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The revolving, eccentric headlight
Posted by nody on Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:37 PM

I remember seeing these back in the 1960's, on E series. They seemed like a great safety advantage.

 

Was this headlight type called Mars? Was that the manufacturer's name or something else?

Which loco's had them?

Which RR's used them?

Why did they go away?

Were they gov't mandated?

Were they a distraction to the train crew?

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Posted by TomDiehl on Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:00 PM

They were usually called a Mars Light, after the company that made them.

Many locomotives, both late steam and diesel had them, as ordered or modified by the owner.

A rather broad question, you'd probably find it easier to research the other way around (Did ABR Railroad locomotive 123 have a Mars Light?)

They were a victim of mechanical complexity, The revolving was done mechanically and the extra maintenance on this wasn't worth the expense, especially when replaced with the likes of ditch lights.

Never mandated that I know of.

Distraction? Imagine going through a tunnel with that thing running.

Smile, it makes people wonder what you're up to. Chief of Sanitation; Clowntown
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Posted by Railway Man on Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:00 PM

 
There were two common types -- the Mars Light, which rotated in a figure-8 pattern, and the Gyralight, which oscillated in a back and forth pattern (usually horizontally).  Mars Lights was a trade name of the Mars Signal Light Manufacturing Company, which is still in business as Tri Light, Inc., and sells primarily to the emergency vehicle (fire truck) market.  Gyralight was a trade name of Pyle Company.

Generally Mars Lights and Gyralights were installed as auxilliary headlights to a standard fixed headlight, with a separate on-off switch and in some cases a separate switch to turn the motor drive on and off, too.  Some railroads wired the Gyralight or Mars Light to only activate in case of an emergency brake application.   In most cases railroads installed them to provide additional warning to motorists at road crossings.

Oscillating headlights were used primarily on road freight and passenger locomotives on many railroads -- I don't have a complete list and since we're talking a period of 40+ years of use, and more than 600 railroads including all the short lines that might have had 1 or more at some point in time, a complete list can be someone else's retirement research project.

Mars Lights and Gyralights were eliminated because they were a maintenance item, and under FRA regulations, if they were installed then they had to be maintained in operating condition.  But there were not required by FRA regulation to be installed -- only to be maintained if installed.  When ditch lights were mandated by the FRA, railroads using oscillating lights removed them as the ditch light served the same purpose for liability purposes, and the ditch light unlike the oscillating light had to be installed.

I never thought they were a distraction from the engine crew's point of view nor did I ever hear a complaint about them, but then I have always been a visitor from the operating, engineering, or other department in the locomotive cab, not a regular train service employee.

RWM

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Posted by nody on Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:05 PM

Thanks for the reply Tom.

 

Regarding your signature tag, I have another question for you:

Why won't cannibals eat clowns?

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Posted by nody on Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:15 PM

Thanks railway man,

 

An interesting corolary is the red revolving "beacon" on the belly and/or top of an aircraft fuselage. It is an FAA mandated item for night or IFR (instrument) flying.

A common maintenance write up would be, "beacon burn/no turn" i.e. the bulbs lasted longer that the rotation motor.

Neverheless you now had a broke airplane for want of a little 12 vdc electric motor.

Eventually the FAA apporved a red lense over a white strobe light, and they are the standard on all aircraft built since.

You have to see an old Northwest DC-9 to see an actual rotating beacon anymore on an airliner, and half the time it's either not rotating or one or both incandesant bulbs are burned out.

 

Come to think of it, most police cars have some kind of colored strobe on the roof these days too.

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Posted by rrnut282 on Tuesday, January 13, 2009 4:39 PM

NWA DC9s aren't the only a/c with a rotating beacon in the air.  I will grant you that they are the easiest to find.  Practically anything built before 1990 had them.

IIRC, the DC9 had a 24v DC bus, not 12.  It's been 20 years since I spooled one up, so I could be wrong.

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Posted by nody on Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:53 PM

Good catch...actually i was thinking about small general aviation aircraft when I said 12 vdc. All the large transport category jet aircraft run on 115 vac 400hz, though they do have t/r's to give them 28 vdc for some items that need it. I can't remember if the lights are one of them, but it sounds familiar.

Piston engine singles and twins are 12 vdc, turboprops and regional jets/business jets are 28 vdc. Some fancier avionics require 115 vac and there's an inverter for that.

 All very puny by train standards!

Planes have to be as light as possible to work right, and locomotives have to be as heavy as possible to work right!Big Smile

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Posted by Deggesty on Thursday, January 15, 2009 9:48 PM

Nody, if you are interested in more discussion of these lights, go to page 4 (as of today) on the General Discussion Forum, and look for "Pyle Gyralight."

Yes, why won't cannibals eat clowns?

Johnny

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Posted by nody on Friday, January 16, 2009 5:49 PM

Thanks for the reference Johnny...

 

 

Why won't cannibals eat clowns?

 

"Cause they taste funny!"

 

 

(hey, this is a "G" rated siteWink)

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Posted by wjstix on Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:10 PM

Generally they were used as the upper headlight on a passenger engine. There are plenty of exceptions, but a lot of times you can tell whether a railroad intended an F unit to be used for freight or passenger service by whether it had one headlight (freight) or two (passenger).

The Mars light was originally designed by a working railroader as I recall, but I don't remember the name. Eventually he got backing from Mr.Mars - the same guy making the candy bars.  

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Posted by nody on Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:46 PM

wjstix

Generally they were used as the upper headlight on a passenger engine. There are plenty of exceptions, but a lot of times you can tell whether a railroad intended an F unit to be used for freight or passenger service by whether it had one headlight (freight) or two (passenger).

The Mars light was originally designed by a working railroader as I recall, but I don't remember the name. Eventually he got backing from Mr.Mars - the same guy making the candy bars.  

 

 

Now that's just the intersting thing I was wondering about, the Mars candy connection, when I first saw guys discussing "Mars lights" in another thread. I wondered also that I only remembered seeing them on passenger covered wagons, E's & F's, I guess. I never remembered seeing them on a freight loco, though my experience pales compared to most of you.

That's the great thing about you guys...so much wonderful info out there...thanks!

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Posted by stevosrfs on Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:15 PM
as a kid my weekends were generally spent as a bored passenger going to horse shows with my parents . consequently i discovered trains and i would entertain myself whatching for trains and looking for railroad tracks as we traversed the great state of texas . one night on our way home from some forgotten horse show southbound on hwy 281 somewhere south of alice,tx. i noticed a strange light bouncing off the low cloud cover . the old southern pacific victoria to brownsville main paralleled the highway from south of falfurias to alice , now all that is left of the tracks are the memories of a 10 year old boy at that time . probably 1971 . as we motored south pulling the horse trailer to edinburg the bright light bouncing off the cloud cover and side to side grew steadily closer . winter time and vegetable season told me that it would be a string of southern pacific fruit express reefers . sure enough as we closed in i was able to see the requisite gp 30 sp loco leading a string of what was probably about 35 to 40 reefers motoring along at about 30 mph followed up by a rust colored radio equipted bay window caboose . as the light traveled off to the north bouncing around like a wino it was visible seemingly forever . i never saw another marrs light equipted sp loco . but the memory still burns fresh in my mind . they pulled the tracks about 1983\4 but i still look for trains when i drive that stretch of highway . funny how the real and surreal imprints itself into the mind , it must be something about the mass of steel in motion and speed that you never forget . i guess thats what makes us railfans . steve rogers
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Posted by nody on Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:41 PM

What a great story Steve. Isn't it amazing how pictures like that are burned into our memories, and thank heaven they are happy  memories. It was about the same time and age that I had a similar vision, but I am going to have to guess it was riding in the back of the family station wagon, going through Tahachipi Mountains. Perhaps they were running the Loop. But I remember the same thing, the Mars light bouncing off the hill sides, scary at first, and then exciting to a young boy.

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Posted by Tugboat Tony on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:42 AM

 This is totally and completely off topic but if anybody has any idea where a fella can get parts for such a light i'd love to talk to you. I have a mars light off an old DRGW GP40-2 i'm trying to get working again

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Posted by enr2099 on Friday, January 30, 2009 6:29 PM

nody

Why did they go away?

 

 

2 words...ditch lights. No moving parts, easier to maintain.

Tyler W. CN hog

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