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PATH flood protection - NJT what ?
Posted by blue streak 1 on Wednesday, June 5, 2013 10:47 PM
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Posted by henry6 on Thursday, June 6, 2013 7:59 AM

NJT doesn't own any tunnels going under the Hudson nor below ground...thought hills but not below ground.  Amtrak owns the two bores to NYP.  Where NJT is vulnerable is across the Meadowlands on the former Erie and Lackawanna properties.  The Corridor is higher than either of them but could be subject to washouts and problems with the ancient Portal Bridge.  Bergen Tunnels are higher than sea level and the tracks actual fall to tide from the east bores to Hoboken terminal but do remain less than 10 feet I believe at water's edge.  On one hand, you can say that these rights of way and structures have lasted over 100 years as is, but  Sandy proved their vulnerability.  So what should be done which would be cost effective and real and not just a political knee jerk reaction?

 

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, June 6, 2013 9:11 AM

Andrea is on the move.

Never too old to have a happy childhood!

              

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Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, June 6, 2013 9:14 AM

NJT could look at what NYCTA has done to beef up the Rockaway line just reopened.

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Posted by sandyhookken on Thursday, June 6, 2013 9:31 AM

NJT management is still in denial that they did anything wrong before and during Hurricane Sandy. Addressing improvements for future storm protection would resurrect issues that they are desperately trying to keep buried.

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Posted by John WR on Thursday, June 6, 2013 5:21 PM

henry6

So what should be done which would be cost effective and real and not just a political knee jerk reaction?

As I recall NJT is looking to move its storage and repair facilities out of the Meadowlands to a higher location.  They were supposed to have a place in Linden and then look for a more permanent location.   But there has been no news about it for a while now.  

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Posted by henry6 on Thursday, June 6, 2013 6:22 PM

I was under the impression that LInden was being looked at merely as a place to take cars to in a storm alert and not replace the Meadows.  I still would feel more comfortable with an investment in Port Morris because of its being the high point on the system and not really bothered by too much run off from the one nearby low hill and not being on a major water course.  There are other places, yes, but PM looks to me like the best choice for operations, least likely to be shut out or shut down by weather.

 

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Posted by John WR on Thursday, June 6, 2013 7:20 PM

I understand the same as you, Henry, that Linden would only be a temporary storage facility.   Beyond that I don't know if there is any permanent place planned.  

I guess things were a lot different when the Erie and the DL&W built their tracks across the meadowlands.   But that was then and this is now.   

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Posted by henry6 on Thursday, June 6, 2013 7:54 PM

The major difference for all the railroads was that they had facilities even out of state to fall back on, even the dispatching abilities.  The only exceptions were probably the CNJ after they pulled out PA in the late 50's and tne NYSW back in the late 30's while also losing their affiliation with the Erie.

 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Thursday, June 6, 2013 9:58 PM

WE may get a look at what is planned for the Andrea preps ? ?  Especially if NJT removes all spare parfrom the meadowlands ? t

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Posted by narig01 on Friday, June 7, 2013 1:21 AM
I think the claim by NJ Transit that one can not compare MTA to NJ Transit is (fill in the blank). MTA operates an area even larger. From New Haven and Montsuk toPort Jervis. From Staten Island and Brooklyn to Poughkeepsie MTA serves an area even larger than the state of New Jersey. With heavy rail subways and buses. The only place with nothing to compare is New Yorks subway and New Jerseys several light rail lines.
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