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METRA RFP cars and locos

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Posted by CMStPnP on Monday, June 5, 2017 7:09 AM

Yup, Metra is up the creek due to state budget and finance issues.   I'm not sure why they are going to state in the first place since the "R" in METRA was supposed to mean "Regional" funding, taxation and support for the system.     Something a little askew there with system financing, in my view but hell I don't live in the state so what do I care?     Perhaps they fear a local tax rebellion.

Anyhow, I would agree the average age of their equipment is getting fairly old but that 28 years old on average still leaves them some margin for future replacement.........that's not really old as far as railway equipment goes.

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Posted by D.Carleton on Sunday, June 4, 2017 5:32 PM

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It's all going to be low bid anyway!

Speaking of which, look for CRRC to underbid the 25 car contract to get their foot in the door. Having a plant in Chicago already is a plus.

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Posted by Buslist on Sunday, June 4, 2017 5:03 PM

It's all going to be low bid anyway!

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Posted by D.Carleton on Sunday, June 4, 2017 3:27 PM

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While Metra has always been an EMD shop (almost entirely 645 models except for the three 710-powered F59PHs), won't any new locomotive have to be Tier 4 compliant?

As far as the cars, I'm sure the spec will be written so that they will be clones of the last order.

The current Metra fleet is so "dated" there is no commonality with anything coming off the erection floors these days. Of all the new passenger locomotives over the last few years only the HSP46 has a meduim-speed engine. The locos from EMD, Siemens and Brookville use high-speed diesels requiring high-speed alernators. No one except Brookville offers DC traction and that was to one customer. On the other hand Siemens has set up "shop" in Chicago for the state owned locomotives so they already have a foot in the door.

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Posted by Buslist on Friday, June 2, 2017 2:59 PM

kevink

While Metra has always been an EMD shop (almost entirely 645 models except for the three 710-powered F59PHs), won't any new locomotive have to be Tier 4 compliant?

As far as the cars, I'm sure the spec will be written so that they will be clones of the last order. 

 

 

 

Tier 4 will probably require a new generation of engine, but the alternator and traction motor similarity to previous locomotives/inventory will be a strong reason to prefer EMD.

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Posted by NorthWest on Friday, June 2, 2017 1:44 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if they picked up some F59PHIs from the West Coast once the Chargers enter service.

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Posted by kevink on Friday, June 2, 2017 1:08 PM

While Metra has always been an EMD shop (almost entirely 645 models except for the three 710-powered F59PHs), won't any new locomotive have to be Tier 4 compliant?

As far as the cars, I'm sure the spec will be written so that they will be clones of the last order. 

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Friday, June 2, 2017 6:36 AM

There are various funding issues involved which currently preclude larger locomotive and car orders.  The small car order proposal is all that can be currently managed and may also serve as a placeholder should funding for larger orders become available.

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Posted by Buslist on Friday, June 2, 2017 2:17 AM

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Old news but

Metra putting out a request for proposals for

1.  Locos -  Wonder if this will be another win for Siemens.  It certainly would seem they have an inside track.  Siemens might even be able to deliver early ?

2.  cars -  Seems to be a very small order for as end of life most of their cars are nearing.  25 + some additional

3.  Big kicker at end of article.  METRA has settled with N-S  (Nippon)  to cancel an option to have N-S build some 21 passenger cars by delivering just 7.  N-S's problems seem to just keep building ? 

 

https://metrarail.com/about-metra/newsroom/metra-seek-proposals-new-cars-engines

 

 

1. Doubt Siemens has an inside track on locomotives as METRA is and always has been an EMD shop. Siemens locos would require new parts inventory and training. But it will be low bid anyway.

 

3. Not sure that last item is such a problem for NS. Let's see they give METRA 7 cars (add on to the VRE build) to liquidate issues related to the electric cars and buy out the option for 21 cars at very  low prices. Probably a win win on both sides.

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METRA RFP cars and locos
Posted by blue streak 1 on Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:07 PM

Old news but

Metra putting out a request for proposals for

1.  Locos -  Wonder if this will be another win for Siemens.  It certainly would seem they have an inside track.  Siemens might even be able to deliver early ?

2.  cars -  Seems to be a very small order for as end of life most of their cars are nearing.  25 + some additional

3.  Big kicker at end of article.  METRA has settled with N-S  (Nippon)  to cancel an option to have N-S build some 21 passenger cars by delivering just 7.  N-S's problems seem to just keep building ? 

 

https://metrarail.com/about-metra/newsroom/metra-seek-proposals-new-cars-engines

 

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