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Lombard Log Haulers Maine and Phoenix Log Haulers Manufactured under Lombard's Patent in Wisconsin

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, December 20, 2020 9:41 AM

Did you never see a Yankee push-pull screwdriver?  Those are just an interrupted, stronger version...

Although I must confess I never cared for the things or found them labor- or time-saving.  I so strongly associate handedness with screwing in or out that I can't get used to other actions that give continuous rotation at the business end.  I'll just suffer the wasted motion of the ratchet return... and I bet I strip FAR fewer heads...

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, December 20, 2020 9:30 AM

After viewing the original log hauler video another video was suggested that blows my mechanical mind - threading a fastener for both right and left handed threads...If I were to come across something like it in real life - I could probably cross thread it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDfMI5ahbJI

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Tuesday, December 15, 2020 10:16 AM

And a Caterpillar subsidiary is in the Locomotive business.

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Posted by samfp1943 on Monday, December 14, 2020 12:08 PM

When I first posted this story of the Lombard Steam log Hauler, which i had found in an Internet Publication [The Drive].  I thought it had some connections with a few of the posters on this TRAINS Forum; after all it was about Lombard Steam Powered Logging Equipment, and was pretty much a 100 years old and was preserved, in operating condition;  by students and faculty of the Univ of Maine and its Mechanical Engineering School at its' adjunct facility at THe Maine Logging and Forestry Museum at Bradley, Me.

See link @ (maineforestandloggingmuseum.org)  

I was interested having grown up in lumber and wood products manufacturing.

After the Thread was posted, one of the Forum posters mentioned that he was aware of the 'Phoenix Steam Log Haulers used in Minnesota. Turns out that those machines were manufactured by Phoenix Mfg. Co. of Eau Claire, Wi. They were Lombard Patented and produced under royalties to Alvin Lombard of Maine. 

At a site linked in one of those Internet  linked sites was a Canadian site{Western Development Musium] which had a fairly(?) complete history of the Lombard patent machines @  Winning the Prairie Gamble - Western Development Museum (wdm.ca)

With some additional Internet Searching I found the following site that added more to the story of how the Lombard patented Machines ' migrated to Finland

"Finland’s Steam-powered Phoenix Log Hauler"  | ,

@http://www.alternativefinland.com/finlands-steam-powered-phoenix-log-hauler/

FTL":"...n the Forestry Museum of Lapland you will find the “Sandberg” Locomotive – which is actually a steam-powered Phoenix Log Hauler imported from Wisconsin. In 1913, the first of two of the log haulers was delivered to Finland via the harbor at Hankko (the second arrived in 1914). They were imported from the USA by Richard Hugo Sandberg (or “Samperi” as he was nicknamed) the influential and charismatic forestry manager of the Kemi Paper Company. These Phoenix Log Haulers were intended to be used to haul logs from the Nuorti logging site, near Tulppio in the Savukoski area, to the Kemijoki River from where the logs were floated down river during the spring floods..."

AS Overmod had speculated the Lombard Patent was an inspiration(?) for what  became the Caterpiller that bore the Holt, name and became the "Caterpiller' Co.

+P.S. [As Paul Harvey woud have noted]:  Clarence Leo Best (April 21, 1878 – September 22, 1951, San Francisco, California), usually known as C. L. Best, was a pioneering tractor company executive.[1][2] C. L. Best founded the C. L. Best Gas Traction Company in 1910 (later the C. L. Best Tractor Company)* [In 1914, C.L. Best, purchased from Alvin.O. Lombard two of his patents regarding the Lombard Steam log Hauler]       then merged his company with Holt Manufacturing Company to form Caterpillar Tractor Company in 1925.[1] C. L. Best was chairman of the board of Caterpillar Tractor Company from its founding until his death in 1951.[3]

Last is from a Wiki Linked site for C.L. Best @ Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  C. L. Best

So there you have it!  How the Lombard Steam Log Hauler, invented in the Logging Camps of Maine; Manufactured and Improved(?) as the Phoenix Log Hauler, and went to become part of the Best Tractor Co in California and finally, the basis for the Caterpilars manufactured by the Caterpillar Co ! Whistling

 

 


 

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, December 14, 2020 3:46 AM

7j43k
I wonder why there's a kind of caterpillar nested into the big caterpillar.

They are two very different things.

See patent 674737 (you should download the PDF of US674737A as the OCR is unreadable in the critical sections).

Drive is through the central pinion at  pivot on the sideframe, which meshes directly with one of the main geared roadwheels.  The two sides are separate, I think driven separately; the two units pivot separately and there is no differential.  The chain is a set of rigid racks engaging with the teeth on this wheel which limits the number of pins in the track (Lombard calls it a 'traction belt')

The purpose of the other belt is fascinating.  It is not a drive belt; it is a suspension belt; it runs exactly as you see in most of the pictures on a flat guide, but what you don't see is that its links just guide a series of rollers that bear on those guides to support the weight -- it is like a linear version of the roller support if some swing bridges.  In some of the videos you actually see this chain jerk to a stop and appear to 'skid'; this is just the rollers doing their job under load!

Note that in one of the references there is a simplified bearing arrangement that looks like it has swing arms from the pinion/pivot point and a shorter bearing belt with flatter return.

He does not mention differential steering by varying the speed and direction of the two sides separately, which would become a critical part of the Holt Caterpillar idea -- steering is halftrack-style with wheels or runners.  Note the very long 'rigid wheelbase' out to the steering pivot, but the traction assembly close to the center of mass for better "adhesive weight".

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Posted by MMLDelete on Monday, December 14, 2020 12:30 AM

Very interesting!

I'd never heard of such things.

I swear, I have this odd recurring dream in which there are (conventional railroad) trains that operate right on the ground, with no rails. Only in my dreams they are usually pulled by an EMD E or F unit. There's an emotional component of the dream, in which I am very sad or disgusted that there are no more tracks. The feeling is very much like I felt in real life when cabooses were disappearing. It's the only train-related recurring dream I've ever had. Sometimes I'm watching a train; other times I'm in the engine cab.

That "log train" made me think of that.

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Posted by samfp1943 on Sunday, December 13, 2020 3:58 PM

DanRaitz

Most of the logging companies in northern Minnesota used the Phoenix log hauler.

https://media.mnhs.org/things/cms/10190/514/pf111058.640x640.jpg?irn=10190514

How it Works - Phoenix Log Hauler — Coalition for Sustainable Rail (csrail.org)

 

 
              Cowboy  Looks like I owe Dan Raitz , a fellow poster here; A tip of the Kromer Cap ! YeahBow
               Until I had read the article I posted first, I had no idea what a "Steam Log Hauler" was Huh?  It looked really interesting, and certainly seemed to be a preservation project that had required not only dedication, but much perseverance. 
The story of the preservation of that 1910 Lombard Steam Log Hauler  was  quite an interesting  story.   The site linked a lot of information on that product of Alvin Lombard's Steam Log Hauler and how it got to its current home at the Maine Forest and Logging Museum in Bradley, Maine. Which is a part of the Univ of Maine. Whose Mechanical Engineering Technical School played a big part in its resurection.
 
After my posting the above information....Dan Raitz posted the name of a Phoenix Log Hauler from up in Minnesota!   
  Turns out that the Phoenix Steam Log Hauler was manufactured by Phoenix Mfg. Co.  in Eau Claire Wi. who had started building them in 1904 under the 1901 patent held by Alvin Lombard
for which they paid Lombard a per unit royalty fee {$1,000.] for the patented rights.
Phoenix shipped them all over: "...A total of eight Phoenix Centiped log haulers are known to have survived FTL:"... two in Wisconsin, one in Iowa which came from Saskatchewan, one in Alaska and two in Finland.."                   
Apparently, they did not note the Maine manufactured Log Haulers(?), Of which, approximately, some 83 units were manufactured at Watervile, Me. by Lombard's Shop into the 1920's,and its companion gasolene powered dump truck(?) 
See linked site @  Western Development Museum site @http://wdm.ca/exhibits/prairie-gamble-nb/
Which seems to be a fairly complete of the History of the Phoenix Steam Log Haulers built at Eau Claire, Wi.; to the 1901 Patent of Alvin Lombard of Waterville.Me.

Each of the sites listed show a number of other links to much more infiormation on these early 20th Century Log Haulers.Whistling

 

 


 

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Sunday, December 13, 2020 10:08 AM

It looks like an oversized steam-powered snowmobile.

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Posted by DanRaitz on Sunday, December 13, 2020 9:53 AM

There are multiple photo's in Frank King's book "Minnesota Logging Railroads" and also in Michael Koch's book "Steam & Thunder in the Timber"

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Posted by DanRaitz on Sunday, December 13, 2020 9:33 AM

Most of the logging companies in northern Minnesota used the Phoenix log hauler.

https://media.mnhs.org/things/cms/10190/514/pf111058.640x640.jpg?irn=10190514

How it Works - Phoenix Log Hauler — Coalition for Sustainable Rail (csrail.org)

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Sunday, December 13, 2020 8:32 AM

7j43k
 I am kinda surprised that I haven't seen a lot of such machines in logging books.  Perhaps I blinked.

Chances are they weren't too common to begin with.  As we see in the article they were very expensive, and a logging company would have to think hard about that kind of purchase, especially if the job was getting done adequately with horses.

 

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Posted by 7j43k on Saturday, December 12, 2020 10:48 PM

Absolutely wonderful!

 

I wonder why there's a kind of caterpillar nested into the big caterpillar.  However.  It obviously works, and works well.

 

Sure wish I had enough land to need something like that.  I am kinda surprised that I haven't seen a lot of such machines in logging books.  Perhaps I blinked.

 

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Posted by MidlandMike on Saturday, December 12, 2020 8:46 PM

I wondered why those guys were riding on the pilot, until I saw the stearing wheel.  I am wondering on the ice poad if the skis might have been more self-directing.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, December 12, 2020 4:32 PM

I've gotta get one of those!  Imagine driving it around the block!  The kids would go nuts!  

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Lombard Log Haulers Maine and Phoenix Log Haulers Manufactured under Lombard's Patent in Wisconsin
Posted by samfp1943 on Saturday, December 12, 2020 3:37 PM

Off Topic  Possibly ?  But then again, maybe, not so much...

See linked here @https://umaine.edu/met/capstone-projects/2014-lombard-steam-log-hauler-restoration/

The Lombard Steam Log Haulers were built between 1901 and 1917  in the area of Waterville, Me. The subject unit was built around 1910. It is the subject of the article linked above.

FTL:"...The Lombard steam log hauler was built between 1901 and 1917 in Waterville, Maine.  It was the first successful tracked vehicle, and led the way for modern construction, military, and recreational tracked vehicles.

 The first Lombard log haulers burned wood, or coal, and traveled on ice coated roads at about 4 miles per hour.  They towed multiple sleds with up to 125 cords of logs, [ about 300 tons]replacing the work of about 50 horses.  

This site documents the restoration of a c. 1910 Lombard steam log hauler located at the Maine Forest and Logging Museum in Bradley, Maine..."

The next sited link is to the article in the publication "The Drive

"This Wacky Steam Locomotive-Car Hybrid Paved the Way for Tank Tracks"

"The world's first vehicle to successfully use tracks for propulsion wasn't a tank—it was the Lombard Steam Log Hauler." ByStef SchraderOctober 27, 2020

Article and videos linked @ https://www.thedrive.com/news/37283/this-wacky-steam-locomotive-car-hybrid-paved-the-way-for-tank-tracks

 

 


 

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