CP receiving more new GP20C-ECOs

[Leo_Ames]

Surprised to see that CPR has some GP9s up for sale, as reported by the newswire.

Is the GP20C-ECO program finished on CPR? 

[Leo_Ames]

30 more SD30C-ECO''s for 2015. 

http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/2015/02/canadian-pacific-orders-additions-sd30c-ecos

[Leo_Ames]

If they're the ones I'm thinking of, it wasn't worth moving them since they couldn't roll on their own wheels and would've required repairs. So they're being salvaged for the trade-in components and being scrapped where they are rather than moving dead in tow to a scrapper. 

[AgentKid]

YoHo1975

what I'm asking is if this new order is using the parts off the CP GP9s that were parted out initially up in BC.

All of these rebuilds are coming from the exercise you mention. I have read recently that other GP9's have bit the dust, but they are going straight to scrap.

Bruce

[Shuswap2501]

Saw CP SD30C - ECO #5000 behind 2 GEs sitting outside of KAMLOOPS on a westbound coal train today. Also 3 SD40-2s sitting at Page.

[Bryan Jones]

CP made no efforts to cancel the GP20C-ECO order. It was the SD30C-ECO order that Hunter Harrison tried to cancel, though it was too late as production had already started on the initial 20 unit order and CP had to accept these units. The option for additional units, up to 330 more, has placed on hold. Currently the SD30C-ECO's are being shifted to coal service for performance comparison to SD40-2. Data will be evaluated to determine whether additional SD30C-ECO's should be ordered or whether the SD40-2's should be rebuilt in-kind.

Bryan Jones

[GDRMCo]

Rebuild is such a strong word, donor is too. These units are completely new with the only reused part being the bogies (with new traction motors and axles iirc).

[YoHo1975]

Right, I get that, what I'm asking is if this new order is using the parts off the CP GP9s that were parted out initially up in BC. Or if this is a new set of units that's been culled from the Roster? Or do this come from somewhere else? OR, are they not cutting anything up per se. Using parts that were already pulled from existing?

[NorthWest]

GP9s, but "donor" is a relative term, since very little is actually reused. Unlike other "rebuilds" these have all new frames, prime movers, hoods, and cabs. I think that all the traded in locomotives were CP GP9s. 

[YoHo1975]

What are the donors for these units? Are these still some of the Geeps that were originally parted out or are these a new set? Perhaps not even off the CP?

[NorthWest]

Thanks, that makes sense. The Class Ones are dumping 567-powered locomotives rapidly at this point.

[Leo_Ames]

I don't think they had anything to get out of. They simply changed their plans. If there was a contract, I suspect it was for options that they weren't obligated to pick up. But you're remembering correctly. 

It seems to have primarily impacted their plans for SD30C-ECO's which they originally envisioned purchasing 350 of. Hunter Harrison coming in and deciding that the best way to make money is to not spend any changed that and it seems to have been drastically scaled down. 

The GP20C-ECO program doesn't seem to have been impacted to such a degree, if at all. They apparently view replacing their GP9's and such as a more urgent priority than SD40-2's, which certainly makes sense. 

Kind of out of the loop on this stuff now that Canadian Railway Observations, an excellent source on Canadian locomotive news, has gone subscriber only. 

[NorthWest]

I seem to remember CP trying to get out of purchasing these. Any word, or faulty memory?

[beaulieu]

EMD has begun building the latest batch of GP20C-ECOs for CP. The first of 60 locomotives to be numbered CP 2270 -2329, have started to appear out back at EMD Muncie. CP 2274 is the highest number seen so far.