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Apologies. Jack May is on a West Coast trip, not Europe. You should have gotten a reply by now.
The 3-section car drawing is from the company web site. It looks like the "C car" has 8 logitudinal seats. From poor photos it lookes like the new middle section has 4-windows as I show. I cut and pasted in a logical manner to create the 5-section drawing. Good photos of the side would clarify the issue.
The drawing shows what can be termed a passenger-carrying section as the articulation joint. Most five section cars having a "Jacob's Truck" under these two sections have such considerably longer. Indeed, the two articulaton joints have their truck underneath, but are shorter than what is shown on the drawing and thus cannot truly be called a section. Whether the shorties on the drawing are too short to be called sections is a good question, so five or three-section is a matter of definition in this case.
Jack May is away from his computer on vacation with the ERA Spain tram and light rail tour and will get back to you when he returns.
daveklepper Jack May at jackmay135@gmail.com will be glad to attach photos to a return email and will be happy to hear from you.
I emailed jackmay135@gmail.com September 24, have not gotten a reply.
Buslist rcdrye The drawing appears to show a five section car, with two short sections over the trucks. I believe NJT's cars will be three section, articulated over the truck centers. The current cars are 3 section. The original post says: "The two 100-percent low-floor sections to be added will expand the length of 35 of the 73 existing 90-foot long cars to 127 feet." 2 additional sections would make a 5 section car.
rcdrye The drawing appears to show a five section car, with two short sections over the trucks. I believe NJT's cars will be three section, articulated over the truck centers.
The drawing appears to show a five section car, with two short sections over the trucks. I believe NJT's cars will be three section, articulated over the truck centers.
The current cars are 3 section. The original post says:
"The two 100-percent low-floor sections to be added will expand the length of 35 of the 73 existing 90-foot long cars to 127 feet."
2 additional sections would make a 5 section car.
I agree, 5 sections. - rcdrye's post had me wondering so looked at a number of web sites, but did not find a good photo. All were taken from angles that did not clearly show the side. - Read the original post again. Car 2054 is the prototype lengthed car. (Too bad photos in original post don't work). One is captioned "Five-section car 2054 heads southbound toward the Baldwin Avenue overpass."
That is apparently the idea. Good illustration.
Based on a poor photo (very oblique angel) looks like they are doing something like this.
NJ Transit_zpsxlxwlmjr by Donald Schmitt, on Flickr
rcdrye The same idea was used a number of years ago by Zurich Switzerland's VBZ to lengthen the 1970s era Tram 2000s with a "Saenfte" center section for low-loor access. Two section cars got another section with another idler truck.
The same idea was used a number of years ago by Zurich Switzerland's VBZ to lengthen the 1970s era Tram 2000s with a "Saenfte" center section for low-loor access. Two section cars got another section with another idler truck.
DART in Dallas did the same thing several years ago.
gardendanceCan anyone see Dave's photos? They don't show to me, I had the same problem with his Toronto thread. Help me out, I'd really love to see them.
In this case the photos are improperly linked; the URL seems to be from a Yahoo mail account. Dave, please provide the original source link or store these photos on a sharing site like Photobucket. I have a Yahoo account but no longer use their grossly unstructured Flickr site (strongly Not recommended ).
I'm intrigued by how they plan to lengthen these cars. Here in SoCal Metro has built all platforms to the same length (~260 ft) from the 1990 Blue Line to today's Expo line extension. It would be nightmarishly expensive to lengthen platforms to accomodate longer trains, but they might have to do it anyway due to the idiotic omission of fare gates early on (the so called honor system). Could the longer cars negotiate all of the curves? Hmmm.
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No, I get an "access denied" error message. I can't see them either.
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Can anyone see Dave's photos? They don't show to me, I had the same problem with his Toronto thread. Help me out, I'd really love to see them.
From Jack May
New Jersey Transit and Kinkisharyo will soon be starting the roll-out of a project to extend the length of many of the three-section Light Rail Vehicles used on the Hudson-Bergen and Newark light rail lines. The $54 million program was authorized in July, 2014 after one Hudson-Bergen car was fashioned into a prototype and had operated successfully for a full year (since 2013). The two 100-percent low-floor sections to be added will expand the length of 35 of the 73 existing 90-foot long cars to 127 feet. Their total passenger capacity will be increased by 50 percent, with the number of seats per unit being raised from 68 to 102. Of the fleet of 52 Hudson-Bergen cars, 25 will be lengthened, while 10 out of the 21 Newark Light Rail cars will get the same treatment. The savings accrued from this approach to increasing the capacity of the lines are significant, as the cost of the retrofit is about one-third that of buying new cars, and it also avoids the necessity of extending certain platforms on the Newark City Subway to accommodate two-car trains. But more important to the cash-starved agency and the New Jersey politicians who are unwilling to provide adequate funding for capital improvements, 80 percent of the cost is federally funded through the Congestion Mitigation and Air Quality Improvement (CMAQ) Program, which is jointly directed by the Federal Highway Administration and the Federal Transit Administration. The prototype car, No. 2054 of the Hudson-Bergen line, has now been carrying passengers for about two years. At present it tends to run in rush hours on the Hoboken-Tonnelle Avenue service, adding capacity to a route served by single units, and occasionally can be ridden on weekends on the Hoboken-Bayonne route, substituting for a regular two-car consist. While the sight of these extended units will soon become commonplace, I decided to photograph them on several occasions this summer. These photos are attached and displayed below. Above and below: Two views of the 2054 northbound heading to Tonnelle Avenue, along Port Imperial Blvd. in Weehawken, between the line's Liberty Harbor and Port Imperial stations. These views were specifically chosen to highlight the positioning and length of the car's five sections. The orange building in the lower photo houses some Port Authority of New York and New Jersey personnel and also serves as an air shaft for the Lincoln Tunnel. Five-section car 2054 heads southbound toward the Baldwin Avenue overpass. The busy thoroughfare, which starts under the Lincoln Tunnel access helix, links automobile traffic from route 495 with the many high-rise apartments, town houses and commercial developments along the Hudson River waterfront that came as a result of the construction of the light rail line. The land directly above the "Bergen Shield" or Palisades in this view was the dueling ground made famous by Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton. The northbound Tonnelle Avenue-bound unit is actually running eastward toward the Hudson River in this view from the Hoboken end of the Willow Avenue viaduct, which connects that city with Weehawken near the mouth of the Lincoln Tunnel. A Bayonne-bound 2054 is shown operating southward from Newport-Pavonia station to Harsimus Cove. The parking structure in the background serves Newport Centre Mall, one of the major traffic generators on the Hudson-Bergen light rail system. -------------------- One might wonder why the Hudson-Bergen Light Rail line has a car numbered as high as 2054 if it has a fleet of only 52 cars. That is simple, as the numbers are not continuous. Kinkisharyo built 55 cars for the system, but 3 of them were later transferred to the Newark Light Rail (Newark City Subway) line to provide the necessary capacity resulting from the addition of its Broad Street branch. But why are the cars numbered in the 2000 series? That is also simple if you know Al Fazio, who had a major role in the design of the final HBLRT system and its rolling stock. He is a student and admirer of New York City's BMT subway and as a professional engineer, has written extensively about the advanced-for-its-time technology of some of its infrastructure and rolling stock. Thus he was in a position to have certain aspects of the BMT referenced to corresponding facets of the HBLRT. For example, the junction of the lines from Tonnelle Avenue, Hoboken and Liberty State Park is called DeKalb Interlocking after the BMT's DeKalb Avenue station. But probably more significant, one of the primary features of the BMT was its first steel subway cars, which were considered by many as a marvel of their times. So why not number the Hudson-Bergen cars in the 2000 series? Done, although Al claims it was "coincidental," and wrote that the numbering "was recognized later as an auspicious sign of the new railway's success." In Newark similar cars are numbered in the 100 series. Car 2054 was part of the initial fleet of the BMT subway in 1915 (called BRT at that time). The 10-foot wide, 67-foot long units have been referred to as BMT Standards and B-types over the years (and by many other names by subway passengers, that are not being repeated here to avoid an X-rating). I rode in these cars often while growing up in New York City as I was a Brooklyn Dodgers baseball fan and headed out to Ebbets Field on many occasions.
Sea Beach Line at Kings Highway, Brooklyn on June 11, 1915, showing BMT A/B-Type Standard car 2054, operating as a single unit prior to the start of through service to Manhattan via the Fourth Avenue subway. The Sea Beach line was the first BMT route to use the fleet of steel cars. Photo from the Ed Watson collection, later the Arthur Lonto collection and then the Frank Pfuhler collection, via nycsubway.org The number 2054 also reminds me of a PCC purchased by the Philadelphia Transportation Company in 1940. Having attended college in the City of Brotherly Love where these air-electric streamliners crossed the campus and connected with other trolley lines, I'm sure I rode it on many occasions. In those days it was painted in the standard PTC green and cream color scheme in which it was delivered, but later, during a period in the early 1990s when SEPTA recognized the historical aspects of streetcars and their value as a tourist attraction, it was restored to resemble the colors of the original 20 PCCs that came from St. Louis Car in 1938. SEPTA operated special services in that all-too-brief period, such as the Chestnut Hill Trolley and the Holiday Trolley, and even held weekend Trolley Fests. In addition to the 2054, it painted other PCCs into PTC green and cream, as well as a pseudo-Red Arrow livery. Many fantrips were operated in those days, including some with traditional Peter Witt-type 8534. I rode several of them and took many slides, but I have not digitized them. The 2054 is now preserved at the Electric City Trolley museum at Steamtown in Scranton, Pa.
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