2-8-2's and 2-10-0's

[Semper Vaporo]

We are a people divided by a common language.

Of course, the French think we are nuts the way we pronounce the French words we have usurped... and the Italians, and the Germans, and the Spanish, etc., etc., etc.

The Chinese were gracious enough to "allow" the English to totally screwup the names of Chinese cities... "Peking" instead of "Beijing" (which is not all that good of a phonetic spelling, either!!!!).

 

[wjstix]

"BERK-sher" with the last part prounced as in "her" with an "s" in front..."sher".

I'm guessing in the UK it would be pronounced "Berk-SHY-er".

One a side note speaking of English English, I used to listen to the BBC World Service a lot, and it used to be fun to hear the trouble they had pronouncing American names and place names. Apparently it's hard for a Londoner to accept that Houston (Texas) is prounounced the same as Euston station, they'd always end up saying something like "WHO-ston". Genl Norman Schwarzkopf's name was always pronounced with the w pronounced like a hard v: "SchVARTZkoff". If they played something by Weird Al Yankovic it was always pronounced "Yank-o-vitch" instead of "vick" at the end.

[jockellis]

G'day, Y'all,
All righty now. We''ve established that there are several ways to pronouce 2-8-2 and 2-10-0. So how do you pronounce Berkshire?
Incidentally, the last few days I've been trying to sing that song from Sound of Music and only yesterday I was able to sing it through without having to say do-ray-me-fa, etc. after each verse. It was a good feeling.

[tdmidget]

mikka-doo? Maybe they were dikka-heads

[Anonymous]

I've heard 2-8-2s called a micca-doo with the accent on micca.

[selector]

2-6-0 Mogul is "MOW gll".

[wjstix]

For the linguistically challenged who have problems pronouncing tsu (as in Tsushima Strait), the word Mikado has three syllables, each represented (in katakana or hiragana) by a single symbol.

The accepted (by Japanese and Japanophones) pronunciations:

• Mi - me, that guy that hangs out with Myself  and I.
• Ka - kah, proper Bostonian for automobile.
• Do - doe, "a deer, a female deer..."

The ungarbled, Imperially sealed word.  Accept no substitutes.

Chuck (modeling Central Japan in September, 1964 - with D50 and D51 class 2-8-2s)

Of course, be pretty odd for Americans to pronounce a foreign word correctly (though we're much better than the British)!! I think "mick-KAH-doe" is the normal US version...just like we call Mallets "malleys"  instead of "Mahl-LAYS.

Doubt that'll change, for 40+ years we've been calling Ray Davies of the Kinks Ray "Day-vees" instead of the correct Ray "Day-vis".  

[wjstix]

Yes, that's right, Mikado was the title used by the Emperor of Japan.

I think it still is, just doesn't come up as often??

[tomikawaTT]

For the linguistically challenged who have problems pronouncing tsu (as in Tsushima Strait), the word Mikado has three syllables, each represented (in katakana or hiragana) by a single symbol.

The accepted (by Japanese and Japanophones) pronunciations:

• Mi - me, that guy that hangs out with Myself  and I.
• Ka - kah, proper Bostonian for automobile.
• Do - doe, "a deer, a female deer..."

The ungarbled, Imperially sealed word.  Accept no substitutes.

Chuck (modeling Central Japan in September, 1964 - with D50 and D51 class 2-8-2s)

Any particular syllable for the accent?

Any syllable held for a longer/shorter count?

MEEE-kahdoe

MEkahhh-doe

meee-KAHdoe

meKAHHH-doe

etc.

??

 

The last is close, but no cigar.  meKAH-doe hits it - the accent is on the ka, but is very slight.  None of the vowels are held.

Incidentally, the city name Hiroshima is properly pronounced He-row-SHE-ma.  The usual mispronunciation, he-ROH-shi-ma, raises hackles in western Honshu.  (The latter is Tokyo dialect, which the folks away from the Kanto Plain think of as the Japanese equivalent of Brooklynese.)

Chuck (modeling Central Japan in September, 1964)

[Semper Vaporo]

For the linguistically challenged who have problems pronouncing tsu (as in Tsushima Strait), the word Mikado has three syllables, each represented (in katakana or hiragana) by a single symbol.

The accepted (by Japanese and Japanophones) pronunciations:

• Mi - me, that guy that hangs out with Myself  and I.
• Ka - kah, proper Bostonian for automobile.
• Do - doe, "a deer, a female deer..."

The ungarbled, Imperially sealed word.  Accept no substitutes.

Chuck (modeling Central Japan in September, 1964 - with D50 and D51 class 2-8-2s)

Any particular syllable for the accent?

Any syllable held for a longer/shorter count?

MEEE-kahdoe

MEkahhh-doe

meee-KAHdoe

meKAHHH-doe

etc.

??

 

[snagletooth]

For the linguistically challenged who have problems pronouncing tsu (as in Tsushima Strait), the word Mikado has three syllables, each represented (in katakana or hiragana) by a single symbol.

The accepted (by Japanese and Japanophones) pronunciations:

• Mi - me, that guy that hangs out with Myself  and I.
• Ka - kah, proper Bostonian for automobile.
• Do - doe, "a deer, a female deer..."

The ungarbled, Imperially sealed word.  Accept no substitutes.

Chuck (modeling Central Japan in September, 1964 - with D50 and D51 class 2-8-2s)

It's "ME, an,name, I call myself, LA, a long, long way to run" (I'm SOOO embaressed!, No, I'm not one of those, I just had 2 older sister's and no brothers in band, and they played ALL those musicals CONSTANLY! Anyone know South Pacific? How about Oklahoma? Seven brides for Seven brothers? I'm Don Queont e hote, the Lord of Lamancha, My estiny calls and I go  Please, anyone sympathize?)Release me from this musical H..L! You know what, I believe you. I've read youre thread responsise on Japanese RW's. tsu- isnt that like a cross between "SOO" line  and "ZOO"?  I always pronounces it  "ZOO(as in zoot suit)shima.  But then it also say SOOgahme. Is that wrong?

 I know he's looking for the proper way, and i think you got it, but American accent belittles it, I think. To me , it'll always be McCAdo, with a Scot-Irish slang. Sorry!

[tomikawaTT]

For the linguistically challenged who have problems pronouncing tsu (as in Tsushima Strait), the word Mikado has three syllables, each represented (in katakana or hiragana) by a single symbol.

The accepted (by Japanese and Japanophones) pronunciations:

• Mi - me, that guy that hangs out with Myself  and I.
• Ka - kah, proper Bostonian for automobile.
• Do - doe, "a deer, a female deer..."

The ungarbled, Imperially sealed word.  Accept no substitutes.

Chuck (modeling Central Japan in September, 1964 - with D50 and D51 class 2-8-2s)

[Semper Vaporo]

To avoid ambiguity when discussing these locomotives with someone that has some knowledge of what a Steam Locomotive is you can use the following pronunciations: 

1) Mikado is pronounced :  "Two-Eight-Two".

2) Decapod is pronounced : "Two-Ten-Oh".

Alternatively, when describing them to the general public, both can be pronounced :

"Chu-Choo".

These methods save lots of extraneous explanations!

 

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

2-10-0's customarily had a reputation for being rough riding, so most of the names used for them by engine crews are probably unprintable

[Tulyar15]

Yes, that's right, Mikado was the title used by the Emperor of Japan.

[ragnar]

I've always heard it as MA-KAAD-O It is correct that the Mikado was a title affixed to the Emperor of Japan 

[wjstix]

2-8-2's were "Mikes" for short, but Mikado is pronounced "mick-KAH-doe". It's the title of the Emperor of Japan, supposedly the first US built 2-8-2's were built for export to Asia. During WW2 they were called "Macs" for "MacArthurs" BTW.

2-10-0's are "DECK-a-pods", "Dec" meaning 10 in Latin, like decimal system or December...well OK, December is now the 12th month, but in Roman times, it was the 10th. (Sept=7, Octo=8, Novum=9, Decem=10.) 

[snagletooth]

mik AH doe   DECK a pod.   The accent makes a difference.   I once heard somebody pronounce it MIK ah doe, in spite of the (I thought) well known Gilbert and Sulivan opereta.

tomato, tomato? I've always heard it pronounced more like durg "mic" as in MC-ah-doe. The nikename usely being Mike, but I've heard people call them mic's. I've also heard often  me-kah-doe. But I sure mik(e)-ah-doe is the proper way.

 And Moguls are, I think, is magyule. As is ma(your ma is callin you home)g-yule. Thought most peolpe pronounce as mogols, like a media mogol.  

[greyhounds]

OK, how 'bout the 2-6-0?

Mo-Gul?

[J. Edgar]

 2-8-2   "mike"

 2-10-0  "russian"

[orsonroy]

2-8-2: Mike

2-10-0: Deck

[jimrice4449]

mik AH doe   DECK a pod.   The accent makes a difference.   I once heard somebody pronounce it MIK ah doe, in spite of the (I thought) well known Gilbert and Sulivan opereta.

[dehusman]

I've heard it pronounced  Mi-Kah-Doe, instead Mike-Ah-Doe.

Dave H.

[Anonymous]

On the Southern, 2-8-2s were pronounced:

Fawty-five honnids

Fawty-six honnids

Fawty-seven honnids

Fawty-eight honnids

And so on . . .

 

Ol' Ed 

 

[nanaimo73]

mi (i as in pit) KA (a as in father) do (o as in toe).   

[cprted]

Mikado: "Mike-ah-doe"

Decapod: "Deck-ah-pod"

Everyone I know pronounces it Mic-ah-doe.

[Anonymous]

Mikado: "Mike-ah-doe"

Decapod: "Deck-ah-pod"

[greyhounds]

What is the correct pronunciation of:

1) "Mikado"

2) "Decapod"

?

I may die someday and I'd like to know first.