provide HEP for the front half of the train and the rear locomotive for the rear half.

ACY:  Second that.  Only problems can see is the length of the 27 point locomotive control connection to rear loco and / or possible car control problems if front and rear sections are out of phase alignment of the 480 V ?  Some one of your mechanical / electrician can tell you more.
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Posted by daveklepper on Monday, February 17, 2014 6:31 AM

ACY:   Maybe you can make this suggestion:   Install distributed power capability in the locomotives assigned to the Auto Train.   Instead of all locomotives concentrated at the front, have one unit at the back, mid-train do not connect the HEP jumper, let a front locomotive provide HEP for the front half of the train and the rear locomotive for the rear half.

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Posted by ACY Tom on Saturday, February 15, 2014 10:55 AM
One additional Superliner coach was added to each of the Auto Train's two consists, beginning about a month ago. Recent passenger counts have approached 600 pax. I don't know where the additional coaches were found. This could have been due to an adjustment of the routine maintenance cycle for coaches already assigned to A-T service, but I don't know for sure. I understand that this will only be possible for a few months because the summertime HEP demands will exceed the capacity of the electrical lines, due to the amount of power required for A/C in the warmer months. Back around the 1990's, this became an issue when power cables blew several times on very hot days. Maybe somebody with more mechanical/electrical background can give a better explanation.
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Posted by Dakguy201 on Saturday, February 15, 2014 7:28 AM

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Long distance operations in the Southeast will resume in full, including the popular Auto Train which now features additional capacity. The Silver Star (Trains 91 & 92) will operate between Jacksonville, Fla., and Miami.

I wonder where they found the additional Superliners.  I thought those cars were in short supply with several routes that essentially are at capacity.  Perhaps the western trains are shortened during the winter months? 

 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, February 14, 2014 1:06 PM

Normal  LD  and NEC   service Saturday.

Amtrak to Resume Normal Operations on Northeast Corridor, Long Distance Services

Service Recovery Nearly Complete Following Major Winter Storm

February 14, 2014 1:15 p.m. ET
Amtrak will operate a full Saturday schedule on the Northeast Corridor on February 15th. Acela Express (Boston – Washington), Northeast Regional (Boston - Lynchburg/Newport News/Norfolk), Keystone Service (New York – Harrisburg, Pa.), Empire Service (New York – Albany, N.Y.) and Piedmont Service (Raleigh – Charlotte) will all operate on normal Saturday schedules.

Long distance operations in the Southeast will resume in full, including the popular Auto Train which now features additional capacity. The Silver Star (Trains 91 & 92) will operate between Jacksonville, Fla., and Miami.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Thursday, February 13, 2014 10:19 PM

As of 11:0 Pm (2300) all SE Long distance trains show cancelled except Crescent.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Thursday, February 13, 2014 6:57 PM

Preliminary plan for Friday but LD not yet as of 3:45 PM.

Amtrak bulletin

Keystone Service and most Northeast Regional trains to operate as scheduled

Feb. 13, 2014 3:45 p.m. ET

Amtrak plans to operate all Keystone Service (New York - Harrisburg) and most Northeast Regional service (Boston - Washington), in addition to reduced frequencies of Acela Express (Washington – Boston) and Empire Service (New York – Albany, N.Y.) on Friday, Feb. 14, following the severe winter storm that impacted most of the East Coast.

Amtrak Downeaster (Brunswick, Maine – Boston) and the Springfield Shuttle (New Haven, Conn. – Springfield, Mass.) will continue to operate a normal schedule.

Additional information about long-distance service that runs along the East Coast will be provided later today when available.

 

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Posted by ACY Tom on Thursday, February 13, 2014 10:19 AM
Snow is 13-15" deep in my yard in Hagerstown, MD right now, with some wind-blown drifting. Some of this snow was on the ground before last night's snowfall.
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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, February 13, 2014 8:27 AM

February 13 -

US Government offices in DC shut down.

VRE & MARC cancelled all operations

Contracted Crew transportation shut down.

All school systems in the Baltimore/Washington Metro area - closed.

As of 0700 - Interstates in the Baltimore area snow covered with snow plow conga lines

Upto 18 inches in Baltimore suburbs

Never too old to have a happy childhood!

              

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Posted by thegreatpumpkin on Thursday, February 13, 2014 12:21 AM

Hindsight being 20/20, I am not sure 19 and 20 (Crescent) needed to be cancelled. Freezing rain, sleet, and heavy wet snow events happen during the winter months here in the GA/SC/NC Piedmont. The former Southern mainline is equipped with switch heaters to handle it. Although typical winter weather is not of this magnitude, NS has managed to run at least some of their trains through the storm. Maybe the primary concern was signal outages due to anticipated commercial power failures, which appear likely on CSX in SC/NC with this storm.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:41 PM

now  --- Thursday all single level trains except Lakeshore cancelled.  wonder if the Lakeshore can leave NYP on time ?  Amtrak is also running modified schedule on the NEC including Albany & Harrisburg.  Downeaster & Springfield will be normal operation.

Here is Amtrak's announcement.

 

AMTRAK TO OPERATE MODIFIED SCHEDULE ON THURSDAY, FEB. 13

Reduced schedule along the East Coast to minimize impact on travelers

Feb. 12, 2014

4 p.m. ET

Due to the winter storm now moving up the East Coast, Amtrak will operate a modified schedule on Thursday, Feb. 13, 2014.

Acela Express (Washington – Boston), Northeast Regional service (Boston - Lynchburg/Newport News/Norfolk), Keystone Service (New York – Harrisburg, Pa.) and Empire Service (New York – Albany, N.Y.) will all operate at reduced frequencies or modified schedules.

In addition, the following long-distance services originating on Feb. 13 are canceled: Crescent (New York – New Orleans), Auto Train (Lorton, Va. – Sanford, Fla.), Carolinian (New York – Charlotte), Palmetto (New York – Savannah) and Piedmont (Raleigh – Charlotte). Additionally, the Silver Meteor (New York – Miami) Train 98 is canceled and the Silver Star will only operate between Jacksonville, Fla., and Miami. Amtrak Thruway Bus services associated with canceled trains will not operate.

Amtrak Downeaster (Brunswick, Maine – Boston) and the Springfield Shuttle (New Haven, Conn. – Springfield, Mass.) are not affected and are expected to operate a normal schedule.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Wednesday, February 12, 2014 11:02 AM

ACY
My latest info indicates the decision to annul the Auto Train was made by CSX, not Amtrak. I presume this is also true of the other trains affected.

 
Evidently Amtrak modified the bulletin a couple times.  Yes Auto train did not operate.
So far no ice here but Atlanta north is getting it.  Augusta now predicted of 1-1/2" ice with more in South Carolina.  Our temperature just now hit 32.2F so  we will ice.
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Posted by ACY Tom on Wednesday, February 12, 2014 10:16 AM
My latest info indicates the decision to annul the Auto Train was made by CSX, not Amtrak. I presume this is also true of the other trains affected.
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Posted by ACY Tom on Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:55 AM
Auto Train is 52 northbound; 53 southbound. Crews have been notified the trains originating Feb. 12 have been annulled. No info re. date of resumption of service.
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Amtrak cancel SE trains Feb 12 - 14 due to weather resuming FEB 15th.
Posted by blue streak 1 on Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:31 PM

Link to cancelled trains.  Appears Auto train is operating according to status maps.

Weather here SW of Atlanta is not going to be as bad as the Carolinas and Augusta, Ga with an inch of freezing rain there.  Really hope there is no power failure here.

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http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServer?c=AM_Alert_C&pagename=am/AM_Alert_C/Alerts_Popup&cid=1251625562802

  

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