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Texas Eagle Route
Posted by Awesome! on Sunday, July 6, 2008 2:10 PM

 

Does the Texas Eagle was supposed to get cancel or delete some stations. Does anyone could confirm.....Sigh [sigh]

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 6, 2008 9:38 PM

I am not sure that I fully understand your question.  As far as I can tell from the May 12th schedule, the Eagle makes all the stops shown in the schedule immediately prior to May 12th. 

There was a rumor that the Eagle would be routed over the Trinity Railway Express (TRE)between Dallas and Fort Worth, but I don't think it has happened. 

Routing the Eagle over the TRE would eliminate some cumbersome backing at Fort Worth and manual switch throwing in Dallas. 

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Posted by Awesome! on Sunday, July 6, 2008 10:36 PM
 Samantha wrote:

I am not sure that I fully understand your question.  As far as I can tell from the May 12th schedule, the Eagle makes all the stops shown in the schedule immediately prior to May 12th. 

There was a rumor that the Eagle would be routed over the Trinity Railway Express (TRE)between Dallas and Fort Worth, but I don't think it has happened. 

Routing the Eagle over the TRE would eliminate some cumbersome backing at Fort Worth and manual switch throwing in Dallas. 

I thought it was going to get cancel...

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 8, 2008 9:03 AM

I have not heard of any plans to cancel the Texas Eagle.  

The number of riders on the Eagle increased 4.9 per cent during the first six months of FY 2008 compared to the same period in 2007.  Passengers booking sleeping car space declined by 8.5 per cent. 

Due to the late running of the southbound train, especially south of Fort Worth, I suspect that the number of riders has declined south of Dallas/Fort Worth, although I don't have any data to support my conclusion, other than several observations of the number of passengers entraining and detraining at Austin and Temple.  

The schedule performance for the Eagle deteriorated significantly during the first six months of 2008.  The train was nearly two hours late, on average, arriving into San Antonio. 

The passenger per mile loss for the Eagle increased to 23.2 cents a mile, up from approximately 19 cents a mile in 2007.  The increase was probably due to increased fuel costs and lower sleeping car revenues, offset in part by higher coach revenues. 

As long as Kay Bailey Hutchison is the senior Senator from Texas, I doubt that Amtrak will attempt to discontinue the Eagle.  She has been a strong supporter of the train.  In addition, the Texas Eagle Marketing and Performance Organization (TEMPO), which consists of a few dedicated supporters of the Eagle, as well as the Heartland Flyer, and is credited with blocking a previous attempt to discontinue the Eagle, would probably fight tooth and nail to keep the train.

According to TEMPO and NARP, discontinuance of the Eagle would result in a discontinuance of the Heartland Flyer.  I have not seen any hard data (number of passengers connecting with the Eagle) to support that theory.      

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Posted by gardendance on Tuesday, July 8, 2008 12:13 PM
 Samantha wrote:

According to TEMPO and NARP, discontinuance of the Eagle would result in a discontinuance of the Heartland Flyer.  I have not seen any hard data (number of passengers connecting with the Eagle) to support that theory.      

maybe they're thinking of expenses that 2 trains now share which just 1 isolated train wouldn't justify? Do they do maintenance in Chicago? I'd assume it's a lot cheaper to tack a Heartland Flyer car onto the Eagle to get it to the mainenance shop than to pay the freight railroad, or set up maintenance in Fort Worth.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 8, 2008 6:27 PM
 gardendance wrote:
 Samantha wrote:

According to TEMPO and NARP, discontinuance of the Eagle would result in a discontinuance of the Heartland Flyer.  I have not seen any hard data (number of passengers connecting with the Eagle) to support that theory.      

maybe they're thinking of expenses that 2 trains now share which just 1 isolated train wouldn't justify? Do they do maintenance in Chicago? I'd assume it's a lot cheaper to tack a Heartland Flyer car onto the Eagle to get it to the mainenance shop than to pay the freight railroad, or set up maintenance in Fort Worth.

Amtrak keeps a spare locomotive and Superliner coach in Fort Worth for the Flyer.  Of course, both could be used on the Eagle in case of an emergency.  I have seen the locomotive used on the Flyer in place of the FP40 cabbage unit, but I have never seen it or the coach used on the Eagle.  One Sunday afternoon I observed Amtrak run the spare locomotive and coach over the TRE to Dallas. This was shortly after I heard that Amtrak was considering re-routing the Eagle over the TRE.

I presume the locomotives and cars are sent to Chicago or Beech Grove for serious maintenance.  Here is a web site for a great tour of Beech Grove:  http://www.trainweb.org/chris/beech.html.  The need to do that, however, does not justify the continuance of the Eagle, which loses more than $25 million a year before other charges.  The locomotives and cars probably could be maintained by the TRE or Trinity Industries.  They are Texas based.  The TRE is in Irving, whilst Trinity Industries has a car shop in Longview.

Before moving to Austin I used to visit the Fort Worth ITC three or four times a week to observe the Flyer and Eagle.  I did not see many people connecting from the Flyer to the Eagle or vice versa.  This suggests to me that the Flyer might be able to stand on its own if the Eagle was discontinued. 

If the Eagle and Sunset Limited were discontinued, some of the equipment could be used to expand passenger rail between Fort Worth and San Antonio, which is the most congested corridor in Texas.

Passengers arriving on the Flyer and going to Dallas were better off taking the Trinity Railway Express (TRE) as opposed to waiting for the late running Eagle.  In fact, Amtrak's schedule hints that the TRE is a better connection.

Interestingly, the Heartland Flyer covered its expenses during FY 2007.    

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