Does anyone know where I could get a current GE P42DC locomotive manual FAST?
HF1001
hf1001 wrote: Does anyone know where I could get a current GE P42DC locomotive manual FAST? HF1001
Planning on hijacking an Amtrak train?
Actually no, I have checked on Ebay alot but was never able to buy one. I'm a 12 year old kid that has already learned how to drive a locomotive from 2 sim programs but I just would like to have one to check if I'm right. As soon as I can I will try to become an engineer. With my love for trains I would never do that!!!
Hope you understand, Heartland Flyer 1001
hf1001 wrote: Actually no, I have checked on Ebay alot but was never able to buy one. I'm a 12 year old kid that has already learned how to drive a locomotive from 2 sim programs but I just would like to have one to check if I'm right. As soon as I can I will try to become an engineer. With my love for trains I would never do that!!! Hope you understand, Heartland Flyer 1001
I am a engineer and have been for years but in all that time i have never driven or drove or do i drive a train. so just how do you drive a train, or locomotive?
wabash1 wrote: hf1001 wrote: Actually no, I have checked on Ebay alot but was never able to buy one. I'm a 12 year old kid that has already learned how to drive a locomotive from 2 sim programs but I just would like to have one to check if I'm right. As soon as I can I will try to become an engineer. With my love for trains I would never do that!!! Hope you understand, Heartland Flyer 1001I am a engineer and have been for years but in all that time i have never driven or drove or do i drive a train. so just how do you drive a train, or locomotive?
Simple Wabash , you get in behind one of them loco critters and coax them along with a bull whip, drive em west boy !
1 Start locomotive
2 Put in reverser lever
3 release brakes
4 put in forward
5 run 1
hf1001 wrote: 1 Start locomotive2 Put in reverser lever3 release brakes4 put in forward5 run 1
well im sure glad your not engineer working where i work. you be a run-a way train already. but you still cant drive a train. there is no run 1... even though most foamers out here will agree with you. but being your only 12 ill go easy on you. ill say this to you , you cant drive a train. think about that.
hf1001 wrote:Actually no, I have checked on Ebay alot but was never able to buy one. I'm a 12 year old kid that has already learned how to drive a locomotive from 2 sim programs but I just would like to have one to check if I'm right. As soon as I can I will try to become an engineer. With my love for trains I would never do that!!! Hope you understand, Heartland Flyer 1001
-Tim
THayman wrote:thank you wabash 1! I am sooo sick of people talking about "driving" trains.... makes me cringe every time...
I had a terrible time when I went into overseas railway work to learn to say sleeper, engine driver, shunter, and goods wagon, so people could understand me, and when I came back to UNLEARN all that so people could understand me again. I still catch myself saying "sleeper" and "shunter" every now and then.
RWM
cprted wrote: THayman wrote:thank you wabash 1! I am sooo sick of people talking about "driving" trains.... makes me cringe every time...I'm pretty sure this debate has cropped up before and as far as I'm concerned, its only about semantics. Besides, what do all those British "Engine Drivers" do all day anyway?
yes this has cropped up before and I exsplained to most what the differance is. but then you bring the british into this well lets see they say the bonnet is out in front of the car, we wear a bonnet and raise the hood. they even drive on the wrong side of the road over there. they dont like they way we drink tea either, we boil it to make it hot put ice in it to make it cold add sugar to sweeten it then add lemon to make it sour. but then again if in rome do as the romans do and since we are in the united states we dont drive trains, and i am not entering 1 for english either.
wabash1 wrote: cprted wrote: THayman wrote:thank you wabash 1! I am sooo sick of people talking about "driving" trains.... makes me cringe every time...I'm pretty sure this debate has cropped up before and as far as I'm concerned, its only about semantics. Besides, what do all those British "Engine Drivers" do all day anyway?yes this has cropped up before and I exsplained to most what the differance is. but then you bring the british into this well lets see they say the bonnet is out in front of the car, we wear a bonnet and raise the hood. they even drive on the wrong side of the road over there. they dont like they way we drink tea either, we boil it to make it hot put ice in it to make it cold add sugar to sweeten it then add lemon to make it sour. but then again if in rome do as the romans do and since we are in the united states we dont drive trains, and i am not entering 1 for english either.
Krazykat112079 wrote:One of the definitions of drive is "to operate or control a vehicle". Are you suggesting that engineers neither operate nor control locomotives? While, sure, it isn't a term used in the industry, you cannot blame someone for properly using a functional synonym.
I have never seen the term control in driving, driving means steering we run engines and the train just comes along. real simple.
wabash1 wrote: Krazykat112079 wrote:One of the definitions of drive is "to operate or control a vehicle". Are you suggesting that engineers neither operate nor control locomotives? While, sure, it isn't a term used in the industry, you cannot blame someone for properly using a functional synonym.I have never seen the term control in driving, driving means steering we run engines and the train just comes along. real simple.
What we need Railway Man to give us the Enclopedia version of the definition. Hopefully, it will clear itself out.
thanks for that, what I mean about me driving a train is that I think I could have the ability to drive or operate one but I've never driven one in real life so I don't know for sure. I'm sorry for all of the trouble I've caused you wabash1.
Sincerely, Rooke Jackson
hf1001 wrote: Krazykat112079 wrote:One of the definitions of drive is "to operate or control a vehicle". Are you suggesting that engineers neither operate nor control locomotives? While, sure, it isn't a term used in the industry, you cannot blame someone for properly using a functional synonym.thanks for that, what I mean about me driving a train is that I think I could have the ability to drive or operate one but I've never driven one in real life so I don't know for sure. I'm sorry for all of the trouble I've caused you wabash1.Sincerely, Rooke Jackson
You have caused no trouble Im just trying to correct a small error. and a simulator is in no way equal to running a train i can say with out a doubt that you would not get a train 2 miles with out tearing it up. no offense but its just the facts a train ( all train) operate differant no 2 trains are the same. and the hardest thing to do is stop a train ,
wabash1 wrote: hf1001 wrote: Krazykat112079 wrote:One of the definitions of drive is "to operate or control a vehicle". Are you suggesting that engineers neither operate nor control locomotives? While, sure, it isn't a term used in the industry, you cannot blame someone for properly using a functional synonym.thanks for that, what I mean about me driving a train is that I think I could have the ability to drive or operate one but I've never driven one in real life so I don't know for sure. I'm sorry for all of the trouble I've caused you wabash1.Sincerely, Rooke JacksonYou have caused no trouble Im just trying to correct a small error. and a simulator is in no way equal to running a train i can say with out a doubt that you would not get a train 2 miles with out tearing it up. no offense but its just the facts a train ( all train) operate differant no 2 trains are the same. and the hardest thing to do is stop a train ,
Wabash1:
There's a new technology that would stop the train quicker than previous system. Do you recall the name of the system?
chefjavier wrote: wabash1 wrote: hf1001 wrote: Krazykat112079 wrote:One of the definitions of drive is "to operate or control a vehicle". Are you suggesting that engineers neither operate nor control locomotives? While, sure, it isn't a term used in the industry, you cannot blame someone for properly using a functional synonym.thanks for that, what I mean about me driving a train is that I think I could have the ability to drive or operate one but I've never driven one in real life so I don't know for sure. I'm sorry for all of the trouble I've caused you wabash1.Sincerely, Rooke JacksonYou have caused no trouble Im just trying to correct a small error. and a simulator is in no way equal to running a train i can say with out a doubt that you would not get a train 2 miles with out tearing it up. no offense but its just the facts a train ( all train) operate differant no 2 trains are the same. and the hardest thing to do is stop a train ,Wabash1:There's a new technology that would stop the train quicker than previous system. Do you recall the name of the system?
Did I say to stop a train quicker? NO i didnt i said stop a train. I can throw one in emergency and stop who cares if the brakes apply quicker, means nothing, but if your pulling up to a stop signal and haft to stop at the clearance point( the usual place to stop) you haft to know what your doing know what your train is doing you just dont act like your in your car or pick up truck and run right up there and stop there is more to it than that, and even the new braking system out there wont allow you to do that, But what do I know ive been paid as a engineer for years and i dont run ( play with ) simulators, But i also never been fired for getting by a stop signal never derailed anything yet Got a few knuckles . the conductor was getting fat i think he needed to walk.
cprted wrote: wabash1 wrote: Krazykat112079 wrote:One of the definitions of drive is "to operate or control a vehicle". Are you suggesting that engineers neither operate nor control locomotives? While, sure, it isn't a term used in the industry, you cannot blame someone for properly using a functional synonym.I have never seen the term control in driving, driving means steering we run engines and the train just comes along. real simple. There is nothing about the word 'drive' that necessitates a control over steering. As someone else has pointed out, while 'drive' may not be the term used by the North American RR industry (though it is an industry term elsewhere in the world), it is not wrong in terms of the english language. This is simply a case of someone not grasping the particular jargon of an industry in which they do not work.
Let me try and exsplain it this way. back in the day Oh i say 1800s people ran around in horse and buggy, and when someone grabed hold of the reins he released the wagon brakes and said geddy up , down south we say git up now , if we was drunk it was HAWWWWW . if we was young we be sport models ( bare back) but no matter what we had the reins and steered the horse the direction we wanted to fall off( im mean go) . the fast forward a few years and along came mr. harley and mr davidson and made a motor driven bike with handle bars for steering ( real handy for running into trees) and the roads where wagon ruts formed we take these bikes and go and go and go , til a train got in are way then we haft to stop. but the trains were just going along going where the rails took them following a path alread laid with no way of changing direction. ( well there was but you didnt go far for very long,) so here i gave you a step back looking at cars horses and motorcycles, they all steer and hence forth your driving them but if i use your logic then if you srive a train then if i am seated up front on a roller coaster am i driving the roller coaster how about if im at the button and push start am i driving it then? its just not right you cant drive if your not steering, then your in control. we control are engines and train by running the engine not driving.
wabash1 wrote:Let me try and exsplain it this way. back in the day Oh i say 1800s people ran around in horse and buggy, and when someone grabed hold of the reins he released the wagon brakes and said geddy up , down south we say git up now , if we was drunk it was HAWWWWW . if we was young we be sport models ( bare back) but no matter what we had the reins and steered the horse the direction we wanted to fall off( im mean go) . the fast forward a few years and along came mr. harley and mr davidson and made a motor driven bike with handle bars for steering ( real handy for running into trees) and the roads where wagon ruts formed we take these bikes and go and go and go , til a train got in are way then we haft to stop. but the trains were just going along going where the rails took them following a path alread laid with no way of changing direction. ( well there was but you didnt go far for very long,) so here i gave you a step back looking at cars horses and motorcycles, they all steer and hence forth your driving them but if i use your logic then if you srive a train then if i am seated up front on a roller coaster am i driving the roller coaster how about if im at the button and push start am i driving it then? its just not right you cant drive if your not steering, then your in control. we control are engines and train by running the engine not driving.
cprted wrote: wabash1 wrote: Let me try and exsplain it this way. back in the day Oh i say 1800s people ran around in horse and buggy, and when someone grabed hold of the reins he released the wagon brakes and said geddy up , down south we say git up now , if we was drunk it was HAWWWWW . if we was young we be sport models ( bare back) but no matter what we had the reins and steered the horse the direction we wanted to fall off( im mean go) . the fast forward a few years and along came mr. harley and mr davidson and made a motor driven bike with handle bars for steering ( real handy for running into trees) and the roads where wagon ruts formed we take these bikes and go and go and go , til a train got in are way then we haft to stop. but the trains were just going along going where the rails took them following a path alread laid with no way of changing direction. ( well there was but you didnt go far for very long,) so here i gave you a step back looking at cars horses and motorcycles, they all steer and hence forth your driving them but if i use your logic then if you srive a train then if i am seated up front on a roller coaster am i driving the roller coaster how about if im at the button and push start am i driving it then? its just not right you cant drive if your not steering, then your in control. we control are engines and train by running the engine not driving.Restated your original assertion with a bizarre attempt at historical contextualization and progressively worse and worse grammar and spelling, doesn't make it more compelling. Is the the fellow stand at the control stand of the roller coaster ride driving the roller coaster? By definition, yes, even though s/he wouldn't ordinarily be thought of as the driver. While in North America, an engineman isn't usually thought of as driving a train, it isn't technically wrong. Though the proper term is operate or run, drive still refers to the same activity. Just like the british term boot. Even though we call it a trunk, a boot and a trunk are the same thing. Just like an Engineman and an Engine Driver.Cheers,Ted
wabash1 wrote: Let me try and exsplain it this way. back in the day Oh i say 1800s people ran around in horse and buggy, and when someone grabed hold of the reins he released the wagon brakes and said geddy up , down south we say git up now , if we was drunk it was HAWWWWW . if we was young we be sport models ( bare back) but no matter what we had the reins and steered the horse the direction we wanted to fall off( im mean go) . the fast forward a few years and along came mr. harley and mr davidson and made a motor driven bike with handle bars for steering ( real handy for running into trees) and the roads where wagon ruts formed we take these bikes and go and go and go , til a train got in are way then we haft to stop. but the trains were just going along going where the rails took them following a path alread laid with no way of changing direction. ( well there was but you didnt go far for very long,) so here i gave you a step back looking at cars horses and motorcycles, they all steer and hence forth your driving them but if i use your logic then if you srive a train then if i am seated up front on a roller coaster am i driving the roller coaster how about if im at the button and push start am i driving it then? its just not right you cant drive if your not steering, then your in control. we control are engines and train by running the engine not driving.
I learned a long time ago that people like you are useless ( check that grammer) and that when your wrong you tend to attack other things to try and make yourself look better and to try and win your argument, and as usual you wont win but you keep on to be heard. you wouldnt admit to your mistakes if they bit you in the rear. there have been many of railroader who help start this forum and have hung in here to answer questions and talk most of the original people have left and mostly foamers are here with wrong information, then when you come track side, you wonder why you get such a nasty and evil reply from crews. its is because of things like this, The last 11 guys that was track side who thought they was right and 1 guy really did it for all he even said you cant call the law we are not treaspassing, 3 min later they were all escorted off the property. I have not had a problem with these guys again. why am i telling you this is because I wont be reading this thread again call it drivers all you want, im done with it,
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