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commuter rail preps for "sandy" and future storms

  • This thread has covered the consequences of the of preparations foor Sandy. Will edit the existing post now to give the resulting new plans for future storms.  These plans will be posted on this original post as plans become known hopefully froom the agenceys themselves. 

    Have not located NJT's  plan but here is Bergan record summary.

    http://www.northjersey.com/news/NJ_Transit_retools_storm_strategy_shifts_rail_stock_to_safer_storage.html

     adding the article of what NYC TA did before & after 

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/27/magazine/could-new-york-city-subways-survive-another-hurricane.html?ref=nyregion&_r=0

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  • Um, you're providing links to something inside your web email. That's not going to work for anyone but you.

  • sorry here is latest AMTRAK BULLETIN  -- guess all MARC & VRE will be cancelled ??

    CSX shutting down north of richmond and east of brunswick md. 

  • NJ TRANSIT SHUT DOWN NOTICE

    http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/10/road_rail_and_air_travel_shutt.html#incart_m-rpt-2>

    NYC transit shuts down at 7;00 PM sunday night subways included

     

    MARC SHUTS DOWN RAIL AND BUS

    http://mta.maryland.gov/advisories/hurricane-sandy-customer-advisory

    septa will be shut down by 0100 mondday morning

    http://www.septa.org/realtime/status/system-status.shtml

    here is announcement of all NY MTA services

    http://alert.mta.info/ 

    shore line east shut down monday since AMTRAK OPERATES THE SERVICE

    http://www.shorelineeast.com/index.php

    MBTA  ( BOSTON ) operating normally  (?) monday except no boat service.

    http://www.mbta.com/weather/

     

     

     

     

  • Danny was in 1997.  It's too late to prepare.

    Dave

    Lackawanna Route of the Phoebe Snow

  • Phoebe Vet

    Danny was in 1997.  It's too late to prepare.

    Thats what I get for having a relative named danny.  Corrected title

  • I have never ever seen such advance suspension of services anywhere...and this is not only one metropolitan area but all areas from Boston south through Richmond!   There is at least a 24 hour advance suspension in all these places for subway, commuter rail, rapid transit, even bus services.  Is this too extreme?  Could today have been a regular business day with the suspensions beginning at say 10PM or even 12M (nothing allowed to run as long as schedule terminated no later than 12M)?   Is this overreacting or just good preparedness?  

    RIDEWITHMEHENRY will plan and escort railfan rides in and around the NY Metropolitan and Philadephia areas: no mode of transportation is untouched. Guaranteed railfan fun!

  • henry6

    I have never ever seen such advance suspension of services anywhere...and this is not only one metropolitan area but all areas from Boston south through Richmond!   There is at least a 24 hour advance suspension in all these places for subway, commuter rail, rapid transit, even bus services.  Is this too extreme?  Could today have been a regular business day with the suspensions beginning at say 10PM or even 12M (nothing allowed to run as long as schedule terminated no later than 12M)?   Is this overreacting or just good preparedness?  

    Not being part of the preparedness teams, it is difficult to say whether they are overreacting.

    The large electric utility that I worked for had a storm center, which was staffed when a major storm was headed our way.  Some said that we tended to overreact to a pending storm, but prior experience told us that if we did not get on top of it, there were plenty of lawyers who would subsequently make us wish that we had.

  • a flooded Hoboken terminal

    https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/396286_470606992961728_1852508693_n.jpg

     empty NYC train stations

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/stacylambe/nycs-empty-subway-system

     

  • Thanks for the pictures, Streak.  I especially enjoyed the ones of an empty Grand Central Terminal.  Several years ago I remember a noreaster that put water in Hoboken Terminal up to the public telephones.  

  • henry6

    I have never ever seen such advance suspension of services anywhere...and this is not only one metropolitan area but all areas from Boston south through Richmond!   There is at least a 24 hour advance suspension in all these places for subway, commuter rail, rapid transit, even bus services.  Is this too extreme?  Could today have been a regular business day with the suspensions beginning at say 10PM or even 12M (nothing allowed to run as long as schedule terminated no later than 12M)?   Is this overreacting or just good preparedness?  

     

    The Balto-Wash Metro area has had rain since about 5 PM on Sunday afternoon with intensity increasing as time wears on.  It is now 5 PM Monday - rain has been at a steady heavy intensity of probably 1/4 to 1/2 inch per hour - winds have been blowing since early morning - sufficient to hear it roar through the trees.  How many trees will withstand the wind force for how long with the continuing softening ground is the question.

    Getting trains to the Metro area in the morning would have been no problem - emptying the Metro are in the afternoon may be a totally different story.

    Never too old to have a happy childhood!

  • Blue Streak, as I remember, the stairs down to the PATH Hudson Tubes was right there at Hoboken.  I would hate to think of seawater cascading down the stairs unabated.

  • MidlandMike

    Blue Streak, as I remember, the stairs down to the PATH Hudson Tubes was right there at Hoboken.  I would hate to think of seawater cascading down the stairs unabated.

    It has happened before....

    RIDEWITHMEHENRY will plan and escort railfan rides in and around the NY Metropolitan and Philadephia areas: no mode of transportation is untouched. Guaranteed railfan fun!

  • It is not extreme.   Takes time to secure equipment, try to waterproof or move to high ground critical stuff.   They don't just park the trains in a yard and hope for the best.

  • If the Battery got 12 foot surge...and Hoboken the Square Mile City is underwater and isolated, I wonder if NJT moved everything out of the yards and hauled it out to the hinterlands and hills along the old EL rights of way and yards....From what I can see, anywhere on the Newark division was (is) underwater but Hoboken Division has places to stash above water lines...of course, it also has trees and debris.  On the east shore of the Hudson, both the LIRR and MNRR are so close to water and water courses, there is almost no place to hide except maybe up the Harlem, Danbury, and New Canan branches.  SEPTA also suffers from a lot of water level or low level lines....

    RIDEWITHMEHENRY will plan and escort railfan rides in and around the NY Metropolitan and Philadephia areas: no mode of transportation is untouched. Guaranteed railfan fun!