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Update on future BNSF, CP ECO rebuilds

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Posted by YoHo1975 on Saturday, December 8, 2012 11:30 PM

They are not my pictures which is why I linked the gallery only and the Gentleman that took them is using them to make the Overland Brass model of the engine. So I'm sure he's saving those pictures for after the model's release.

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Posted by southernalco on Friday, December 7, 2012 7:17 AM

Do you have any overhead photos of the fans and dimensions.

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Posted by CPM500 on Wednesday, December 5, 2012 9:05 AM

re: 20-645 crankcase

 

The  production "cure" was to change the shape of the feet on the crankcase A-frames and increase the size of the fillet weld that attached the feet to the crankcase.

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Posted by YoHo1975 on Monday, December 3, 2012 3:31 PM

First of the GP20C-ECOs have been spotted out of Muncie.

http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?locomotive=EMD%20GP20C-ECO

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Posted by Bryan Jones on Monday, November 12, 2012 5:07 AM

this has nothing to do with quality control issues at Progress Rail.

the issue with the crankcase in the 20-645 prime mover was nothing more than a design flaw that was quickly corrected. The crankshaft's were fine.

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Posted by creepycrank on Friday, November 9, 2012 1:37 PM

The problem with the early 20 cylinder crankcases was that they weren't stiff enough. The fix was to place 3/4 inch flat bars in the bottom of the air box and using longer bolts fasten the whole thing down to the oil pan. Generator engines repaired in this way ran fine at 2750 KW or about 3800 hp.

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Posted by bubbajustin on Friday, November 9, 2012 12:43 PM

Just like the SD45's were back in the day. the crank's just couldn't handle the 3600 horsepower. EMD later went back and re-engineered them and they worked fine. However  some RR's did de-rate them to 3200 horse if I remember correctly. 

Not really much different than a recall on an automobile, just on a 200-ton locomotive.  

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Posted by CPM500 on Monday, October 29, 2012 4:49 PM

Most warranty work is handled in the field. Work that is not implies....all kinds of additional costs to all involved parties,

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Posted by beaulieu on Friday, October 26, 2012 12:02 PM

Union Pacific's latest order of ES44AC locomotives and BNSF's latest order of SD70ACe locomotives both were sidelined right after delivery with warranty covered issues. So unfortunately it isn't that unusual.

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Posted by CPM500 on Monday, October 22, 2012 5:00 PM

The F40's outshopped from Mayfield for MNRR & METRA have been problematic and have needed warranty attention.

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Posted by carnej1 on Monday, October 22, 2012 11:22 AM

The GP22ECOs are going to be almost new locomotives with brand new frames,cabs,carbodies, all new engines and electrical equipment..all that's being used from the "donor" units is trucks and traction motors..

The SD32ECOS will be built on "recycled" SD frames but will be new from the frame up...

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Posted by CNW 6000 on Monday, October 22, 2012 7:38 AM

CPM500

The equipment turned out of that Mayfield shop appears to be 'junk.' Wonder how long the dud who has oversight responsibility for this business gets ejected ?

From what I understand about the CP project, the units sent for rebuilding are "cores" only...and you wouldn't want to send "good" power in, would you?

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Posted by YoHo1975 on Friday, October 19, 2012 6:21 PM

Um, care to further explain?

The CP GP20s are being built in Muncie, The BNSF SD32s are being built in Tacoma.

Only the first of the CP SD30s are being built in Mayfield and they aren't due out till November. 

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Update on future BNSF, CP ECO rebuilds
Posted by CPM500 on Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:28 PM

The equipment turned out of that Mayfield shop appears to be 'junk.' Wonder how long the dud who has oversight responsibility for this business gets ejected ?

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