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Brazil vs. California
Posted by oltmannd on Tuesday, November 6, 2012 2:21 PM

Brazil is planning to build a 317 mile HSR line for $16B.  CAHSR is a 430 mile line with a $98B price tag.  That's $50M/mile in Brazil vs. $230M/mile in CA.  

That's more than 4X the cost per mile!  What gives?  

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 6, 2012 2:31 PM

oltmannd

Brazil is planning to build a 317 mile HSR line for $16B.  CAHSR is a 430 mile line with a $98B price tag.  That's $50M/mile in Brazil vs. $230M/mile in CA. 

That's more than 4X the cost per mile!  What gives?  

If my memory serves me correctly, I believe the latest numbers for the CHSR Project have been scaled back to $68 billion before financing. Depending on the terms of the financing, it can double the cost of a long term capital project.

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Posted by PNWRMNM on Tuesday, November 6, 2012 2:58 PM

Don,

Brazil is not infested with enviormentailist wackos and their lacky politicians.

Mac

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Posted by Alan F on Tuesday, November 6, 2012 3:00 PM

The CA HSR project price tag is also in year of expenditure dollars. Since it is a several decade long project at this point, that drives up the total projected cost based on a 2 or 3% inflation rate. The CA HSR project also has multiple significant mountain ranges with miles of tunnels that push up the total price tag. I don't know what the terrain issues and likely land acquisition costs are for the Brazil HSR route. $/mile is a rather crude metric to compare HSR projects.

IMO, once the CA HSR project goes through a proper cost engineering phase, the final price tag for the route outside of the San Jose-SF and LA corridor segments will go down.

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Posted by Paul Milenkovic on Thursday, November 8, 2012 10:19 AM

oltmannd

Brazil is planning to build a 317 mile HSR line for $16B.  CAHSR is a 430 mile line with a $98B price tag.  That's $50M/mile in Brazil vs. $230M/mile in CA.  

That's more than 4X the cost per mile!  What gives?  

Land purchase costs?

If GM "killed the electric car", what am I doing standing next to an EV-1, a half a block from the WSOR tracks?

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