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AMTRAK closed NH - BOS 3/17/2013

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AMTRAK closed NH - BOS 3/17/2013
Posted by blue streak 1 on Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:35 AM

Due to a P&W DERAILMENT  near east haven service is suspended until  (  ?  )

http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServer?c=AM_Alert_C&pagename=am/AM_Alert_C/Alerts_Popup&cid=1251623526410

AMTRAK is running a detour train New Haven - springfiel - boston each way.  The NH - SPG portion can be covered by a regular crew.   SPG - BOS can be covered by a spare BOS - ALB  crew .  However AMTRAK does not keep anough bos crews qualified on the SPG segment..  IMHO that situation needs addressing some how.

1.  Maybe there could be 2 -3 NYP - BOS trips that follow the inland route thereby getting many more crews qualified without the high cost of qualifying.

2.  There should be no problem of MBTA allowing their portion BOS - Worcester ( 44 miles ) to accept these short notice detours.  That would be especially desireable to MBTA if the detours stopped at WOR. 

3. That would only require getting  CSX to  sign some advance agreement for the 54 mile  WOR - SPG  allowing for short notice trains..

4. Another factor is MBTA's desire to EVENTUALLY run BOS - SPG. 

 5.  all this just begs the question that there is eventually a second route BOS -NYP - WASH that can take detour trains when the certain to happen closure of one rote for whatever reason happens. 

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Posted by John WR on Sunday, March 17, 2013 2:25 PM

This is certainly a problem for people traveling on the Shore Line, especially people using the New London and Westerly stations.  But I have never known it to happen before.  

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Posted by MerrilyWeRollAlong on Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:25 PM

Service has been restored with numerous delays and cancellations.  Found photos of the wreck online: http://www.ilovenewhaven.org/

i think the biggest issue with using the inland route, while a good idea, as a detour is the lack of diesel electric motive power to handle the detour trains, especially on the Boston end. With the P40/42 fleet spread so thin as it is, having enough power sitting around on standby for inland detours is not a good use resources.

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Posted by henry6 on Sunday, March 17, 2013 7:39 PM

Probably the biggest problem was qualified and rested crews.  Springfield to Boston one way is about 2 and a half hours...with at least a half hour sign in and sign out on each end of a round trip...you've got a 6 hour day...can two round trips be sqeezed in 11 hours and 59 mnutes?  Probably not.  Then, yes, locomotives come as the next problem.

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Posted by John WR on Sunday, March 17, 2013 8:22 PM

Thanks for the pictures, Roll Along.  I looked for some but couldn't find any.  

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Posted by MidlandMike on Sunday, March 17, 2013 8:44 PM

IIRC before the Shoreline electrification there were some regular schedule NH-BOS trains via Springfield.

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Posted by John WR on Sunday, March 17, 2013 9:00 PM

There was a day before the Hell Gate Bridge when the Federal Express (trains 71 and 72) took the inland route, crossed the Hudson and went down the west side of New Jersey bypassing New York.  

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, March 19, 2013 11:55 AM

John WR

There was a day before the Hell Gate Bridge when the Federal Express (trains 71 and 72) took the inland route, crossed the Hudson and went down the west side of New Jersey bypassing New York. 

You had me confused until I realized you were going Boston to Washington and not the other way.

There were as I recall a couple of flavors of this operation.  One of them involved the whole train being loaded on a lighter or ferry and given a leisurely trip up the East/Harlem River, not just over the Hudson.  If I remember correctly, this bypassed 'Manhattan' but you were just across the river from it when you got to the eastbound side.  This was back in the days when the consist was shorter -- I think they used the train-ferry 'Maryland' at one point, and that was limited to something like 6 cars; you didn't have to split the train into multiple 'sections' and then reassemble it.

At one point ISTR that train went over the Poughkeepsie Bridge, L&HR, and then ... I think ... down the Bel Del.  This partly followed the route by which S1 6100 went to the World's Fair.  I think that's what you were mentioning... BUT trying to divert Amtrak service via that route today might pose some ... problems...  <VVBG>

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Tuesday, March 19, 2013 5:47 PM

henry6

Probably the biggest problem was qualified and rested crews.  Springfield to Boston one way is about 2 and a half hours...with at least a half hour sign in and sign out on each end of a round trip...you've got a 6 hour day...can two round trips be sqeezed in 11 hours and 59 mnutes?  Probably not.  Then, yes, locomotives come as the next problem.

Henry;   The shuttle crews NH - SPG can cover that segment and the 1;30 present schedule probably is reduced to 1;20 since detours are not stopping anywhere on that segment.  That would allow one crew at least 2-1/2 round trips on duty. Unscheduled meets are however a problem although the re double tracking will mitigate that somewhat.  
The SPG - BOS is carded for the about 2-1/2 hrs so maybe the spare Lakeshore crews could make 1-1/2 round trips ?
Locomotives?  --   Once new diesel locos are delivered  ( 2018 ?? ) some of the locos present can be assigned as spares in BOS, SPG, NH and other locations needing spare locos that are not now available.  Probable # of locos assigned to each service.  Vermonter - 5,  Lakeshore 5 or 6, SPG regionals - 2 or 3, Shuttlle - 2 OR 3,             
ACELAs cannot detour or are not towable? so some of those passengers would ride regionals. 
There may be a blockage anywhere from NH  - BOS so Shore line east and MBTA could shuttle passenger to either NH or BOS depending where the blockage is located. There cannot really much pre planning for what time detour trains would need to first start.  I will speculate on a full day's possible schedule.
1.  West bound regionalS 95 - 195  leave BOS at  0640 with P-40 ( from lakeshore pool ) leading a  P-4- or  MBTA loco, change crews at SPG and leave SPG at 0910 - 0915 arrive NH at 1030. 
2.  Eastbound Regionals 150 - 190 could leave NH 0900 with a P-40 leading a SLE loco trailing arrive SPG 1030 and use crew that just arrived in SPG to return to arrive BOS at 1330.
3. Westbound regionals 163,173  leave BOS at 1140 arrive NH 1600 .
4.  North bound Vermonter leaves NH AT 1320 connects BOS passenger to 448 at SPG
5. Southbound Vermonter leaves SPG at 1420 arrive NH 1630
6. Eastbound Regional  ( 86   )  leave NH at 1405 arrrive  BOS 1800
7. Westbound Regional  ( 177,139, 169  ) leave BOS 1730 to cover last ACELA arrive NH2130  
8. East bound regional  ( 94, 194  )    leave NH at 1900 arrive BOS 2300
9. Westbound  Regional 67 leave BOS on time 2130 arr NH 0130  should be on time by PHL
10. East bound 66 leave NH on time 0440 arr BOS 0840 
This allows for about every 6 hr service. The Shuttle service can be cancelled as needed to have crew coverage for this service.  West bound Lakeshore ( 449 )  might pull # 4 on read to SPG requiring no crew and eastbound Lakeshore might pull # 3 SPG - BOS 
2  -  3   crews MAYBE  needed from Lakeshore pool 
 
Although this proposal is only speculation AMTRAK can certainly take ridership figures and make a planning decision.  It will take work with both the unions, CSX, MBTA. SLE, to have this set up before there is any blockage anywhere  NH - BOS. 
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Posted by rcdrye on Thursday, March 21, 2013 7:24 AM

A lot of this only works on weekends.  Springfield to Worcester is single track except for a few miles on each end.  CSX runs a fair number of trains through there in the daytime.

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