EMDX 1502 and 1503 Tier IV locomotives testing

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EMDX 1502 and 1503 Tier IV locomotives testing
Posted by CAZEPHYR on Saturday, June 25, 2016 8:57 AM

 

The two Tier IV locomotives have been testing in California recently running from Roseville to Sparks over Donner pass in regular trains.   The paint scheme is very attractive and the units are much different than the standard SD70ACe models.  This new model uses a 4 cycle motor with individual axle control along with many new features. 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/57584342@N03/27548840516/in/dateposted-public/

 

 

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, June 25, 2016 9:28 AM

Are those the fabricated HTCR-6 trucks?

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Posted by rdamon on Saturday, June 25, 2016 10:24 AM

1609 and 1610 are being tested on CSX. Sharp looking units!!

 

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Posted by CAZEPHYR on Saturday, June 25, 2016 10:29 AM

Excellent pictures.   Those are in Union Pacific colors but the testing on the UP is the demo colors.  Go figure!!!

 

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Posted by CAZEPHYR on Saturday, June 25, 2016 10:32 AM

 

 

 

Yes, they are fabricated by the new EMD group.   The units are different in every way from the present model including the two tear drop windows and the six step stairwells.   The video on the Progressive EMD web site is interesting to watch.  They included 80 new changes from suggestions from 220 train crew members to address issues that the crews would like see fixed.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by kgbw49 on Saturday, June 25, 2016 10:42 AM

You can see the EMD heritage in the cab with the return of the tear drop windows and the backward slant of the windows. If one took an SD75M cab and slanted the outside faces downward for better visibiilty of crewmen on the steps it would look a lot like the Tier 4 demonstrators. They are good looking units, and I hope EMD is successful at getting them on the road for the long term.

 

 

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Posted by CAZEPHYR on Saturday, June 25, 2016 10:47 AM

i would think that was one of the crew type suggestions!!

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, June 25, 2016 12:02 PM

I'm assuming that the video in question is this one:

See around 1:45 -- the design process is referenced a couple of other places, too.

Note the brief view of the prime mover at 0:58, and the very cool shots of the CAVE visualization environment.

Does anyone have a list of the 250-odd items of feedback?  (Note that the 82 changes were just the ones that were made before Progress EMD started construction on the prototype...)

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Posted by longhorn1969 on Saturday, June 25, 2016 9:45 PM

kgbw49

You can see the EMD heritage in the cab with the return of the tear drop windows and the backward slant of the windows. If one took an SD75M cab and slanted the outside faces downward for better visibiilty of crewmen on the steps it would look a lot like the Tier 4 demonstrators. They are good looking units, and I hope EMD is successful at getting them on the road for the long term.

 

 

 

 

Put a full cowl on it, clean up the top of the nose, add phase three livery and one has the making of a nice Amtrak long distance locomotive. Yeah, yeah, the last six axle loco was the GE Pooch, but one can dream, can't he?

Back to this locomotive, we neec UP to step up to the plate and once again order a 1,000 units for a 20 year lease, that will get EMD back in the game instantly.

 

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Posted by kgbw49 on Sunday, June 26, 2016 10:33 AM

If I recall correctly, in another thread one of our other contributors who was in a position to know indicated that UP had signed for somewhere in the range of 5 or 6 dozen SD70ACe-T4 units for 2016 delivery, which also allowed them to also receive a significant number of "Tier 4 Credit" SD70ACes in 2016. The credit units are in the 9000 series.

Here is one of the UP Tier 4 Credit SD70ACe units recently delivered...

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Posted by Michigan on Sunday, June 26, 2016 6:07 PM

Union Pacific has a order for 60 SD70Ace-4 with more to come/.

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Posted by YoHo1975 on Sunday, June 26, 2016 9:17 PM
BLAST! OF course I didn't see anything coming down I80 the other day. DO you know their schedule on the Hill? Basically, I want a chance to snap a pick in the yard at roseville on my way to from work.
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Posted by CAZEPHYR on Tuesday, June 28, 2016 8:46 AM

They are in Roseville as of Monday, 27th, but the 1503 is in the Diesel shop.  The other unit was parked in the fuel station with the EMDX 820 test car.

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Posted by YoHo1975 on Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:23 PM

Probably not there today. Well, the one in the shop might be. I'll have to swing by on the way home.

 

Hopefully they are getting fueled at the racks...unlike the GE's which went up the hill with empty tanks when testing. 

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Posted by Leo_Ames on Tuesday, June 28, 2016 4:06 PM

Michigan

Union Pacific has a order for 60 SD70Ace-4 with more to come/.

What are those? 

I know of the SD70ACe-T4, which you're more than likely talking about. But there's also Tier 4 credit units that some fans are adding a 4 to the end of the existing model designation, despite still being a regular SD70ACe with the difference only being the build date (And T4 for GE's previous model).

Not to mention the SD70ACe-P4 that BNSF took 20 of and could add to with emission credits. 

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Posted by CAZEPHYR on Tuesday, June 28, 2016 8:03 PM

 

The Union Pacific order is for the new model with six driven axles, but the T4 is for Tier IV designation.   Those new GE with the 4 axles seem to be less than great for drag freights since they were designed for high HP per axle stack trains.

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Posted by YoHo1975 on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 8:04 PM
UP is getting credit units as well. There was word out that UP is curtailing their orders from EMD and GE after this year. Basically they declined the option on the EMD order and no new GE order is forthcoming. This doesn't appear to be any concerns with the engines, rather somebody finally realized they have more power than they know what to do with.
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Posted by CAZEPHYR on Thursday, June 30, 2016 1:55 PM

This is the current news in the Railway Age Magazine this week. 

 

From Chicago, and Railway Age's Rail Insights Conference and Expo today, June 7:

William C. Vantuono, Editor-in-Chief, Railway Age: What is the outlook for Union Pacific locomotive orders?

Rob Knight, Chief Financial Officer, Union Pacific: We [plan to acquire] 230 new locomotives this year, 70 next year, and after that, no orders are planned. What will drive our orders after that will be how our business and the broader economy is doing.

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Posted by CAZEPHYR on Thursday, July 07, 2016 2:45 PM

The EMDX Tier IV set is now broken up.  EMDX Test Car 820 has been sent back east on the Roper 7/6/16.  1503 Tier IV unit is in the yard at Roseville but 1502 was not in view on the morning of 7/7/16. 

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Posted by Lord Atmo on Friday, July 08, 2016 9:46 AM

I really like how these look. Would be nice to see them in various schemes

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Posted by Michigan on Friday, July 08, 2016 8:09 PM

Union Pacific has a order for 65 SD70AH tier 3 and 65 SD70Ace-T4 for late third Quarter. the AH's are being delivered in 2016 for Credit on the SD70Ace-T4 order.

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Posted by longhorn1969 on Monday, July 11, 2016 10:30 AM

CAZEPHYR

This is the current news in the Railway Age Magazine this week. 

 

From Chicago, and Railway Age's Rail Insights Conference and Expo today, June 7:

William C. Vantuono, Editor-in-Chief, Railway Age: What is the outlook for Union Pacific locomotive orders?

Rob Knight, Chief Financial Officer, Union Pacific: We [plan to acquire] 230 new locomotives this year, 70 next year, and after that, no orders are planned. What will drive our orders after that will be how our business and the broader economy is doing.

 

 

Well eventually the massive 2000 EMD lease order will need replacing in about three to four years, now EMD has a viable product, though I wander how much more expensive a T4 unit is compared to a simple SD70M.

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Posted by Shadow the Cats owner on Tuesday, July 12, 2016 10:06 AM

Well this is an educated Guess based on what my boss goes thru.  His cost to replace equipment has Doubled since the EPA started to meddle with his industry. 

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Posted by LensCapOn on Thursday, July 14, 2016 11:11 AM

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Wonder which manufacturer will be the first to offer these to my fellow toy train nuts?

 

 

 

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Posted by YoHo1975 on Friday, July 15, 2016 7:06 PM

CAZEPHYR

The EMDX Tier IV set is now broken up.  EMDX Test Car 820 has been sent back east on the Roper 7/6/16.  1503 Tier IV unit is in the yard at Roseville but 1502 was not in view on the morning of 7/7/16. 

FYI

 

 

Haven't seen 1503 for a few days, so I think she finally went back as well.

 

She had 2 issues, one had something to do with "water" that was unclear.

The other problem was that the Coded Cab Signal system failed.

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Posted by beaulieu on Friday, July 22, 2016 7:28 AM

EMDX 1604 and 1605 have been released from Muncie for BNSF testing reportedly they are of the P4 flavor. BNSF is to get 4 demonstrators from EMD, perhaps the other 2 will be standard P6 versions.

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Posted by CAZEPHYR on Friday, July 22, 2016 11:46 AM

YoHo1975
 
CAZEPHYR

The EMDX Tier IV set is now broken up.  EMDX Test Car 820 has been sent back east on the Roper 7/6/16.  1503 Tier IV unit is in the yard at Roseville but 1502 was not in view on the morning of 7/7/16. 

FYI

 

 

 

 

Haven't seen 1503 for a few days, so I think she finally went back as well.

 

She had 2 issues, one had something to do with "water" that was unclear.

The other problem was that the Coded Cab Signal system failed.

 

 

The 1502 was back in Roseville on Monday, 7/18 in the yard for service. The loco had worked North from West Colton.   The 1503 went North to Portland and was reported to be in a train past Cheyenne mid week.  So Long for now.

 

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Posted by jeffhergert on Saturday, August 06, 2016 8:55 PM

I hope one of the changes was to place all the circuit breakers and battery knife switch in one cabinet. Preferably in the cab. Currently on the SD70ACe/AH models the battery knife switch is in one compartment behind the cab, a few circuit breakers in a different compartment and the remainder in the back wall cabinet.

It may look like the sloping nose panel would improve visibilty of someone out front, but I doubt if it does. The slope reminds me of the slope on GE engines.  They aren't any better for seeing a trainman out on the front steps when switching.  For good visibility, nothing beats the standard cab.

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Posted by K. P. Harrier on Wednesday, August 10, 2016 5:28 PM

Sources tell me that an ("an") SD70ACe-T4 was spotted in the Receiving Yard at West Colton Yard (CA) earlier today, around 11:30 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time.

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Posted by Michigan on Sunday, August 14, 2016 6:50 AM

jeffhergert

I hope one of the changes was to place all the circuit breakers and battery knife switch in one cabinet. Preferably in the cab. Currently on the SD70ACe/AH models the battery knife switch is in one compartment behind the cab, a few circuit breakers in a different compartment and the remainder in the back wall cabinet.

It may look like the sloping nose panel would improve visibilty of someone out front, but I doubt if it does. The slope reminds me of the slope on GE engines.  They aren't any better for seeing a trainman out on the front steps when switching.  For good visibility, nothing beats the standard cab.

Jeff 

 

 

all equipment on back wall of cab. check out EMD/Progress Rail SD70Ace-4 video

 

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