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St Paul Union Depot opens again to public (soon to Amtrak)

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Posted by CMStPnP on Wednesday, April 16, 2014 10:31 PM

jrbernier

 The large double decker 'Mega Bus' concept could pull away a lot of inter-city traffic.  With tickets in the $30 range, and 6 departures/day out of Mpls - This is pulling away student fares....

Jim

Very little competition between the train and the bus.     This is often cited by bus operators when Amtrak starts up service in a local area that Amtrak will take all their service.    I think the competition or crossover between bus and train is approx 11% at best.     Majority of Amtrak's competition for load factor is airlines and automobiles.

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Posted by jrbernier on Wednesday, April 16, 2014 9:18 PM

  The Fridley platform would not be 'free' - and I would suspect little revenue.  The facts are that Amtrak is dependent on Congressional funding, and has not been able to pay its bills/brake even in it's entire history(let alone pay back the congressional funding that keeps it alive).

  I have ridden the EB(in 2010) and it was enjoyable.but I feel that Amtrak may have a bigger competitor in the near future.  The large double decker 'Mega Bus' concept could pull away a lot of inter-city traffic.  With tickets in the $30 range, and 6 departures/day out of Mpls - This is pulling away student fares....

Jim

Modeling BNSF  and Milwaukee Road in SW Wisconsin

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Posted by aricat on Thursday, April 3, 2014 8:35 AM

The present Amtrak route through the Twin Cities is the most logical even after Amtrak begins to use SPUD again. The Burlington and the C&NW had to back their passenger trains into SPUD when both operated passenger trains. IF Amtrak wanted to access BNSF near SPUD it would have to do a back up move to access SPUD. If it uses CP it would not. Amtrak uses Minnesota Commercial tracks to access Midway Station and BNSF trackage and should continue to do so after it begins service to SPUD.

Amtrak should also seriously consider using the Fridley Minnesota Station of the Northstar Commuter. With the opening and use of SPUD by Amtrak this will leave the western half of the Twin Cities having to drive to downtown St Paul. The Fridley Station has ample parking available and is near I-694 and easy to get to. The station could be operated as an unstaffed station. The sleeping car attendant could load sleeping car passengers and the Amtrak conductor coach passengers.

Amtrak hopefully might consider an additional train between Chicago and St Cloud Minnesota too.

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Posted by Dakguy201 on Thursday, April 3, 2014 3:59 AM

Interestingly, there will still be a pause at Midway station to switch cars into or out of the consist.  Unless something has changed recently, a coach is added/taken off daily for the Twin Cities/Chicago portion of the run, and occasionally private cars need switching as well. 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Wednesday, April 2, 2014 12:02 PM

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Apparently the interlocking to enter the new station has not been designed.  Why?  Not disclosed.  So it may take several months to get the track, switches, & signaling installed ?

evidently the inter locking is now complete with an afternoon  May 7th start up for Amtrak.
Since so many RRs are involved near the station one has to wonder why no terminal RR was implemented ? Could have been much like LAX or Houston on a much smaller scale ?  That might also increase fluidity for all RRs in the MSP local area ?
 
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Posted by beaulieu on Friday, January 18, 2013 10:57 AM

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Apparently the interlocking to enter the new station has not been designed.  Why?  Not disclosed.  So it may take several months to get the track, switches, & signaling installed ?

Because SPUD planned to use hand-throw switches and when the plans went to the FRA for approval they said no. The design of the Interlocking is complicated by the track ownership and control adjacent to SPUD. The nearest mainline track to SPUD is owned by the UP, while the other two, closer to the river are owned by CP. The UP track is non-CTC, while the CP's tracks are CTC. Money for the Interlocking is the sand in the gears of progress.
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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, January 18, 2013 9:43 AM

Apparently the interlocking to enter the new station has not been designed.  Why?  Not disclosed.  So it may take several months to get the track, switches, & signaling installed ?

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Posted by Dakguy201 on Friday, January 18, 2013 4:56 AM

At present the Empire Builder goes right past the soon to be reopened station.  No route change will be necessary other than the installation of switches and a siding to use to load -passengers.  A quick review of satellite views of the various right of ways west of the station did not suggest a better route through the city.

 

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Posted by Deggesty on Wednesday, January 16, 2013 12:06 PM

I wonder if Trains will give us details on the route change, such as mileposts through the area.

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St Paul Union Depot opens again to public (soon to Amtrak)
Posted by CMStPnP on Wednesday, January 16, 2013 12:32 AM

Google the pictures on the Internet, looks like they did a good job with the restoration.     Amtrak will switch to St. Paul Union Depot and abandon Midway station the articles seem to indicate.

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