Lithonia OperatorReally, whatever the heck was Jesus thinking?
Overmod Lithonia Operator Really, whatever the heck was Jesus thinking? That he would have a hard time living up to Wayne Gretzky for modern Canadian respect?
Lithonia Operator Really, whatever the heck was Jesus thinking?
That he would have a hard time living up to Wayne Gretzky for modern Canadian respect?
The forward platform size for the lead truck of 4014 was determined in large part by two things - the four-wheel lead truck and the 68-inch drivers.
The four-wheel lead truck was the only four-wheel lead truck supplied with a North American 16-drivered simple articulated locomotive.
(There are 4-8-8-4 Garratts such as the 42 Australian 6001 class, and I am not counting the Southern Pacific Cab Forwards with 4 wheels under the cab in a 4-8-8-2 wheel arrangement - a "reverse Yellowstone".)
The 68-inch drivers were the largest ever mounted on a 16-drivered simple articulated locomotive.
For comparison, here are several 2-8-8-4 Yellowstone classes:
The Baltimore & Ohio had 64-inch drivers on their EM-1 class
Southern Pacific had 63.5-inch drivers on their AC-9 class
Northern Pacific had 63-inch drivers on their Z-5 class
Duluth, Missabe & Iron Range had 63-inch drivers on their M-3 and M-4 classes
It is worth noting that all of the Yellowstones also had lead trucks extending out from under the smokebox even with the smaller drivers and 2-wheel lead trucks.
http://steamlocomotive.com/locobase.php?country=USA&wheel=4-8-8-4
http://steamlocomotive.com/locobase.php?country=USA&wheel=2-8-8-4
http://steamlocomotive.com/whyte/2-8-8-4/USA/photos/bo7602.jpg
http://steamlocomotive.com/whyte/2-8-8-4/USA/photos/dmir225-excur.jpg
http://steamlocomotive.com/whyte/2-8-8-4/USA/photos/dmir225-barris1.jpg
https://members.lsol.net/mollyandmick/D227.htm
http://steamlocomotive.com/whyte/2-8-8-4/USA/photos/dmir221-gallagher1.jpg
http://espee.railfan.net/nonindex/steam-02/3802_sp-steam-ac09-gene_deimling.jpg
http://steamlocomotive.com/whyte/2-8-8-4/USA/photos/sp3800.jpg
By comparison, the UP Challengers were able to pretty much tuck the lead truck under the smokebox, very much like a 4-8-4 or 4-8-2, so that for the most part only a small part of the lead truck - about the first axle - and the pilot extended out past the front of the smokebox.
https://steamlocomotive.com/locobase.php?country=USA&wheel=4-6-6-4
BackshopGordie was better than Wayne.
Whenever I hear "Yellowstone" my mind naturally goes straight to Duluth. But those SP units are really growing on me.
Same me, different spelling!
kgbw49 The four-wheel lead truck was the only four-wheel lead truck supplied with a North American 16-drivered simple articulated locomotive.
SP AC-X where X not equal to 9???
Seems to me that the 4 wheel truck on the cab-forwards was on the front of the engine, albeit where the firebox was where the smokebox was supposed to be....
Overmod Backshop Gordie was better than Wayne. Yes, but we're talking hair here.
Backshop Gordie was better than Wayne.
Yes, but we're talking hair here.
Gretzky would agree. He idolized Howe growing up and at one point said he would have picked Gordie as the best player ever.
His first two NHL teams (Edmonton and Los Angeles) are currently facing each other in the playoffs for the first time since Gretzky was a King. While the Oilers struggled to find their feet and lost Game 1 by a goal, they came roaring back and thrashed LA to the tune of 6-0 and 8-2 in Games 2 and 3.
Greetings from Alberta
-an Articulate Malcontent
Erik_Mag, yes, absolutely the leading truck under the cab on the SP AC Cab Forwards was 4-wheel.
The reason I qualified leaving the 4-8-8-2 out of that short discussion in the sentence in parenthesis was because I was just providing some context information in response to the comment about the size of the front platform on the Big Boy relative to the size of the front platform on the front of regular Yellowstones and then the front of the Challenger.
Actually, it is probably worth noting that the size of the platform over the Cab Forward 2-wheel trailing truck (which would be the leading truck if flipped) is probably the biggest platform of all of the 16-drivered simple articulateds. One could probably fit a pickleball court back there!
http://steamlocomotive.com/locobase.php?country=USA&wheel=4-8-8-2
SP sure was pleased with their "reverse Yellowstones"!
What in heaven's name is pickleball??
CSSHEGEWISCH What in heaven's name is pickleball??
Here you go, more than you'd ever want to know.
(It's more than I want to know! )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickleball
We played pickleball way back in high school. Who would have thought Mr. Action Jackson (and his 1980s shorts) was ahead of the curve? It was actually fun (and I'm no sports guy).
Racquetball seems to have died out, though.
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Pickleball is half-sized tennis, played with a whiffle ball and paddles resembling racquetball racquets. It can be played in singles or doubles. Games go up to 11 points. It is an extremely popular game and is growing. It is a great way to keep moving and stay active. People of all ages are playing it.
Here is some information about it.
https://usapickleball.org/what-is-pickleball/
I am waiting for the California State Railroad Museum to run a tournament on the platform of 4294! (Tongue firmly in cheek.)
I used to play a game called "Further". You always threw the ball, Frisbee or whatever just a little bit farther over your opponent's head each time. The trick was to #1, always get to the game ball to make sure you were always making your opponent walk to the ball. And #2, not get caught playing this game by having your opponent realize what's going on.
By the way, I used to live in Sacramento and have been to the CSRM many times. Great museum and just about an hour's drive to wine country if one is so inclined.
4294 is so impressive in 1 to 1 scale. Just like any 16-drivered locomotive. But the uniqueness of the cab up front gives a visual impression of massiveness in my mind almost equal to Big Boy.
It would be great to see it in motion in person. Won't ever happen, but at least we have one saved to appreciate.
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