grivers253 wrote:From what I have read in the Chicago Trib, initially, BNSF did allow the Empire Builder to detour over its tracks in Wisconsin, but specifically which line or sub I don't know. Then the detour was suspended due to heavy freight traffic, also detoured using the same line. My guess is that detoured freight traffic has somewhat abated.
THe EB detour route used the tradtional CB&Q route via Savanna & up the Mississipi. THe track between Portage & Wisconsin Dells was closed due to flooding. Lake Delton is across the Wisconsin River at this point. There were some delays for BNSF crews to change in La Crosse. Keep watching for Amtrak or BNSF/CP announcements for the service to be restored.
It appears the ATSF Chief route thru Iowa was the first to be restored, once the MS river went down. However, the station is still closed. (BNSF raised the rail bed to get service running).
BTW the Mid continent Railway museum suffered extensive damage in the flood. Rail fans may want to send them a contribuition to keep operating. Go to their website for details.
Do you know what route the detour is taking? Why now and why not before Sat?
You never did say where you were boarding the train...if it's in Chicago, I hope the water has gone down by then, since right now the Builder isn't operating between Chicago and St.Paul.
Wonder how the food service is on Greyhound??
I was just on the Builder last week, and I found the food to be pretty good...
My first night out of Chicago I had a nice salmon steak in a white sauce with saffron rice and vegetables - surprisingly delicious. I'd avoid the flatiron steak though, unless you're pretty undescriminating with your beef.
Keep in mind that your diner meals are free (minus any alcohol you order) since you've got a room. And they had us set up with free cookies to snack on.... apple and orange juice... free coffee... etc etc mid-car in the sleepers. I did bring my own snacks (a quick trip to a Trader Joe's in LaGrange did the trick)... and I didn't have to hit the cafe car even once between Chicago and Glacier.
The Portland leg gets the better deal in my opinion... sure the Seattle train gets the diner, but the lounge car just has such better views, I don't feel that the drop in food quality was bad enough to make up for the better view of the glorious scenery going along the Columbia. Get down to the lounge right when the cafe opens at 6am, grab a bowl of Frosted Flakes or a cinnamon roll... and then grab yourself a seat in the lounge, and I think you'll be pretty happy all morning. I sure was! :D
A couple of suggestions after taking my family west on the Empire Builder last summer:
Have fun! Tom
Bruce Kelly wrote:The dining car normally stays with train 7 and 8 between Spokane and Seattle. Trains 27 and 28 between Spokane and Portland get the snack/lounge car, but it's been known to run out of most items by the time it gets west of Spokane. We always bring a backpack full of food and drinks just in case (cheaper anyway). Dining car meals are generally good.
The Lounge car does go to Portland and so breakfast on that leg of the journey is limited to "something wrapped in plastic" if they haven't run out by then. And by "wrapped in plastic" I mean this is truck stop level stuff. It is possible to run a microwave kitchen and still have pretty decent food, but Amtrak just isn't interested and perhaps more to the point, it seems to go out of its way to make it clear that it isn't interested.
The scenery on that leg of the trip is spectacular, extraordinary, and it is really a shame that a passenger can't get even a minimal decent breakfast to eat while enjoying the ride.
The Dining Car into Seattle is "OK". Westbound, this is a staff that is entering its third day on the rails, and the "bloom is off the rose" so to speak. The breakfast menu is fairly generic for a decent cafe and, by that point in the journey, there are usually one or two items that are "not available". But, it's usually pretty good food. Coming down off of Steven's Pass is a very scenic, rural experience. On my last trip through, somebody must have left a window open somewhere up front as the heavy diesel exhaust that fills the Cascade Tunnel got into the passenger cars and lingered, unpleasantly, nearly to Everett. That was unusual, though.
On the Eastbound out of Seattle, the dinner menu is likewise fairly generic. Sometimes I have been pleasantly surprised, other times disappointed. The consistency of service is more variable there than at any restaurant I know of.
My first railroad dining car experience was over fifty years ago. Compared to those experiences, my impression is, and continues to be with each experience, that Amtrak is providing a minimal service to a captive audience. Sometimes I get a real good meal and the staff is really first class. Other times, my experience is, well, different. Overall, Amtrak gets a "C" in large part to the idea that it holds a unique franchise and yet seems uninterested in exploiting it. As a businessman, I sit there and look at their relatively fixed costs of operation, and opportunity after opportunity to increase revenue remaining latent. A wine-tasting once in a while, but overall, nothing that is bottom-line quality.
nanaimo73 wrote: wjstix wrote: You can buy snacks onboard, I thought when I took it a few years ago that the food in the diner was very good. From what I understand, the Builder is supposed to be one of the best Amtrak lines re food service; I read that they're like the last Amtrak train to prepare the food themselves on the train, rather than just warming up pre-packaged meals??Would there be just one Diner on the train, which would not run between Portland and Spokane?
wjstix wrote: You can buy snacks onboard, I thought when I took it a few years ago that the food in the diner was very good. From what I understand, the Builder is supposed to be one of the best Amtrak lines re food service; I read that they're like the last Amtrak train to prepare the food themselves on the train, rather than just warming up pre-packaged meals??
You can buy snacks onboard, I thought when I took it a few years ago that the food in the diner was very good. From what I understand, the Builder is supposed to be one of the best Amtrak lines re food service; I read that they're like the last Amtrak train to prepare the food themselves on the train, rather than just warming up pre-packaged meals??
Would there be just one Diner on the train, which would not run between Portland and Spokane?
On the Westbound Empire Builder, this isn't really a significant difference. The split at Spokane happens in the wee hours of the morning (I slept right through it), and both sections arrive at their destinations by mid morning, so the only meal after the split is breakfast. As it was set up three years ago when I travelled, the Diner went to Seattle and the Cafe-Lounge went to Portland to provide the meals on their section of the trip. My travel was shortly after they refurbished the equipment and it seemed like Amtrak wanted to make it a stand-out train.
Here is part of a report that I sent to Amtrak after having taken the Texas Eagle to Milwaukee and the Empire Builder to Portland. I have added some comments.
I stayed overnight in Milwaukee, as opposed to Chicago, because it was significantly cheaper. Also, much to my surprise, Milwaukee turned out to be delightful. It has an excellent mall as well as several museums and good restaurants near the refurbished Amtrak station. It was cold while I was there, but it was not a major problem. It should be very pleasant during the summer.
"On December 2nd and 3rd I took Train # 21, The Texas Eagle, from Dallas to Chicago and Train # 339 to Milwaukee. On December 4th I took Train # 7, The Empire Builder, from Milwaukee to Portland. I was in Roomette # 6 in Car 2220 on the Eagle and Roomette # 3 in Car 2730 on the Builder. I had a coach seat on # 339.
The Eagle was terminated in St. Louis because of an ice storm. No problem! Having grown up in Altoona, Pennsylvania, which was a major railroad center, I understand how nasty winter weather can disrupt railroad operations. We were placed on a comfortable bus and driven from St. Louis to Chicago. As it turned out, I sat next to a man who grew up about 15 miles from Altoona. And like me he is a graduate of Penn State. So we had a nice chat.
My accommodations on both trains were clean, stocked properly, and comfortable. The train personnel were great. The Eagle conductor told us why the train was delayed getting into St. Louis (the ice storm had knocked out the UP's signals) and, ultimately, that it would terminate there.
The car attendants on 2220 and 2730 were pleasant and helpful. I had heaps of questions for the attendant on 2730. He cheerfully answered all of them. His demeanor was great; he made the trip more enjoyable. If Amtrak still had a Chief of on Board Services, I would nominate him for the position.
On the afternoon of December 5th first class passengers on the Builder were treated to a wine and cheese tasting event in the dinning car. It was very nice. And I liked the contest amongst the passengers. I knew the start-up date for Amtrak. As a result I won a bottle of wine."
The meals were good on the Empire Builder. They were so so on the Eagle. The train has a fully staffed lounge car that is open most of the day and evening. It serves a variety of snacks and beverages. Lunch and dinner in the dining car are by reservation. Breakfast is first come first served.
I always take plenty of reading material when traveling by train. During the day there is ample opportunity to visit with people in the lounge car and watch the scenery go by. But at night it is nice to have a good book to get into.
One of the best aspects of the trip was the run along the Columbia River. The scenery is awesome. But I also enjoyed seeing the northern plains in winter dress.
Portland is one of the nicest cities in the United States. The city leaders did not allow the downtown area to go to pot as has been the case in so many U.S. cities. It has a downtown mall that is as good as any that I have ever seen. It also numerous restaurants and lounges downtown. Getting downtown, as well as around town, is easy. Portland has one of the best public transport systems in the country. On Saturdays, if I remember correctly, they run historic streetcars on part of the light rail system.
Lastly, Portland is considered by many cyclists to be the best cycling city in the U.S. It has numerous bicycle shops. If you're a cyclist, renting a bicycle should be no problem if you plan ahead.
Have a nice trip.
BTW where are you boarding the train??
We are taking the Empire Builder at the end of July to Portland, booked a roomette for the trip. Any comments as to what to expect on the trip, or suggestions as to what to bring (i.e., good books, board games, snacks, etc.)?
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