heritage units other than UP

[trainfan1221]

True but they don't have many of their own locos painted full Conrail colors.  Nice to see one newly painted as such.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

Norfolk Southern painted this locomotive in conrail colors and is in the shared assets in New jersey.

Actually, NS didn't paint it.  Conrail Shared Asset painted it.  They may have been acting on the "asking forgiveness is better than permission" principle!

Maybe not.  Conrail still exists as a rather large terminal railroad to operate the Shared Assets.

[oltmannd]

Norfolk Southern painted this locomotive in conrail colors and is in the shared assets in New jersey.

Actually, NS didn't paint it.  Conrail Shared Asset painted it.  They may have been acting on the "asking forgiveness is better than permission" principle!

[pschuman21]

Yeah its really neat to see old heritage units still in action. Since I do model railroading and have older locos like BN-NP-ATSF. Like just the other day I saw a old (a bit beatup) SOO Line loco in a consist with 3 BNSF locos in Western, Washington, that was cool to see, I just wish I would have had my camera with me. 

[espeefoamer]

CSX was slow to paint units.For several ears you could still see units painted for Chessie System, Family Lines and a few for Seabord Coast Line.BNSF still has quite a few diesels painted in Santa Fe blue/yellow,and some in red/silver paint.There are also a large number of BN green units,and even some in Grinstein colors.

[fafnir242]

I love the Tuscan Red scheme.  That would look very smart indeed on an ES40DC.

[C&OFan1984]

I would like to see CSX do some heritage units like what UP has done in the past. Unlike UP, CSX won't do it because of the "paint budget" that each unit has. I would have loved to have seen CSX leave the SD70MACs that they received from Conrail in the Conrail paint. Also, it wouldn't have hurt CSX to keep a bunch of old C&O, B&O, & Western Maryland units in their 'as new' schemes. I mean, I would love to see an old WM SD40(rebuilt) in the old Circus scheme. Or an old C&O GP15 still in the CHessie paint.

I've done a few "throwbacks" and here they are.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a189/CandOforever14455/Chessie%20System/emdgp15tdbCS1509.jpg

This one is in the Western Maryland Circus scheme. However, it's an SDP35.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a189/CandOforever14455/Chessie%20System/sdp35WM7834.gif

NS' version of NW Tuscan Red scheme.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a189/CandOforever14455/Norfolk%20Southern/gees40dcNS7628.jpg

[SD60M]

Well here is a true heritage unit! BN SD40-2 #6908 is the last true BN SD40-2 on the roster and is pretty much hidden in BNSF's Tennessee Yards on the trimmer job at the north end of the yard. Hopefully they wont do anything to it.

[steemtrayn]

Until recently, New Haven FL9s were running in Connecticut.

[Railroader_Sailor_SSN-760]

CSX paint jobs have always and will always be among the worst in the industry.

Chessie System, that was a railroad with a great paint job, and one of the most memorable mascots as well. 

I have always been partial to the Great Northern "Empire Builder" paint scheme, BNSF has done a fair job with it on their engines, but I would much rather see BNSF either go back to being the Burlington Northern and Santa Fe, or to pick a name from one of it's fallen flags, than to be in the "Alphabet Soup League" with the antichrist of the railroad world, CSX. 

I remember seeing a photo of a Chessie caboose that CSX had painted for use in one of it's railyards a few years ago. Probally the best looking paint job on any car that CSX has put out in the last 20 years.  But, with the caboose being stuck to yard useage, and the interior sealed off, so the caboose is basically a transfer platform.

One of the things that irks me about modern railroading is how some roads will basically disavow their past. CSX is the biggest criminal in that, with BNSF trailing behind. (Again with the Alphabet Soup League.)

I once sent a letter to CSX asking if they were going to have a heritage program, and the response (phone call nontheless) I received was along the lines of the railroad being a business and not a museum.

That was a few years ago, and I am sure that the "I hate CSX club" still has more members than the CSX fan club.

I would definitely love to see more railroads do like UP and KCS and show the public the colors and flags of the past that have made them who they are today.

NS has never gotten much for good marks in my book regarding it's heritage due to the reasoning given for cancelling the Steam program that the Southern Railway had started. It is nice to see the NS Heritage GP59, but there has been nothing else so far, not even a N&W painted engine to complement the SR GP59.

I know railroading is a business to made a profit, but it definitely seems that with the notable exceptions of UP and KCS, the remainder of the Class 1s have little to no interest in history.

One final note on this, has any one else noticed that CSX seems to have more people that dislike it than any other railroad?

I have yet to find a website that corresponds to www.csx-sucks.com for the other Class 1s.

[trainfan1221]

what with csx's new paint scheme,it wouldn't take to much to make a C&O or B&O heritage unit.

mike t.

It seems to be almost essentially what they are doing.  But I understand it isn't a nod to history on their part.   I do like the newer scheme better.

[Cris_261]

R.I.P. D&RGW 5371. The last time I saw 5371 was a couple years ago at the south end of the North Salt Lake yard on the head end of a train waiting for a signal to head south.

On a different note, I wonder how a Amtrak Genesis loco would look with the red nose and "pointless arrow" logo.

[EJE818]

DRGW 5371 is already retired, it had some serious motor problems so it was retired. UP has said the next place 5371 will be is in a museum though. It was in Cheyenne where UP's historic stuff is stored, and is where SP 1518 was stored until it was donated to IRM. At least it won't be scrapped or patched. 5371 dodged the patch numerous times at Roper, as it was supposed to be patched several times. The same thing happened to CNW 8646 and 8701 which are also not to be repainted until a major failure, but they kept dodging the patch due thanks to Proviso. The same thing happened with CNW 8575, but when 8575 went out on a trip west and went away from the clutches of Proviso it got patched at Hinckle. The funny thing is when 5371 was sent to Salt Lake City for a patch, UP's president sent them a letter saying not to patch it. If the letter arrived any later 5371 probably would've been patched already.

[Stevo3751]

It seems like UP takes more pride in their heritage. D&RGW #5371, according to UP, will not be repainted into Armour Yellow. Except that's probably because it is getting ready to be retired like some of the other SD40 series units.

[mltoth30]

what with csx's new paint scheme,it wouldn't take to much to make a C&O or B&O heritage unit.

mike t.

[EJE818]

Another thing is some Es or Fs would look quite nice on the business train! How about some heritage warbonnet Fs for that train?

[SD60M]

I also would like to see BNSF heritage engines. How about a ES44DC in nice fresh warbonnet paint? That would probably be the neatest GEVO to hit the rails!

How about a SD70ACe with the BN Executive or Whiteface scheme's. Ohh man those would be some smart looking EMDs!

[al-in-chgo]

I also would like to see BNSF heritage engines. How about a ES44DC in nice fresh warbonnet paint? That would probably be the neatest GEVO to hit the rails!

I've seen "nice old" but reasonably attractive warbonnets go thru Rochelle; and of course there are the BNSF's with yellow warbonnet over orange (what generation is that?? Heritage Two??).

Maybe if enough people ask often enough BNSF might detail some of its newer fleet in deliberate ATSF and/or BN colors. 

On this topic, does anyone know what caused the UP to change its tune and introduce some genuine, new, fallen-flag paint jobs on the engines?  Maybe BNSF could roll with that kind of argument, too.  All conjecture, of course.  I've already complained to Mr. Rose but inasmuch as I am not a stockholder, no chance of changing his mind on the strength of my e-mail. 

[EJE818]

I also would like to see BNSF heritage engines. How about a ES44DC in nice fresh warbonnet paint? That would probably be the neatest GEVO to hit the rails!

[Tjsingle]

Norfolk Southern painted this locomotive in conrail colors and is in the shared assets in New jersey.

[NSlover92]

Norfolk Southern 4610 is painted in Southern RR colors with a Southern herald on the hood.

Interesting I never knew that exsisted, thats really cool wish that would get over to Sandusky, Ohio or Bellevue on a day I'm there. Mike 

[fafnir242]

Personally, though this may sound strange, I think Amtrak should do something like that.  I mean, look how diverse the equipment was back in the early 70s.  Idk, just a thought.

That could be interesting, harkening to the "rainbow" era on Amtrak, but the other railroads own the trademarks and I doubt they would let their colors run around on Amtrak.

Or...are you referring to Amtrak repainting a few units into some of their own former colors, e.g. orange nose, Phase I striping with narrow white, Pepsi can, etc??  IMHO doing this could add some fun variety to Amtrak trains.

Actually, I was referring to the "rainbow era", but I didn't think of the trademarks.  That would be a bit of a problem, wouldn't it.  However, I didn't think about just repainting into old paint schemes.  That might be interesting.  Except, do some cars, too, instead of just the units.

[al-in-chgo]

CP has its business train power in original wine red and gray and the NS business train power is in original SR black and white.  Keep in mind that one of the reasons that UP developed the Heritage Fleet was to protect the trademarks. 

I may be totally wrong on this but IIRC the Southern Rwy.'s passenger hauling "F" units came in two trim colors:  green and brown.  I remember from growing up in Southwestern Virginia near Bristol in the 1960s, the brown ones (A+B) hauling the Birmingham Special were the exception to the "change locomotives at Bristol" norm. 

Later, in the Seventies, I had the pleasure of riding Mr. Graham Claytor's baby, the refurbished "Southern Crescent," and IIRC its motive power was green.  The black units seem to have the exact same paint format, I just don't recall any passenger units of that day being black.  Perhaps the black color was a sop to the N&W side of the family, because they had gone to whitish lettering on black bodies even before the N&W / Southern merger in 1982. 

Also, and again IIRC, the Norfolk never owned locomotives of the EMD "E" or "F" variety.  Stuart Saunders, almost from the minute he took office in 1955, started planning to dieselize the fleet.  The engines that wound up hauling N&W varnish post-J class were not carbodies; they looked more like the typical freight-hauling locomotive of the period.  (Those I remember from "The Pelican," where the Norfolk did indeed use its own head-end power between Lynchburg, VA and Bristol, VA/TN.)  

 

[AlcoRS11Nut]

BNSF should come out with heritage units...wouldn't it be great to see say a modern diesel locomotive in say in the Northern Pacific "Empire Builder" paint scheme; or Northern Pacific; or Spokane, Portland & Seattle?

[MILW205]

Personally, though this may sound strange, I think Amtrak should do something like that.  I mean, look how diverse the equipment was back in the early 70s.  Idk, just a thought.

That could be interesting, harkening to the "rainbow" era on Amtrak, but the other railroads own the trademarks and I doubt they would let their colors run around on Amtrak.

Or...are you referring to Amtrak repainting a few units into some of their own former colors, e.g. orange nose, Phase I striping with narrow white, Pepsi can, etc??  IMHO doing this could add some fun variety to Amtrak trains.

[EJE818]

KCS and NS already have somewhat of heritage engines already, NS with the F units and 4610, and KCS with the Southern Belle scheme. I'd like to see CN do heritage engines nut that probably won't happen. Just think of all the roads they could do, GM&O, IC, DM&IR, B&LE, GTW, DWP, BC Rail, and perhaps EJ&E if the merge goes through. CP already has a "heritage" fleet with their Fs, 2816, a GP38-2 in the old paint, plus their D&H engines that I believe will be staying in D&H paint. Oh yes, and they still have lots of SOO power left including the old bandits.

[al-in-chgo]

In a sense, KCS is returning to its own heritage because it is phasing out those blah grey-and-yellow-diag freight engines in favor of a "Southern Belle" type scheme.  A recent note in TRAINS quoted the pres. to the effect that they could afford to do that now that the road is more profitable.

 

[JoeKoh]

csx has a 2667 seaboard unit.there were a few chessies being used as slug units in various yards.I also like the southern unit as well.hope ns keeps her in good shape.

stay safe

Joe

[Tjsingle]

Norfolk and Southern/ CSX is way to frugal to paint heritage units, plus there are alot of  ex conrail units, look a Juniata shops rip tracks, B23-7's every where. Another thing is I just won't be the same with a SD70m-2 or whatever in conrail colors.

Conrail For ever, and Death to CSX/NS

Tjsingle