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Posted by GDRMCo on Friday, May 23, 2014 5:31 AM

Seems to have more of a rake than the Zephyrs....

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Posted by tomikawaTT on Friday, May 23, 2014 4:23 AM

GDRMCo

Someone say shovel nose?

SHOVEL nose, not CHISEL nose!

Incidentally, did anyone notice that both the RENFE and Shinkansen examples are MU cars, not locomotives?  When you can put a traction motor on every axle, who needs a locomotive?

Almost hate to say this, but the Zephyr and its steam contemporaries have always reminded me of inverted bathtubs.  OTOH the original Shinkansen and the N&W J and K2 really do look like speeding bullets - .45 caliber pistol bullets, to be specific.

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Posted by GDRMCo on Wednesday, May 21, 2014 8:02 PM

Someone say shovel nose?

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Posted by rcdrye on Wednesday, May 21, 2014 12:31 PM

CSSHEGEWISCH

Shovel-noses were not that uncommon in that era, especially with St. Louis Car-built carbodies such as the Electroliners and various motor cars such as SAL 2027-2028, various FM-powered cars on Southern, etc.  They don't provide a lot of collision protection, though.

As amply proven by the replacement cab and nose on 9900 after a 1939 collision with a freight train.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:59 AM

Shovel-noses were not that uncommon in that era, especially with St. Louis Car-built carbodies such as the Electroliners and various motor cars such as SAL 2027-2028, various FM-powered cars on Southern, etc.  They don't provide a lot of collision protection, though.

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Posted by chutton01 on Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:21 AM

Well, if you're looking for modern Shovel-Nose-On-Steriods locomotives....

You do realize many modern passenger locomotives do have a slanted front end similiar to the early Zephyrs (which admittedly look pretty cool), within the constraints required for collision protection:



Yes, not as ornate as the original GMs, but consider the direction GM ended up going (the Bulldog nose cabs of many models of E & F units - not really the sloped flat front you're probably looking for).

Old-Skool Zephyr for comparison (and no, I'm not posting an E or F unit, you guys can handle that).

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New locomotive idea
Posted by zkr123 on Tuesday, May 20, 2014 10:05 PM

I would love to see someone like EMD come up with a modern version of the Pioneer Zephyr locomotive. I think it would look great pulling the new Talgo sets for whomever gets them in the midwest. 

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