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Posted by Phoebe Vet on Friday, August 14, 2015 9:56 PM

Should I have found a better way to say I don't ride it very often?

I ride Amtrak to and from DC as well.  Does that count?

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Posted by gardendance on Friday, August 14, 2015 9:11 PM

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I  admit that I only ride the Metro when I  am in town

Admitting it is the first step, but I feel you should try harder to ride Metro when you're not in town.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, August 14, 2015 5:22 PM

4 US Senators  == Maryland & Virginia send letter to  WMATA  BOD about derailment on track that had been declared out of guage 1 month  earlier.  Although method of correction very suspect bet a congressional investigation with public hearings are not going to be pretty.  Downs is going to go on hot seat as well ?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dr-gridlock/wp/2015/08/14/senators-to-metro-enough-is-enough/?hpid=z3

 

 

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Posted by Phoebe Vet on Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:20 PM

I  admit that I only ride the Metro when I  am in town, but every time I have ridden, the trains were clean and well maintained.  Every employee I encountered was friendly and helpful, and the other passengers were polite and well behaved.

I am not sure what the commenters under that article were whining about.  I know the response to the emergency could have been much better, but the commenters seem to feel the entire organization is corrupt.

What is needed is a regular schedule of mass casualty drills.  That is how most emergency services train for, and evaluate, their emergency response.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Thursday, June 25, 2015 12:09 PM
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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, April 8, 2015 11:12 PM

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Now the NTSB is investigating another arcing fire.  Wonder if WMATA tried to keep it quiet ?

 

http://www.progressiverailroading.com/federal_legislation_regulation/news/NTSB-examines-second-electricalarcing-incident-at-WMATA--44080

I recall seeing or hearing something on the local news with the 2nd occurence.  It wasn't as bad as the first.  I don't think they were trying to hide it, just not making a big deal about it.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Wednesday, April 8, 2015 8:42 PM

Now the NTSB is investigating another arcing fire.  Wonder if WMATA tried to keep it quiet ?

 

http://www.progressiverailroading.com/federal_legislation_regulation/news/NTSB-examines-second-electricalarcing-incident-at-WMATA--44080

 

 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, March 20, 2015 10:28 AM
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Posted by aegrotatio on Thursday, March 5, 2015 9:43 PM

Yes, there is manual mechanism to open the door. Only one of the doors opens.

 

Sad fact to know and tell: I do not remember which year it was, but I was riding during the July 4 holiday. In the weeks preceding July 4, a passenger was leaning on a door that opened while the train was moving. Nobody got hurt, but WMATA discovered a flaw in a very large sample of door systems on more than one series of cars.

 

Metro is run by a quasi-governmental three-state body who answers to nobody--not even to the FRA.  So, because the massively busy July 4 holiday was approaching, WMATA elected to disable *all* emergency door releases. Throughout the July 4 holiday there were *NO* emergency doors operational. Besides this glaringly illegal move, everyone noticed that only one of the doors opened on all the rail cars all holiday long. These are the opposite doors that do not have the emergency door release mechanism.

 

At the time, virtually nobody in the media reported it, and nobody cared. It was covered up nicely.

 

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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Wednesday, February 18, 2015 5:26 PM

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Why does a 911 operator have to say "Office of Unified Command DC911 Operator"? Why not just "911 whats your emergency" Some beaurocrat got carried away and made a time wasting script to glorify some title. That IMHO is ridiculous.

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Posted by Metro Red Line on Friday, February 13, 2015 1:20 AM

A friend of mine visited DC this week and took a pic of this sign in a Metro car...

 

My friend also happens to work for Metro in Los Angeles and was appalled by the underlined line, which possibly contributed to the fatality in the Jan 12 tunnel incident. 

Is there a mechanism for riders to open DC Metro subway car doors manually? My friend couldn't spot one in the car. In L.A.'s Metro, there is a pull-down lever located above each door to allow for manual opening of the doors. Now, passengers used to abuse this by pulling the lever down to increase dwell times at stations to let people in, and the transit agency has put a protective plastic cover over the opening, but many people seem to know that if worst came to worst, the cover can be broken off and the lever can be pulled down to open doors. And there is always a walkway on at least one side of the tunnel which can allow passengers to exit the cars and head to an emergency exit to the surface or cross-tunnel opening to board a train on the opposite track. Do any such measures exist on the DC Metro?

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Thursday, February 12, 2015 4:24 PM

Newswire at prsent has no link but here is one that covers most of preliminary NTSB report.  In a nut shell -- poor emergency training and not running ventilation fans properly.  What kind of house cleaning is it going to take to fix these many safety problems over the past couple years ?  BYE BYE Downs ?  MBTA did not wait.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/ntsb-metro-fans-pushed-smoke-toward-passengers-on-train/2015/02/11/42db65d8-b215-11e4-886b-c22184f27c35_story.html?hpid=z2 

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Posted by Metro Red Line on Friday, January 30, 2015 2:29 PM

I was actually visiting Washington DC that day and riding on the Metro when that happened. Fortunately I was on the Red Line and was not directly affected. I did hear station announements regarding L'Enfant station being closed due to "police activity." I assumed it was some criminal activity and since my train didn't pass the station, I disregarded it. Once I got to my hotel people were messaging me about it on my phone.

 

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Posted by Phoebe Vet on Monday, January 26, 2015 6:40 AM

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The emergency doors work fine from the inside and outside.  On most cars it's just one of the two sliding doors that function.

There is so much silly and stupid non-fact-checking reporting going on now, weeks afterwards.  Lots of "journalists" rushing to report things about nonworking emergency doors (false), encrypted radios that cannot talk to each other (false), nonworking ventilation fans (totally false).

We need to wait for the investigation to complete.

 

Non fact checking and paraphrasing things they don't understand is the defining characteristic of modern American news reporting.  When you combine that with the desire to make things sound as dramatic as possible, you have a typical news cast.  I don't know about where you live, but here in Charlotte they report things they read on Twitter and Facebook.

Remember when they used to be able to report severe weather without activating "Storm Center 9"?  Burglaries have become home invasions, and we no longer have automobile accidents, we have cars that slam into each other.

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Posted by aegrotatio on Sunday, January 25, 2015 10:50 PM

The emergency doors work fine from the inside and outside.  On most cars it's just one of the two sliding doors that function.

There is so much silly and stupid non-fact-checking reporting going on now, weeks afterwards.  Lots of "journalists" rushing to report things about nonworking emergency doors (false), encrypted radios that cannot talk to each other (false), nonworking ventilation fans (totally false).

We need to wait for the investigation to complete.

 

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Posted by NorthWest on Saturday, January 17, 2015 9:35 AM
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Posted by Wizlish on Saturday, January 17, 2015 9:13 AM

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Ye gods, there are some frightening details in there.  Be sure to read through to the e-mails and the transcriptions of the 911 calls.

Here it is 2015, and the problem with emergency door handles for first responders that the Washington Post said was a problem in 2009 is still, apparently, unresolved.  What kinds of problems did WMATA have that the emergency door override is behind a panel secured with four screws?

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Posted by Wizlish on Saturday, January 17, 2015 8:24 AM

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This was just reported on our local morning news.  The good looking idiot who reads the news said it occurred at Washington DCs Elephant Station.

Maybe they wanted to build a castle there.

To go with the one over on Pennsylvania Avenue?  Or on I Street & 19th?

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, January 17, 2015 8:12 AM

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Wednesday, January 14, 2015 6:28 AM

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This was just reported on our local morning news.  The good looking idiot who reads the news said it occurred at Washington DCs Elephant Station.

 

Maybe they wanted to build a castle there.

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:12 PM

Early supposition is attributing the smoke to arcing in the 3rd rail system.

Arcing, to me, is indicative of live voltage crossing an air space to ground and creating a short circuit.  Aren't there circuit breakers and/or fuses to protect against overloaded circuits and I would expect a arcing circuit would also be indicative of a overloaded condition.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Tuesday, January 13, 2015 7:43 PM

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Or perhaps the FD could aquire a tester or an emergency kill key like they have for security gates and elevators.

Certainly good additions to any plan.  Maybe other systems around the country can learn something.  BART has already posted that they are following the investigation closely.
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Posted by Phoebe Vet on Tuesday, January 13, 2015 7:21 PM

Or perhaps the FD could aquire a tester or an emergency kill key like they have for security gates and elevators.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Tuesday, January 13, 2015 7:16 PM

Dumb question.  Why are there no annunciators at each tunnel entrance noting that power is being provided to the third rail?  It could be directly wired to the third rail.  Of course the annnciator would need  some kind of fail safe. Possibly also hardened agaist vandals. If there was more than one isolated section of third rail then each section could be wired to the annunciator.

Additionally an operator could note that there is power available.  Its nice to not go into an unpowered tunnel.  The annunciator might have prevented entrance of the train if by chance the smoke was caused by a failure of the third rail system'.

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, January 13, 2015 2:33 PM

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Tuesday, January 13, 2015 7:00 AM

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This was just reported on our local morning news.  The good looking idiot who reads the news said it occurred at Washington DCs Elephant Station.

When you consider the current make-up of Congress, the news reader probably had it right.

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Posted by Phoebe Vet on Tuesday, January 13, 2015 5:00 AM

This was just reported on our local morning news.  The good looking idiot who reads the news said it occurred at Washington DCs Elephant Station.

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, January 12, 2015 9:57 PM

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