It's very old , it currently wears the number CP8554, I seen this machine(and touched it yesterday, I'm in Calgary). The machine has two pistons in each of it's cylinders , the running boards are about 16 inches higher than the others. It rides on 4 axle trucks, has twin exhaust stacks and runs long hood forward. I think it hasn't been used for many years. I thought they were all gone!! Anyone know anything about this machine?
SL guy wrote:It's an H16-44 designed by Fairbanks Morse and built under license by Canadian Locomotive Worksin 1955. It was retired in the early 1970's. The "two pistons in each cylinder" is the opposed piston design of engine that was used in all Fairbanks-Morse locomotives. They had a unique sound. By the way I hope you weren't trespassing on CP property when you touched it.
Of course I wasn't tresspassing !! I had other reasons to be there but couldn't help to notice it at the end of the track I was looking at ... like I said , I thought they were all long gone, thanks for the confirmation !!!
Randy
Randy Stahl wrote: It's very old , it currently wears the number CP8554, I seen this machine(and touched it yesterday, I'm in Calgary).
It's very old , it currently wears the number CP8554, I seen this machine(and touched it yesterday, I'm in Calgary).
He didn't "just touch it", he hugged the thing! I suspect that because he was there with others of that peculiar pedigree, there was also probably a "group hug".
Wait 'till he has to explain that diesel-soot colored "lipstick" when he gets home!
photos?
Dave Nelson
mudchicken wrote: Randy Stahl wrote: It's very old , it currently wears the number CP8554, I seen this machine(and touched it yesterday, I'm in Calgary). He didn't "just touch it", he hugged the thing! I suspect that because he was there with others of that peculiar pedigree, there was also probably a "group hug".Wait 'till he has to explain that diesel-soot colored "lipstick" when he gets home! photos?
jsoderq wrote:For those who might not know, FM opposed piston engines powered submarines in WW II.
and did spectacularly well at it, too. Nothing wrong with the opposed piston design (well, some maintenance issues), but FM had some serious marketing problems.
What were you lucky guys doing in Calgary, anyway?
jchnhtfd wrote: jsoderq wrote:For those who might not know, FM opposed piston engines powered submarines in WW II.and did spectacularly well at it, too. Nothing wrong with the opposed piston design (well, some maintenance issues), but FM had some serious marketing problems.What were you lucky guys doing in Calgary, anyway?
I already told you .. gazing at an H-16-44
Calgary is a far ways off from Squapan.
No group hug then?
Does she know about "the other woman" with the initials FM ?
mudchicken wrote: No group hug then?Does she know about "the other woman" with the initials FM ?
WOW! And all this time I thought FM was a guy...LOL...
LC
Limitedclear wrote: mudchicken wrote: No group hug then?Does she know about "the other woman" with the initials FM ? WOW! And all this time I thought FM was a guy...LOL...LC
I saw that one coming a mile away ....LOL!!
jsoderqFor those who might not know, FM opposed piston engines powered submarines in WW II.
Still do. The auxillary power in nuclear submarines is F-M. The Navy has long liked the OP design. Few in WWII were F-M however. Most were EMC Cleveland 268/278 designs. Some near the end of the war were 567s.
Another common use for FM's were in Canadian vessels for the Great Lakes and St. Lawrence Seaway. After steam turbines stopped being favored, they were the most common engine in newbuilds from about 1965-1975.
Still a few kicking, but the end is fast approaching for the last FM's on the lakes. I don't expect any will see 2018 in active use.
tdmidgetStill do. The auxillary power in nuclear submarines is F-M. The Navy has long liked the OP design. Few in WWII were F-M however. Most were EMC Cleveland 268/278 designs. Some near the end of the war were 567s.
Many were FM's.
I count at least 23 of 77 Gato's as having FM powerplants, which was the design that was just starting to enter service when war broke out. The majority of the rest are EMD 16-248's or 16-278A's, but a fair number were built with Hooven-Owens-Rentschler engines which weren't liked at all.
62 of the 120 Balao class follow-ups also had FM's by my count, with EMD's accounting for the rest. And of the 29 Trench class subs built afterwards that entered service from October 1944 onward, all but one had FM's.
I don't believe that EMD's 567 ever saw submarine use. In the United States Navy during WWII, they pretty much went into LST's and tugs.
As far as I know the closest thing to a submarine engine actually made by EMD made it into submarine CHASERS, although the follow-on version of the engine (which I can't verify as being actually built by EMD) was indeed used in subs.
This was the somewhat-amazing 16-184A. (The A variant reflected specific changes made by EMD to the GM design)
The sub engine design (which iirc was installed in the Albacore as well as a couple of more conventional classes) was the 16-338, with the generator handily on the bottom as a source of despair and woe. One of you boat nerds will know who actually built the 338s.
Thank You.
Randy Stahl It's very old , it currently wears the number CP8554, I seen this machine(and touched it yesterday, I'm in Calgary). The machine has two pistons in each of it's cylinders , the running boards are about 16 inches higher than the others. It rides on 4 axle trucks, has twin exhaust stacks and runs long hood forward. I think it hasn't been used for many years. I thought they were all gone!! Anyone know anything about this machine?
I didn't know that FM built anything with 4 AXLE trucks, you learn something new every day. Or did you mean 4 WHEEL trucks?
Doug
May your flanges always stay BETWEEN the rails
NDG- Not too often you even saw CN cars on CP and vice versa. Thinking there was a bit more cooperation in the mountains and BC.
Perhaps there was no choice in some instances. Do not think it is that way so much today.
Wow, this is an old thread !
Miningman NDG- Not too often you even saw CN cars on CP and vice versa. Thinking there was a bit more cooperation in the mountains and BC. Perhaps there was no choice in some instances. Do not think it is that way so much today.
challenger3980I didn't know that FM built anything with 4 AXLE trucks, you learn something new every day. Or did you mean 4 WHEEL trucks? Doug
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BigJim challenger3980 I didn't know that FM built anything with 4 AXLE trucks, you learn something new every day. Or did you mean 4 WHEEL trucks? Doug He meant what he said. It may not be politically correct to you, but, that is the way we refer to them...4 axle or 6 axle locos.
challenger3980 I didn't know that FM built anything with 4 AXLE trucks, you learn something new every day. Or did you mean 4 WHEEL trucks? Doug
He meant what he said. It may not be politically correct to you, but, that is the way we refer to them...4 axle or 6 axle locos.
Big Jim, there was Nothing about my post being Politically Correct, I am about the Least PC person you will meet.
unless there was an H16-44 that DID ride on 4 axle TRUCKS that I don't know about, my post was just a Friendly (Note the Smile, Wink, Grin Smiley) point out about Randy's typo.
If Randy had said "Rides on 4 axles" it would have been correct, but the H16-44 is a 4 Axle B-B type riding on TWO, 2 axle TRUCKS. To call it a 4 AXLE LOCOMOTIVE would be correct, to say that it rides on 4 AXLES would be correct, to say that it "RIDES ON 4 AXLE TRUCKS" is NOT correct.
MY reply was not meant in a Snippy manner, but maybe a course in READING COMPHRENSION would be time and money well spent for you, just sayin'.
no biggie, the engine had 4 axles.
Interesting story on that Baldwin.
Delta Alaska Terminal 1 660 HP DS4-4-660 BLW #73042 11/1946 Surrey, BC August 1969 David M. More
A lot of history here. This was the first Baldwin diesel in Canada, it was built for the Morrissey, Fernie & Michel Ry.(Crows Nest Pass Coal Co., Michel, BC) as their number 1. When this very old (1903) shortline closed down (aban. 2/1958) it was finally sold 7/1964 to Johnston Terminals, New Westminster, BC. and later went to Delta Alaska Terminal (owned 1/3 each by GN, NP and MILW) where it switched the American Rail Express Co.'s S.S. Alaska a rail car ferry which operated a weekly service toWhittier, Alaska where it connected with the Alaska RR, leaving BC on Thursdays. It ceased service 3/1978. It went on to a number of different locations and owners, industrial, shortline and preservation. It is currently at the Portola Railroad Museum in California.
This was the only 660 HP Baldwin diesel in Canada. The only other new Baldwin's were the CPR's small fleet of 1000 HP units, both yard and road switchers.
Amazing the Data the Internet has provided.
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