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Posted by ClinchValleySD40 on Saturday, October 9, 2010 5:38 AM

Sorry to say, this week we lost one

http://www.flickr.com/photos/52481330@N05/5064658204/

Being scrapped on spot.   A few more on the property, hopefully not to the same fate.

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Posted by climaxpwr on Monday, September 6, 2010 10:16 AM

Localy none now, but back in the early 90s the new local shortline leased a pair of ex Milw units from the Indiana Transportation Museum, FP7 96 and F7 83, both painted in the Cream and Crimsion Monon passenger colors, 96 with a true Mars light in the upper casing and 83 with a Gyralite.  The shortline used these units for several years till they managed to aquire 3 ex BN GP10's  Was great to see a pair of F units in daily freight serivce.    Mike

 

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Posted by Leo_Ames on Friday, September 3, 2010 5:59 PM

thayer north sub

Branson  Scenic  Railway in Branson Mo. Ex F-9 unit , ex B&0.         Brian.

The Baltimore & Ohio never owned a factory built EMD F9 and never had EMD upgrade and rebuild any of their F3's and F7's to F9 specifications like Union Pacific did..

That locomotive is a EMD F7 built in early 1951. It recieved a nose from a scrapped Canadian National FP9 later in life after a wreck, which I imagine is when some may of started calling it a F9.

 

 

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Posted by thayer north sub on Friday, September 3, 2010 10:12 AM

Branson  Scenic  Railway in Branson Mo. Ex F-9 unit , ex B&0.         Brian.

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Posted by THayman on Wednesday, August 25, 2010 12:00 PM

 VIA Rail still has one GMD FP9 (#6300) operating as a yard switcher at their Vancouver Maintenance centre.

 

Additionally, VIA was still running FP9s in Northern Quebec service at least as recently as 2002. Here is one at Senneterre, Quebec, in March of 2002. With the delivery of VIA's GE P42DCs (late 2001), it was soon possible to reassign F40PH locomotives to these trains.

 

Interestingly enough, VIA is now using leased ex-GO transit F59PH locomotives on that same route, which makes for interesting consists.

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Posted by ungern on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 8:48 PM

 It looks like for the link that any diesel locomotive made before 1973 is exempt so I guess that the classic F units are safe from the EPA.Smile

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Posted by creepycrank on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 4:51 PM
ungern

 I wonder if the EPA emissions requirements would take the remaining stock F units out of service since 567 diesels are not the cleanest diesels.

 

Ungern

Here's the answer to your question. http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/loco.php 567 engines went out of production at the end of 1965. Any crankcase with round hand hole covers can be converted to use 645 power assemblies if you remember that the counterweights on the cam shafts and the correct "p" pipes are installed, at least for the first go round. any engine with 645 power paks can be upgraded to Tier 0 with the new 1033 kit. Mostly what that does is to furnish better oil control rings to reduce the lube oil consumption and a better oil separator for the crankcase breather, and improved fuel injectors.
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Posted by creepycrank on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 12:42 PM
Napa Napa Wine Tours has that other F, an ALCO FA from MLW. The interesting thing about loco number 73 is that it has a spark ignited, gas fueled 16-645 engine converted for this purpose by Energy Conversions in Tacoma. I guess Californians can breath easier now. http://www.energyconversions.com/picturessip.htm
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 6:27 AM

not for museum and dinner trains, any locomotive not being worked to death will not be effected by the EPA rules, yes owners will have to be very carefull not to exceed any replacement of power assemblies not exceeding 1/8 of total cylinders per year.

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Posted by ungern on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 12:50 AM

 I wonder if the EPA emissions requirements would take the remaining stock F units out of service since 567 diesels are not the cleanest diesels.

 

Ungern

If mergers keep going won't there be only 2 railroads? The end of an era will be lots of boring paint jobs.
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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, August 5, 2010 6:48 AM
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Posted by tomikawaTT on Wednesday, August 4, 2010 3:54 PM

Rigby1

Maine Eastern runs a couple of very pretty FL9's.

Are those the PanAm units in the photo in the DownEaster extension thread?  Lovely shade of blue.

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Posted by smpx on Wednesday, August 4, 2010 3:05 PM

Plus, the two FP7's at Stone Mountain Park Railroad. These two FP's were moved to the State owned Park from the defunct New Georgia Railroad, which was also State owned. Steam generators have long been removed but the remaining makeup is original.

#3499 was NS #3499 from SR(CNO&TP) #6147. SMP has renumbered 6147 in ugly solid green.

#3498 was NS, SR(CNO&TP)#6143 and has be reunmbered 6143 painted in SR green/white.

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Posted by upjake on Saturday, July 31, 2010 1:45 PM

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tree68

chad thomas

 Don't know the story, but I caught this one working at Plaster City,Ca, about 3 weeks ago.


Former "Spirit of Washington" dinner train.

Adirondack Scenic currently has three F's running.  1500 (F7A) is handling the local trains in Thendara.  1502 (F7A) and 1508 (F10) are handling the Utica trains.

Interesting.  Don't think I have seen a single F unit running 'backwards' before.

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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Friday, July 30, 2010 8:20 PM

Just an update the 3 FL-9's that the ADRX had were cut up this week in Syracuse.

 only F unit from MNCR at ADRX is former MNCR 412 now 1508.

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Friday, July 30, 2010 3:33 PM

scottlyke

The Wisconsin Great Northern Railroad in Spooner, WI has an ex-Chicago & NorthWestern F7 #423.  My wife and I were married on a chartered train using the 423 as the motive power.

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  Small world-  I just saw that engine driving through Spooner on Wednesday.Approve

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Posted by scottlyke on Friday, July 30, 2010 1:30 PM

The Wisconsin Great Northern Railroad in Spooner, WI has an ex-Chicago & NorthWestern F7 #423.  My wife and I were married on a chartered train using the 423 as the motive power.

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Posted by tree68 on Monday, July 26, 2010 3:49 PM

chad thomas

 Don't know the story, but I caught this one working at Plaster City,Ca, about 3 weeks ago.


Former "Spirit of Washington" dinner train.

Adirondack Scenic currently has three F's running.  1500 (F7A) is handling the local trains in Thendara.  1502 (F7A) and 1508 (F10) are handling the Utica trains.

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Posted by flyboy10 on Monday, July 19, 2010 2:57 PM
verde canyon railway has two fp7s
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Posted by daveklepper on Monday, July 12, 2010 2:40 AM

F's could run as fast as E's with proper gearing.   Remember that the Super Chief/El Cap was pulled by F's for a long time and exceeded 100m ph on occasion.   Between "Boston Switch" (north of Pawtucket) and Reaville or Route 128, rode behind New Haven FL-9's at 100 mph.

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Posted by Kootenay Central on Thursday, June 24, 2010 11:44 PM

Thank You.

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Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, June 15, 2010 2:30 PM

 Don't know the story, but I caught this one working at Plaster City,Ca, about 3 weeks ago.


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Posted by TPWRY on Thursday, June 10, 2010 4:17 PM

CSSHEGEWISCH

Peoria & Western has a pair of ex-CN FP9's that regularly work in local freight service.

 

THe Peoria and Western now have a B unit running now with one of the FP9's the other FP9 is in the shop for what now the third or fourth plus time so right now the trains been running with the FP9 (1752) the F9B(1761) and a GP16 (1603) with FP9 1750 in the shop

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Posted by traindreamer on Wednesday, June 9, 2010 5:01 AM
Understood! Very Cool! - Perhaps if we all put the word out to potential buyers we could make their fate all good. $120K? for a locomotive like that in perfect condition is actually a bargain compared to what it usually costs in parts, time, and volunteer labor to restore one. Of course shipping is another issue. But I'm gonna try.
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Posted by Leo_Ames on Wednesday, June 9, 2010 12:55 AM

traindreamer
Why do you hope that the CDOT units get dumped in the ocean?

 I don't, it was an unfortunate typo of leaving off a few letters of a word that completely changed the meaning of my statement. Was corrected within a couple of minutes after posting and before your reply, but apparantly you noticed it before I got to it.

 I don't like seeing anything scrapped or destroyed. I accept that it's a necessary thing much like the cycle of life for humans, but it's never fun to see something like a beautiful locomotive (Which I'd certainly considered any cab unit like a FL9 to be), a ship, a bridge, a beautiful house, and so on destroyed due to the march of time. So I'm always hoping there's a chance of a different fate. :)

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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tuesday, June 8, 2010 8:12 PM

Non of Adirindack Scenic FL-9's are running.

 The CDOT FL-9's are for sale, but don't expect them to come cheap, fairly new(1996)Locomotive, fairly new prime mover and a even more recent HEP (2000)

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Posted by traindreamer on Tuesday, June 8, 2010 6:24 PM
Thank you for the news about the FL9s at Adirondack Scenic. It warms my heart.
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Posted by traindreamer on Tuesday, June 8, 2010 6:19 PM
Thank You JV - I had a feeling It was a lie. Do you know if CONDOT has any plans for them?
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Posted by firstbelt on Tuesday, June 8, 2010 11:48 AM

Adirondack Scenic has a few each of F and FL9 on their roster.  Not sure if they're all running.  Some are painted in NYC-inspired gray w/lightning stripe.  As mentioned previously, check out the Diesel Shop site.

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