Thanks, Overmod, for the up-to-date and accurate information!
CSSHEGEWISCHSince most toll bridges and tunnels are operated by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, I would assume that PATH is the recipient of any subsidy.
He probably lives in Illinois.
There are many toll crossings in the New York area that do not involve passing between New York and New Jersey. The old Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority (remember the infamous Robert Moses?) is now rolled into MTA Bridges and Tunnels ... does that MTA ring a bell, Chicagoans? ... which handles those crossings. Here is one listing of current tolls, which also shows which bridges and tunnels are involved:
http://web.mta.info/bandt/traffic/btmain.html
Mr. Klepper's Brooklyn-Battery tunnel has been politically renamed for Hugh Carey.
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CMStPnP The Mayflower is the ship that landed in Plymouth and primarily it's crew and passengers were British and English speaking (Thank God.....as you can guess where the current immigration debate would be if they primarily spoke Spanish).
Hmmmm. Nope. I can't guess where the current immigration debate would be if they spoke Spanish. Nor can I imagine why I should thank God for that.
Would you care to elaborate?
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He is probably unaware that a major debate took place in the Continental Congress regarding the choice of English or German as the national language.
Some tolls are collected by the City and not the PA. Possibly the Brooklyn - Battery Tunnel?
CMStPnPThe Mayflower is the ship that landed in Plymouth and primarily it's crew and passengers were British and English speaking (Thank God.....as you can guess where the current immigration debate would be if they primarily spoke Spanish).
aegrotatio Something like 85% of bridges and tunnel tolls in New York City pay for mass transit and most of it goes to the Subway.
Something like 85% of bridges and tunnel tolls in New York City pay for mass transit and most of it goes to the Subway.
Since most toll bridges and tunnels are operated by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, I would assume that PATH is the recipient of any subsidy.
Shortly after Columbus, the Spanish and possibly the Portuguese were in Florida, about 100 years before Jamestown or Plymouth.
BaltACDColumbus in 1492 is still considered when the 'New World' was found.
It's a common mistake. Columbus discovered Haiti and the Bahamas but not what is now the United States. Columbus led an expedition whose intent was to circumnavigate the globe he ran into problems. One of his three ships had to be scuttled and the other two sailed back to Spain with their original crews. That was his first 1492 expedition.
The Mayflower is the ship that landed in Plymouth and primarily it's crew and passengers were British and English speaking (Thank God.....as you can guess where the current immigration debate would be if they primarily spoke Spanish).
Anyhoo, most of America's first settlers were indentured servants from primarily White European families because that was the only way they could afford to pay for passage. Socially what happened is the indentured servitude contracts became more and more expensive and thats how we got into the slave trade with Africans. They were cheaper and their costs could be more easily controlled via an almost unlimited supply and most favorably they did not have contracts which stipulated a fixed date on when the debt would be paid in full and they would be set free.
samfp1943In Kansas there are 105 Counties, and 321 school Districts.
Ohio has 88 counties and 569 school districts. So?
Each state in the USA has their own plan on how to short education of proper funding.
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CandOforprogress2 http://www.post-gazette.com/news/transportation/2018/07/27/Pennsylvania-Turnpike-truckers-lawsuit-PennDOT-Port-Authority-transit-payment/stories/201807260203
http://www.post-gazette.com/news/transportation/2018/07/27/Pennsylvania-Turnpike-truckers-lawsuit-PennDOT-Port-Authority-transit-payment/stories/201807260203
Easy. Just say all truck tolls go to cover the roadway's costs and that passenger vehicle tolls cover the difference and are used for transit.
"No dollars collected from trucks go to transit". Done.
-Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/)
Decades ago they built a toll expressway between Denver and Boulder, but as soon as construction was paid for, the toll boths came down. Denver has since built more toll-ways, but they don't seem so quick to forgo the income this time.
alphas wrote the following[in part]: "...One solution that has been floated would be to sell the PA Turnpike to a private operator for billions--then put the money in the pension funds to go a long way towards bailing them out. The Turnpike unions don't want that and the rest of the state employee unions don't want it either as that could start a trend. So it hasn't gone anywhere..."
THis seems to ba a major issue in the political thinking process, whereever there is a STATE OPERATED Toll road. In many states the state employee pension funds have failed to keep up with the outgoing expenses/pensions.[ Too many employees, and too many 'extra benefits' given out of the Systems Funding(?). The Too Authorities, seem to be able to build up large sums from the Toll collected; either not enough scheduled major maintenance projects(?). Or is it an issue of just running the tools[in perpituity(?)] I think that Kentucky has been the only state to drop toll collections when they had reached the point of paying out their bonded indebtedness. The others just seem to keep on going on, bureucracies being what they are?
They'll find another project to breathe more life into their Toll Systems, and acrue more debt. Illinois, seems to do that(?). Kansas seems to be constantly fighting that political battle, as the State Supreme court keeps upping the demands for more money, for the the State Public School, systems. In Kansas there are 105 Counties, and 321 school Districts.
It's always fascinating to watch how conversations evolve.
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Official propaganda so the Italians could have their own named holiday.
I suppose you consider the ensuing century of Spanish 'colonization' activity representative of the best American traditions? Although some of the effects, like the remnants of de Soto's expedition bringing disease to wipe out native cultures in the Mississippi valley, likely did assist the "frontiersmen" in expanding to the West...
isn't it interesting. RRs taxed for decades to subsudize the roads but let the tables turn ?
BaltACD PJS1 The fourth was the Sangria. It was the party boat, but the friars that accompanied Chris did not want that known. And of course they created the wine of the same name!
And of course they created the wine of the same name!
Of course. It was a slow boat; they did not have anything else to do. That's the reason they had stocked it with so many pounds of grapes.
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PJS1 The fourth was the Sangria. It was the party boat, but the friars that accompanied Chris did not want that known.
BaltACD Backshop Sorry, it happened just around 400 years ago, not 500. Columbus in 1492 is still considered when the 'New World' was found.
Columbus in 1492 is still considered when the 'New World' was found.
By Europeans! Well, not exactly. It appears, at least this seems to be the consensus of many scholars, the Vikings established settlements in Newfoundland around 1000 CE. Remnants of their settlements were found in 1960. They did not, however, put down permanent roots.
Although scholars differ on the dates, many if not most seem to agree that the first humans arrived in North America about 12,000 to 13,500 years ago. Chris was a bit of late comer.
Another little know fact is that Columbus had four ships on his first voyage to the new world, although he only gets credit for three: Of course, we all remember the Nina, Pinta, and Santa Maria. The fourth was the Sangria. It was the party boat, but the friars that accompanied Chris did not want that known.
Backshop Sorry, it happened just around 400 years ago, not 500.
You were referring to American spirit. Columbus in 1492 had nothing to do with that. And you might want to brush up on your math skills as well as history.
BackshopSorry, it happened just around 400 years ago, not 500.
Sorry, it happened just around 400 years ago, not 500.
charlie hebdo BaltACD for over 500 years the American spirt has driven to the beat of better, faster, bigger, cheaper and whatever it takes to pull it off. What are you referring to? The first British colony in what later became the United States was Jamestown in 1607, followed by Plymouth in 1620. The Dutch started their first colony in the Albany, NY area in 1615. The Swedes started a settlement in present-day Delaware in 1635. The French started a colony up in Nova Scotia in 1605 and the Spanish founded St. Augustine in FL in 1565.
BaltACD for over 500 years the American spirt has driven to the beat of better, faster, bigger, cheaper and whatever it takes to pull it off.
What are you referring to? The first British colony in what later became the United States was Jamestown in 1607, followed by Plymouth in 1620. The Dutch started their first colony in the Albany, NY area in 1615. The Swedes started a settlement in present-day Delaware in 1635. The French started a colony up in Nova Scotia in 1605 and the Spanish founded St. Augustine in FL in 1565.
All of which happend over 500 years ago - ever since we have pushed West to explore and tame the continent we inhabit. Better, Faster, Bigger, Cheaper and so it goes - improvement after improvement. Good Enough is not the American Spirit - if it is good for now, we will make it better tomorrow. NIMBY's and BANANA's be damed.
PJS1Does this mean that the state - government - will subsidize the fares for lower income riders or in the extreme pay the whole fare for people who don't have the money?
First of all it means there has to be some kind of public transportation.
The local public transport of a number of communities is often bundled in regional transport systems. These are subsidized by government and offer lower rates (social tickets) for people who are registered for becoming e.g. unemployment assistance or sozial welfare.
For those needing to cross the borders of regional transport system the states, e.g. Northrhein-Westfalia (NRW), offer subsidized state-wide valid subsidized tickets for the same group of persons. NRW has an area of 13,300 sq mi and roughly 150 miles in north-south and east-west directions. Other states offer the same.
Not only the social tickets are subsidized, the whole local public transport is subsidized. The City of Hamburg pays its regional public transport system (HVV) about $250 million per year. It serves about 3.5 million people.
For cross state border traffic Deutsche Bahn is responsible. They don't offer a subsidized ticket. Their argument is that they offer low fares when you can plan three weeks in advance. A limited number of tickets for each train then costs only about $36.00 even on the longest possible route within Germany.Regards, Volker
VOLKER LANDWEHR Another factor was that public transportation is a basic right established in the German constitution. Regards, Volker
Regards, Volker
Does this mean that the state - government - will subsidize the fares for lower income riders or in the extreme pay the whole fare for people who don't have the money?
I enjoy your perspectives. Your views along with those from our Australian and Canadian participants add great value to the discussions.
BaltACD Europe invested in its railroad network as the most economic means of jump starting and sustaining an economy after the war.
At the end of WWII surprisingly only 4,000 out of 31,000 miles were completely destroyed. Most of the balance was damaged but quite easily repaired.
If statistics are right, in 1939 one of 20 people had a car, in 1950 this was about one out of 50 up from about less than one out of 100 in 1947.
Rebuilding the rail network was not only the most economical way but the only way to get a functioning transportation system fast. But most repairs were fast, cheap fixes which later needed reworking to get it to a modern standards.
Another factor was that public transportation is a basic right established in the German constitution.Regards, Volker
The American spirit ever since the founding of Plymouth and Jamestown colonies has been about upsetting the stats quo. What we have for today is not good enough for tomorrow - for over 500 years the American spirt has driven to the beat of better, faster, bigger, cheaper and whatever it takes to pull it off.
Europeans by the boat and plane load have found out that the USA is a much bigger country than they ever realized while living in Europe. The distance between metropolitan centers is a further distance than they had become accustomed to in Europe.
The USA built its own culture by incorporating what was percieved to be the best elements of the immigrent populations that sought to find a new start in a new land where their own success or failure could be in their own hands.
The large cities in the USA's colonial period and later were not built around midevil castles and the social and building structures that supported it, thus they had a more open opportunity to build wider streets with fewer impedements to both horse drawn and later internal combustion powered vehicle.
After WW II with most of Western Europe having been devastated by the war and virtually every human need being is short supply, Europe invested in its railroad network as the most economic means of jump starting and sustaining an economy after the war. The US had no such devastation to recover from, just a worn out railroad system that had much maintenance deferred on it during the war to support the war effort.
After the war, the returning veterens had much of their accumulated earnings from almost 5 years of war to spend on marriage, homes and cars and being a political force to improve their homes and the roads the cars operated on.
Europe and their aims were very different from the aims of the US after the war.
CricketerMaybe cheap driving was the cause of the collapse of the American passenger network.
There is a difference here. Making driving cheap had the effect of making 'business-as-ordinary' rail service look inadequate in comparison, just as it did so thoroughly for interurbans and streetcars a couple of decades earlier. But there were many other synergistic advantages to better cars on better roads... and, although it galls me, to a nationwide infrastructure of cheaper and better parts, supplies, and fuel that would eventually employ one out of every six people in the United States in a reasonably Depression-proof set of interrelated industries.
The issue here is whether artificially making driving more expensive, with 'punitive' levels of taxation or high tolls, mandatory insurance, the whole world of 'causing pain to CDL people', etc. is the right answer to assuring a stable 'national network' of decent, let alone exceptional, rail passenger service. I would suggest that almost no amount of negative incentive any democratic electorate would stand would actually suffice to bring this about, either in terms of the necessary (probably subsidized) infrastructure or the arrangements needed to run it effectively.
And then there is the inherent nature of taxation as having the same moral and financial effect as a tariff. Interesting how many of the folks disliking tariffs support diverting things like Highway Trust Fund money to alternative transportation "because it needs it".
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