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Car did not stop for Crescent

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Car did not stop for Crescent
Posted by blue streak 1 on Saturday, May 4, 2013 6:54 PM

Sketchy reports that Tr #20 hit a car near Toccoa Ga. Friday night  Three occupants were killed.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/3-austell-residents-killed-amtrak-train/nXgtw/

This was a crossing only marked by a crossbucks.  Was 2 track.  Crescent arrived NYP 4 hrs late.

edit  ---   Happened just south of Toccoa station. Train left ATL on time and arrived almost 5 hr late at Toccoa station.

http://www.ajc.com/ap/ap/georgia/3-killed-when-car-collides-with-train-in-north-ga/nXg3T/

 

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Posted by John WR on Saturday, May 4, 2013 7:37 PM

All I can say is that this is sad.  No crossing gates.  

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Posted by oltmannd on Sunday, May 5, 2013 8:45 AM
It had cross bucks and a stop sign.

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Posted by henry6 on Sunday, May 5, 2013 8:47 AM

Sounds like it is a public crossing but this was possibly the only auto this day across it, thus no gates, lights and bells.  It was properly "protected" but the driver wasn't properly aware or reactive to the signs and the laws nor the common sense of driving such crossings.

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Posted by John WR on Sunday, May 5, 2013 6:48 PM

henry6
Sounds like it is a public crossing but this was possibly the only auto this day across it,

I do assume, Henry, this was a crossing that was seldom used by cars.  Still, there is a road there.  Is a standard crossing gate with bars coming down, blinking red lights and a bell to expensive for grade crossings which are rarely used?

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Posted by henry6 on Sunday, May 5, 2013 7:03 PM

There is a standard or rules or whatever governing what protection a crossing gets based on auto usage.  One car a day or a week would not warrant anything more than cross bucks or maybe a stop sign.  Usually such roads are used by local people who know or should know the railroad routine.  If it is public instead of private, then the train has to blow its horn; if it is private, then the horn usually need not be blown and the private owner is responsible for his own and users safety and use.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Sunday, May 5, 2013 7:03 PM

I would like to see a human factors ivestigation of this accident.  The driver was apparently from Austell, Ga. which has some crossings but are all protected by lights and gates and of course cross bucks.  Accident was at night with just cross bucks.  Maybe driver anticipated lights if train was coming close  ? ? 

Maybe it is time for cross buck only crossings to get the 45 degree reflectors on the cross bucks ?> Is it Ohio that has them ?

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Posted by henry6 on Sunday, May 5, 2013 7:14 PM

Not from GA but would thing just crossbucks would make one to "stop, look, and listen" before proceeding across tracks...lack of lights and gates puts onus on auto driver to be alert.  

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Posted by John WR on Sunday, May 5, 2013 7:33 PM

henry6
lack of lights and gates puts onus on auto driver to be alert.  

It sure does.  

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Sunday, May 5, 2013 8:30 PM

henry6

.lack of lights and gates puts onus on auto driver to be alert.  

 My point is that this is an unlighted rural road that maybe the driver thought that there was lights there ?  With all the rain in the area it was a somewhat foggy night thru out north Georgia; although I do not know if there was fog at that location. The area is also somewhat higher in elevation that could have caused fog.  So a human factors study of this accident is certainly called for but willl not happen unless the NTSB is involved. Don't expect state of Ga to do one .
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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, May 5, 2013 8:36 PM

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henry6

.lack of lights and gates puts onus on auto driver to be alert.  

 My point is that this is an unlighted rural road that maybe the driver thought that there was lights there ?  With all the rain in the area it was a somewhat foggy night thru out north Georgia; although I do not know if there was fog at that location. The area is also somewhat higher in elevation that could have caused fog.  So a human factors study of this accident is certainly called for but willl not happen unless the NTSB is involved. Don't expect state of Ga to do one .

And don't expect the NTSB to get involved in a 'run of the mill' crossing incident that involved a private automobile.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, May 5, 2013 8:40 PM

Reminds me of a line from an Emily Dickinson poem.

"Because I could not stop for Death, he kindly stopped for me."

I don't know if the lady knew about grade crossing accidents, but she just might have.

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Posted by John WR on Monday, May 6, 2013 2:05 PM

Firelock76
"Because I could not stop for Death, he kindly stopped for me."

Apparently even death rides Amtrak.

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