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The Route of the Broadway Lion The Largest Subway Layout in North Dakota.
Here there be cats. LIONS with CAMERAS
Looks lonely. Where are all the the passengers? Rarely does one see an empty car in service in NYC
Probably because it is a museum car in the New York Transit Museum.
Welcome back Lion, and hopefully there is more!
Nah, that's one of the interiors in one of Brother Lion's HO subway cars!
Helluva modeler, isn't he?
Firelock76Nah, that's one of the interiors in one of Brother Lion's HO subway cars!
If thats HO, the lion is making his likeness by microscope. I think the museum suggestion is correct.
LION is sitting by the window on the left. I'm also going to guess that this car was assigned to the IRT, which had a narrower clearance diagram.
CSSHEGEWISCH LION is sitting by the window on the left. I'm also going to guess that this car was assigned to the IRT, which had a narrower clearance diagram.
Correct you is. The R-12 has the same roof line as its IND cousin the R-10.
The R-11 was different. It was designed for the SECOND AVENUE SUBWAY as it was planned for an early 1950s opening.
Ow well, 70 years too late, what is the big deal.
OMG someone forgot to neuter or spay their pets.
What a fantastic interior in that subway car! Is that one of the Transit Museum's First World War vintage cars?
Indeed Firelock it does appear to be an early car, probably one of their restored gate cars. They date from before WWI. And of course (along with the R7A above) they were from the era when 'cloth seating' was not synonymous with 'vandal target'.
They didn't worry too much about vandalism back in those days, especially since all the cops had nightsticks and weren't afraid to use them on malcontents.
Love that old car though, has kind of a "Jules Verne-ish" look to it, doesn't it?
NorthWest Indeed Firelock it does appear to be an early car, probably one of their restored gate cars. They date from before WWI. And of course (along with the R7A above) they were from the era when 'cloth seating' was not synonymous with 'vandal target'.
Gate cars were wooden cars, and thus never ran underground. But then, the BMT did have lots of above ground lines back in those days. It was a BMT car since IRT cars only had tranverse seating. (Not so sure about the El lines in Manhattan).
IRT cars (Hi-V and Lo-V) had metal loops for standees, not these leather straps.
Some of the old El cars did find their way onto the BMT and lived out their days on the Myrtle Line.
This car is definetly a Gate Car and was on a Museum Trip through Brooklyn.
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BroadwayLion NorthWest Indeed Firelock it does appear to be an early car, probably one of their restored gate cars. They date from before WWI. And of course (along with the R7A above) they were from the era when 'cloth seating' was not synonymous with 'vandal target'. Gate cars were wooden cars, and thus never ran underground. But then, the BMT did have lots of above ground lines back in those days. It was a BMT car since IRT cars only had tranverse seating. (Not so sure about the El lines in Manhattan). IRT cars (Hi-V and Lo-V) had metal loops for standees, not these leather straps. Some of the old El cars did find their way onto the BMT and lived out their days on the Myrtle Line. This car is definetly a Gate Car and was on a Museum Trip through Brooklyn. ROAR
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y9Bcgg8nhyg
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?80394
I can remember when I was growing up in the city the only cars left with transverse seating were the BMT standards on the Canarsie line. All the rest had fibreglass longitudinal seating. It was not til the R-44's that transverse seating reappeared on the subway.
I do have to look at other sources as I have found on occasion my memory has failed me.
Nice to see the Lion back in these pages
We are looking west from Brooklyn's now D-train, was B, Ninth Avenue Station, possibly fromt the days when the M from Metroplitan Avenue ran through the Nassau cut (from Manhattan to the BMT tunnel in use), now out of service, and reversed on Ninth Avenue's center track.
The Lion appears to be at the end just before the back of the signal of the fence to the left of the center track.
The ramps with tracks going up lead to the 39th Street yard. The ramps going down are for the old Culver Line and their tracks end at the east end of the station, with the abandonement of both South Brooklyn railroad surface tracks and Culver elevated tracks between Ninth Avenue and Ditmas and MacDonald Avenues, where the F runs. The ramps in the distance going up, wihtout tracks, were for the Culver elevated trains,, and were out of service after the June 1940 Unification, and led to the Fifth Avenue Elevated to downtown Brooklyn and the Brooklyn Bridge. Current service at Ninth Avenue is only the D.
Gate cars ran underground at 9th Avenue Station, and in the Center Street - Nassau subway between the Manhattan portal of the Williamsburg Bridge and Chamber Street until there were enough "steels" to handle the entire Jamaica Broadway elevated ervice. The last were the 1300-series composite convertables, which were mosly steel, but sill had open platforms and gates and elevated car geometry, and were last used on the Myrtle Avenue elevated.
Nearly all BMT equipment, subway and elelvated, had some transverse seating. There were some center-door-equipped wood gate trailers that were bowling aliys, the only exceptions.
The remaining R-46's are the last NYCity subway cars with some transverse seating. These are the remaining 75-foot cars, longest train eight cars. All the newer equipment on the B Division are 60-foot cars, with ten-car trains, all bowling allys.
Your terrific model railroad with the Lion attop the columns at the near end of the right platform.
Well, your Stillwell Avenue, Coney Island station is getting there. Still some more detials to added, but worth seeing now anyway.
And I remember the old station, with the tracks on the left occupied by gate cars instead of steels during rush hours, and a Peter Witt double-end streetcar loading on the street instead of buses.
The best thing about Stillwell Avenue is that Nathan's is only a block or two away. Nathan's still has a thing or two to learn about making excellent hot dogs, though.
A nice representation of the South Ferry station. I was impressed by the skill of the motormen who worked this line, they had no room for error in spotting their train to line up with the gap fillers.
But their french-fries were (still are?) terrific.
In Israel they go by the British name, "chips." And those at my Yeshiva's dining room are as good as Nathan's.
Our cook can also provide a decent Pizza! But no lox and bagels and cream-cheese. Sepharidim around the Med say its against custom to mix cheese and fish. Never heard that from anyone in New York, but only here in Israel. So I miss lox and bagels and cream-cheese.
daveklepperSephardim around the Med say it's against custom to mix cheese and fish.
Maybe so, but probably not against kashrut. Where do those guys get their authority? Fish is supposed to be pareve- there are communities where fish and meat aren't eaten together (or at least off the same plate, and without washing the mouth out between) but why would there be any where meat and cheese wouldn't be?
Karo said there might be reason not to mix fish and milk, but that doesn't apply (according to any Talmudic reference known to me) when the milk is made into CREAM cheese. (Rennet to make hard cheese may have come from an indeterminate source... but that would be a hard prohibition, not a mix-n-match issue.) Additionally, in case there are any bean-counting Sephardim out there, I believe no one has proscribed fish and butter, so it's not the 'milk origin' or prospective 'milk content' that is a concern.
I'll reserve judgment until one of your folks provides the full chain of authority for their belief, complete with opinions and Talmudic source. But I don't think they're going to be able to justify it, and without that it's more a superstition than an attempt to follow G-d's law.
(Of course, using cream cheese with good lox is an abomination of a different sort, against good taste and common sense... )
David, you're a New Yorker through and through, and considering there's more Jews in New York than in all of Isreal DON'T let anyone tell you you can't have your lox, bagels, and cream cheese!
Who are those guys anyway? Sheesh!
I should add that along with all the other immigrants who found a home here in the US, and I can speak personally for the Irish and the Italians, Jews from the old countrys NEVER ate as well on the other side as they did when they got here!
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