Harold Cox (still alive, I hope) offered this find book as a free download about 18 years ago, and I took advangage of it. Now I find it missing, and I believe I may a have a definite need for it. I find the book for sale at various venders with blogs, but I do not find any downloading. Anyone have it who is willing to share? Any suggestions other than sending one of the second-hand vendors a check?
This site has a link to view "The Birney Car" on-line. Is it the book you are looking for. Link is in the middle of the list of books.
http://www.trainweb.org/elso/ttc-ref.htm
I tried to sell my two cents worth, but no one would give me a plug nickel for it.
I don't have a leg to stand on.
THANKS!!!!!
Found an error:
Birneys operated on the Conner Street line through WWII. Car 2350 ran under its own power from the James Street carhouse to the Branford Electric Railway museum trackage in the summer of 1947.
Here is a photo of 2350 at the Museum from the website:
Please post any of your pictures of Birney that lasted long enough for you to photograph them. Thanks.
While I didn't take photos, I did ride the Ft. Collins Birney Car which is still running.
http://www.fortcollinstrolley.org/history.html
As downloaded from the website given, which involves everything and anything related to Toronto transit, the Contents page lacks page numbers. Whether this meant that Harold Cox never really completed the book, or this is a peculiarity of the particular website is a question. For my own use, I added the page numbers and wish to share:
Frank Buttes Lester Brander Thomas Dworman George Yater Barney Neuberger H. B. Olsen Barker Gummere Stephen D. Maguire Allan H. Berner Luther Cummings Jr. New York Chapter, NRHS Leonard Y. Tripp Loris Bass Richard L. Wonson E. R. Mohr Lewis H. Hoy Edward Watson Paul Stringham Otto Goessl Harry S. Lee Charles Smallwood LeRoy O. King, Jr. St. Louis Car Company Electric Railway Journal Tom Gray Bert Ward Alvin W. Hudson David M. Buechler J. Seletto A. C. Bellamy Graham C. Stewart D. L. Stearns J. T. Labbe E. Harper Charlton Herb Woods James P. Shuman Frted W. Schneider III
For my own use, I added the page numbers and wish to share:
This is very useful, as it carries over the direct live links to the book pages. I think it should be "stickied" somewhere appropriate, perhaps here in the Transit forum.
Thanks!
And for Fort Collins Birneys:
And one of the three cars, this from San Diego to Sacramento Northern, that closed out the Chico local service in December 1947. Now at Western Railway Museum www.wrm.org:
Since the posted contents page works well as a URL, why not keep this thread active by finding and posting Birney Car color pictures?
I'll try and do my part. Hope to post Halifax soon, just need the wideband connection. Possibly Sunday.
Today, on my computer at least, with a narrow-band server, the contents page seems to have been hacked. If this appears to be true when I use wideband, I think I can do the required repair.
Contents page OK on wideband server, and as here is a Halifax Birney:
Is that the real color of the pavement?
Here the current heritage operation in Fort Collins:
and regular service:
David, somehow I doubt in that Halifax shot the pavement is that reddish color. What we're seeing could be due to color shift in an old slide depending on the quality of the film used. It looks like red clay or even brick dust which I doubt Halifax used for paving material, those Halifax winters would have destroyed it in no time at all.
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Nice job David! I'm sure that grey pavement is closer to the mark than the red in the original photo.
The Bezek server is giving me problems in trying to edit the previous post. Because of a specific health problem, I have not been able to take my laptop to the University yesterday or today. When I can do so, possibly tomorrow, Tuesday, I will edit the previous post, and any other posting of mine that requires editing, post the picture of the San Antonia Birney, and probably some other pix as well.
Am able to edit today, found the pix had been posted but just did not show up with the narrow-band server. And here is a still improved photo of the Halifax Birney, with a comment to follow:
From Wikapedia: Historically, the Halifax Peninsula had an extensive streetcar transit system dating to the late 1800s. Operated by various private companies including the "Halifax Street Railway Co.", the "Nova Scotia Power Co." (not the same company as the present electric utility), the "Halifax Electric Tramway Co.", the "Nova Scotia Tramways and Power Co.", and the " Nova Scotia Light and Power Company, Limited", the streetcar system was abandoned by NSL&P on March 26, 1949. Streetcars were replaced by an electric trolley coach system, however, the last electric trolley coaches were replaced by conventional diesel buses on January 1, 1970 operated by the Halifax Transit Corporation. Halifax became an all-Birney operation. See page 92.
Again, I urge others to post Birney pictures.
Levis County Tramway.......Quebec. Levis is across the St. Lawrence from Quebec City
A Little boy looking at car 83 and another car at CNR station. 8/1944 Sprague Library/Joseph Testagrose Collection
I have some doubts that car 83 was in revenue passenger-carrying service in Levis in August 1944. The date may be the date the photo was printed, or 83 had special duties.
But thanks for the photo, and it is interesting to see what Birneys may have replaced. Even though Levis converted to bus in 1947, it had bought three Birneys from Montreal in 1945!
Do not know anything specific about Levis car #83 but here is the 3 picture set from the "collection"
Levis County Railway
Levis, Quebec
Levis Tramways 49. Sprague Library/Joseph Testagrose Collection
Little boy looking at car 83 and another car at CNR station. 8/1944 Sprague Library/Joseph Testagrose Collection
Car 102 on Haute Ville. 5/26/1946 Anthony Clegg/Joseph Testagrose Collection
Particularly greatful for the picture of 102. This may have originally been built for left-hand operation and remodeled for right-hand.
A Fort Smith, AK, Birney can be viewed at the website of the Fort Smith Trolley Musuem. When I try to post the picture, it dissapears.
From Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Smith_Trolley_Museum
From their Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/FortSmithTrolleyMuseum/
Great. Thanks for posting
The last passenger operatoin of Birneys in New York City, which at one time did have them providing sevice on lighter lines in Brooklyn and The Bronx, was on Steinway Lines in Queens, Birneys leased from Third Avenue Railways were used, painted in TARS cram-yellow and red, but labeled Steinway Lines.
Anyone wishing to have a pdf of the complete book can email me at
daveklepper@yahoo.com
And I will attach the pdf to my reply. Of course no charge.
I will be fulfilling Harod Cox's wishes in doing this.
Charlie Hebo: WAs simiply trying to prove how train travel made possible better service for my clients because of the ability to carry sensitive equipment with me instead of having to check it (or buy a second seat for the equipment?).
This was supposed to be on the General Forum on the Billy Graham thread. How it came to migrate to this threade is a very good question. What was supposed to be here is an invitation to anyone who wants the pdf versioni of the Cox Birney book that I preapred with the pages on this thread, just email me at daveklepper@yahoo.com, and the pdf will be sent as an attachment to the return. Of course no charge. I am sure this is what Harold Cox wanted, because he made all pages available for free on the internet.
And it seems as if the rest of the thread has now been removed?
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