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Posted by j610 on Wednesday, February 16, 2011 9:06 PM

Growing up in roanoke , headquarters of the n&w , it has to be the GP-9 . Nothing like the sound of that 567 and the leslie horn .    RON

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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, February 16, 2011 8:50 PM

RS-18u - haven't worked on them yet, but we just bought two. 

RS-3, C242, F7, F3 (now F10), GP9.   I've worked with all of them and will be running most in the not-too-distant future. 

Can't complain.  I'd have to put the RS3 at the top of the list, though.

Sure is an old thread....

 

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Posted by Ulrich on Wednesday, February 16, 2011 8:19 PM

The MLW RS10 and RS18...i like their look and sound....

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Posted by SFbrkmn on Wednesday, February 16, 2011 4:32 PM

Santa Fe NW2 (can still remember the black & whites), Rock Island SW8 and Mopac SW12's.

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Posted by martmatsil on Wednesday, February 16, 2011 3:07 PM

my favorite 1st generation diesel,has to be the former New haven FL-9,dual mode that was signed over to the conrail,then eventually Metro-North,I have ridden behind the above named locomotive,before it was taken out of service,now in museum service,it can still be a great loco,when it is maintained.6 that Amtrak owned are now on the Maine& Eastern,it is one of the best loco's made.although they lost their third rail capability,they are still my favorite.then the E-8,and the SD-9,and others.I have the book,by Robert laMay.Diesels to Park Avenue.a great book.thanks.!

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Posted by Furrbie on Tuesday, November 3, 2009 6:21 PM

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Posted by silicon212 on Friday, July 7, 2006 2:37 AM
The EMD SD9 - it certainly was a treat to see them in train service on the SP Phoenix Line in the early 90s.
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Posted by ericsp on Friday, July 7, 2006 1:48 AM
I grew up watching SP GP9s switching all of the branchlines in this area. Now all of the branchlines are operated by SJVR (what is left of them), which started with mainly GP9s and GP20s (unfortunately, all but one or two of the SJVR GP9s are gone).

The GP9 is my favorite first generation locomotive.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 7, 2006 12:08 AM
Prorably the E9 or the GP9 but I do like the Alco C424.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 6, 2006 11:45 PM
No contest, my favorite first gen is the EMD F3.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 6, 2006 10:15 PM
As a teenager in the70'/80's Rock Islands "Spine LIne" passed through my hometown in southern Iowa. I can the trains climbing out if whitebreast valley to the summit at Melcher. A gaggle of EMD and GE units would be lashed together. Ranging from GP-7/9 &18's and assorted U-boats. With every imaginable paint sceme from the Rock Island thrown in. But the SOUND was unbelievable! Combine 6-8 locomotives of early EMD and GE origins pulling for all there worth and.... Wow...what a sound they made.
As for my all around favorite Loco, the RSD-15 Alligator's. For being the ugliest....the CF-7 handsdown. I'll come to a screeching halt anytime I see an old Industrial switcher of any make or model.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 15, 2003 10:49 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by rdganthracite

Originally posted by TARGUBRIGHT

I have a question for the Alco fans out there. If Alco's were so good, Why did the Company go out of business???
TIM A


The answer is actually quite complex but here are some major reasons.

1. the problems with the 244 engine turned off many customers

2. ALCO could not compete with GM's financing of the sales ( example: PRSL wanted C415s but had to "settle" for GP38s due to financing)

3. ALCO did not support the locos after the sale as well as GM

4. ALCO wasted a lot of effort on non locomotive efforts

5. ALCO had to rely on GE for the electricals GM had its own

6. ALCO made some serious design mistakes in the Century lines. i.e the weight balance of nearly all of the 4 axle Centuries. SP wanted to replace all of its switchers with C415s but they were too slippery because most of the weight was over one truck. The C424s and C425 had similar problems.
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ALCO might not be building locomotives anymore but they are still in business building engines for industrial and marine apps. I have a 12-251 running not too far from my house in a huge Bucyrus-Erie dragline for a gravel co.. They're still around, just not as visiable. [:p][:D][8D]
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Posted by AlcoRS11Nut on Friday, August 15, 2003 10:20 AM
Any ALCO.
I love the smell of ALCo smoke in the Morning. "Long live the 251!!!" I miss the GBW and my favorite uncle is Uncle Pete. Uncle Pete eats Space Noodles for breakfast.
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Posted by oltmannd on Thursday, August 14, 2003 12:27 PM
If I had to own and operate one, it would be a GP9, hands down. Simple. Reliable. Easy to maintain. Cheap parts abound.

Just on pure looks, it would be the Alco PA (woulda been a GG1 if electrics were allowed)

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Posted by henry6 on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 1:05 PM
Best first generation diesel? The EMD E units were beautiful in full gait but a Baldwin Shark back to back pulling the Pennsy Broker or a coal drag in Pennsylvania was an absolute charm. First cab ride was an RS2 but GP7s looked busy on the head end of anything. EMD F's were brutrish but cowered under the E's. An Alco PA was a plain lady doing her dance with grace and elegance and class; the FA, her baby brother. A Baldwin Baby Faced anything looked scared, fearful of what may be coming at it or from behind, but could they scamper like a centipede looking for a place to hide. And Fairbanks Morse made so many attempts at greatness until the Trainmaster its predecssors were all but forgotten while we stared at what the second generation could be.
I would trade any one of the above for a fleet of today's power!

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Posted by gemperfilm on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 6:38 AM
Mine would have to be the GP9. I remember many a time hearing them accelerate to pull a coal train out of Portsmouth, Ohio. I still love that sound. Of course the N&W had Leslie horns on their GP9s Combine that sound with the EMD 567 and it was a slice of heaven.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 3:21 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by AltonFan

My favorite 1st generation diesels would have to be the early ALCO road switchers.

I often wondered if ALCO didn't lose ground because during World War II, its diesel production was limited, and it had to spread its energies over both steam and diesel power, while GM-EMD could devote most, if not all, of its energy to road diesels.



ALCO also make tanks during WWII.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 12:24 AM
ALCOs for many rail hobbyists' and model railroaders' perspective were the best in any generation. Nothing could beat their looks, sounds and all that black, suity exhaust! Additionally, the fact that most models weren't nearly as common as the EMD competition made them naturally more appealing.
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Posted by AltonFan on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 10:11 PM
My favorite 1st generation diesels would have to be the early ALCO road switchers.

I often wondered if ALCO didn't lose ground because during World War II, its diesel production was limited, and it had to spread its energies over both steam and diesel power, while GM-EMD could devote most, if not all, of its energy to road diesels.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 10, 2003 4:31 PM
to eolafan, growing up on the harlem line in pleasantville
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 10, 2003 12:21 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by rdganthracite

QUOTE: Originally posted by TARGUBRIGHT

I have a question for the Alco fans out there. If Alco's were so good, Why did the Company go out of business???
TIM A


The answer is actually quite complex but here are some major reasons.

1. the problems with the 244 engine turned off many customers

2. ALCO could not compete with GM's financing of the sales ( example: PRSL wanted C415s but had to "settle" for GP38s due to financing)

3. ALCO did not support the locos after the sale as well as GM

4. ALCO wasted a lot of effort on non locomotive efforts

5. ALCO had to rely on GE for the electricals GM had its own

6. ALCO made some serious design mistakes in the Century lines. i.e the weight balance of nearly all of the 4 axle Centuries. SP wanted to replace all of its switchers with C415s but they were too slippery because most of the weight was over one truck. The C424s and C425 had similar problems.



7. STABBED in the back by GE, who took their design and made them their own. What a faithful business partner NOT.

I have talked to different rr engineers ( some who ran both steam and diesel) and most all of them agree they would rather run an ALCO engine (when they were new)
than anything else. They told me Alco could outpull anything. Also many of them disliked the early GEs because of frequent wheel slips and very rough ride.

Alcos 244 engines were not a good product. However the 251 was good. Point #1 was correct. After the problems with the 244 many rrs never gave Alco a chance.

My favorite would be the RS1s RS2s and RS3 these had character and style. And for passenger service the Alco PAs.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 10, 2003 11:35 AM
Speaking of 1st generation Diesel Loco's, has anyone out there heard anymore on the the two ALOC PA1's that were brought back from Mexico a while back to be restored? Any progress or is funding the big issues? Thanks.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 10, 2003 12:24 AM
My favorite 1st generation diesel would have to be the EMD-GP7. I used to love to see & listen to the old Rock Island GP7's roar & smoke pulling a grade when I was a kid!!....I also like the EMD-GP9's..........machinistman....
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Posted by Wdlgln005 on Saturday, August 9, 2003 9:21 PM
My favorite is the Rio Grande F9 5771. Classy unit pulling a classy Rio Grande Zephyr, can't beat the trip from Denver to Salt Lake & back.

The Ky RR museum has a Monon BL2. Go in the cab, it looks like a F3 without the nose & a strange carbody. At least it still operates on their little passenger run . New Haven to Boston & back in 1-1/2 hrs. Hope this link works:

http://www.kyrail.org/Images/bl2.jpg
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Posted by eolafan on Saturday, August 9, 2003 8:46 AM
To jchoochoo71, I too am fond of the old FL-9, having grown up around them living in Yonkers/Bronxville, NY in the fifties through seventies. I remember hearing their air whistles in the middle of the night blowing as they passed through Bronxville and Tuckahoe stations. Last year I traveled way up to end of track on the Harlem line and saw several on short trains up that way...big difference between seeing a train up there vs. in Yonkers area! Where were you living when you were seeing them? Jim
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 8, 2003 11:44 PM
I'm not really sure anymore but I really like the CB&Q E-5 on the front end of the Zephyr. It's kind of like an old car inside, with roll-down windows and front-quarter vent windows and a "dashboard".

it sure is fun to ride in that left seat!

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 7, 2003 6:48 PM
MY FAVORITES PROBABLY ARE THE FL-9, IN NEW HAVEN PAINT OF COURSE,( BUT IT STILL LOOKS GOOD IN NYC LIGHTNING STRIPES), FOR EMD BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT I WAS RAISED ON, THE ALCO RS-1 IN SOLID BLACK NYC, BECAUSE I RAN ONE AND THE U25B IN MCGINNIS NEW HAVEN LIVERY BECAUSE THE WERE THE MAYBROOKS BACKBONE FOR HAULING TONNAGE.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 7, 2003 11:59 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by TARGUBRIGHT

I have a question for the Alco fans out there. If Alco's were so good, Why did the Company go out of business???
TIM A


The answer is actually quite complex but here are some major reasons.

1. the problems with the 244 engine turned off many customers

2. ALCO could not compete with GM's financing of the sales ( example: PRSL wanted C415s but had to "settle" for GP38s due to financing)

3. ALCO did not support the locos after the sale as well as GM

4. ALCO wasted a lot of effort on non locomotive efforts

5. ALCO had to rely on GE for the electricals GM had its own

6. ALCO made some serious design mistakes in the Century lines. i.e the weight balance of nearly all of the 4 axle Centuries. SP wanted to replace all of its switchers with C415s but they were too slippery because most of the weight was over one truck. The C424s and C425 had similar problems.
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Posted by vsmith on Thursday, August 7, 2003 10:15 AM
[V]Geez, ya guys are choosing all these UGLY frieghties.[:(]

My favorite 1st generation diesel is:

The Pioneer Zepher -
Not only is it a drop dead gorgeous train, it was one of the very first diesel motor demonstrators built, it was also the first to use lightweight alloy construction, articulated design, aerodynamic principles and after its first run it was one of the fastest trains on the planet. It and its progeny were huge successes.

Thats what I call an awesome loco.[:D]

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