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One for the Alco experts...
Posted by areibel on Friday, March 25, 2016 3:48 PM

I'm trying to find out more about the body differences between an Alco RS-3 and an RSD-5.  I've checked a couple different sources and some say they're the same, some say the RSD is 6.75 longer.  The Kalmbach book "Diesel Locomotives" lumps them all together even though it mentions the larger generator on the RSD. 

A quick search of the magazine index doesn't show much for drawings, anyone know of a source?  I'm trying to figure out how much work it would be to bash the RSD-5 out of the RS-3.

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Posted by 16-567D3A on Friday, March 25, 2016 5:00 PM

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Posted by NorthWest on Friday, March 25, 2016 8:11 PM

As you note, the RSD5 was 6.75'' longer than the RS3 (and the RSD4). I think it is reasonable to assume that the hood was extended about this far. Otherwise they are essentially identical above the frame.

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Posted by DSchmitt on Sunday, March 27, 2016 6:23 AM

The dimensions from the wikipedia articles are essentially the same.

RS-3      WB 39' 4", L  56' 6", W 10' 1-5/8", H 14' 5-1/4"

RSD-5    WB 42' 3"  L 56' 6",  W 10' 1-5/8", H 14' 5-1/8" 

The difference in WB is because the 4-axel trucks are pivoted at their center. The pivot of the 6-axel trucks is offset.  The RS-3 has a longer fuel tank.

Drawings on the Railroad Paint Shop site http://paintshop.railfan.net/  While the drawings are not dimensioned they appear to show the locomotives as being the same length, width and height.  This was the only site where I found a  RSD-5 drawing.  .

Model Railroader Oct 1996 pg 148 has an article on bashing a N scale  RSD5 from a RS-3 (Atlas shell) and an Atlas RSD-12 frame.

The Feb 1978 Model Railroade has a drawing of an RS-3  The dimensions are slightly different than Wikipedia  WB 30' 0", L 55' 11-3/4", W 10' 2", H 14' 5-?/8".

 I think the WB in both wikipedia articles is wrong.    I think the WB are approx 30' and 35'

 

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Posted by SSW9389 on Sunday, March 27, 2016 7:16 AM

Cotton Belt Folio 725 locomotive diagrams for the RS-3 show WB 39' 4"; L 56' 6"; W 9' 11 1/2"; and H 14' 10 1/8" to top of horn on cab. The 30' measurement is the distance between truck centers.

 

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Posted by DSchmitt on Sunday, March 27, 2016 7:37 AM

SSW9389

Cotton Belt Folio 725 locomotive diagrams for the RS-3 show WB 39' 4"; L 56' 6"; W 9' 11 1/2"; and H 14' 10 1/8" to top of horn on cab. The 30' measurement is the distance between truck centers.

 

 

You are correct about the 30' being truck centers. How is the WB measured?

 

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Ah! I see, you are correct.  The WB is measured to the center of the outermost wheels,

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Posted by SSW9389 on Sunday, March 27, 2016 7:46 AM

There is more than one Alco RS-3 specification. Both lengths are correct. Extra 2200 South issue #55 has data from Ken Douglas showing the 55' 11 3/4" overall length. The difference is in the ends. The Cotton Belt drawings I cited earlier have an extra 3" length on each end.

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