THEY FOUND SADDAM

[Anonymous]

[:-^][bow]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

Bro,
If you need it to glow in the dark, one of you needs to take lessons...

QUOTE: Originally posted by SLIC

QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

All I want to know is...

"Where's Osama?"

[:D]Where else would he be he's At the local Exxon station charging you $1.55.9/10 For unleaded $3.57 for cheap smokes & 85 cent for 1 (glow in the dark condom).

[bow] Good one man

[Mookie]

well, you just know I have to chime in on this! I think that for once, the USA should let another country handle their own affairs and just let them take care of him. I am not big on capital punishment, but that should be for them to decide and then execute - hmm probably a poor choice of words.

Jen

[espeefoamer]

Remember,one of our Founding Fathers once said,"I disagree with what you have to say,but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

[edblysard]

Bro,
If you need it to glow in the dark, one of you needs to take lessons...

QUOTE: Originally posted by SLIC

QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

All I want to know is...

"Where's Osama?"

[:D]Where else would he be he's At the local Exxon station charging you $1.55.9/10 For unleaded $3.57 for cheap smokes & 85 cent for 1 (glow in the dark condom).

[trainfan1221]

I agree we don`t need to kill him, but let`s bring him to justice...If there is a trial for his death, it should be maybe in his own country where he can stand up for what he`s done to his own people.

[vsmith]

My fear is that they know exactly where in Pakistan he is, but they wont go after him because they dont want to **** off Pakistan's government by embarrasing them killing him in thier own backyard, or even worse that they prefer to have him out there running around so that they can continue to use him as an ever present boogyman threat to justify the war and keep giving Haliberton contracts.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

All I want to know is...

"Where's Osama?"

[:D]Where else would he be he's At the local Exxon station charging you $1.55.9/10 For unleaded $3.57 for cheap smokes & 85 cent for 1 (glow in the dark condom).

[Anonymous]

here! here!

I AGREE with that!

[vsmith]

Kevin, We have differing opinions of what should be done to Uncle Saddam, but I respect your opinion and can see your viewpoint, its just different from mine, thats all.

But I'm pissed off when some small minded moron tries to treatenl people that they have no right to speak there mind. What do these idiots who try to silence freedom of speech think they are accomplishing? the creation of another Soviet Union? Is that the end goal?

Who ever made the threat had better fing a copy of the Bill of Rights and READ IT. We are supposed to fighting this stupid war to help bring FREEDOM to Iraq, while this tiny brained dip*** here at home fights to take away my freedom to say Saddam should live or die?

Every time you try to silence our freedoms your AIDING THE ENEMY, Al Quida loves hearing this stupid **** is happening in this country. Choke on that!

[Anonymous]

Thanks Guys

One thing Everyone should know on the forum, I'm not the only one who ckecks my E-mail. I leave it logged in msot of the day, and just keep hitting the Refresh button, that being said, My girlfriend who is now up and running at 100% checked my e-mail last night..

let's Say she didn't like what she saw, and deleted it, Responded first then Deleted it. Thats why I was only somewhat mad. I don't kmow what the e-mail said in it, i never saw it, But it was of a not so nice nature.. and telling myself what not to post in these forums. If i would have read.. oh boy... someone would have gone down. But i didn't.. i was jsut told what to write.

So if you have the urge to tell me what to do, threaten me, see if you can send the message via Telakanesis, and if i recieve it i'll let anyone know. Thats the kind of stuff you do face to face with me. Don't put it on my E-mail. I'm not the onyl one who reads it. My girlfriend is easily scared with threats. Don't do that, it's not cool.

From what i can base on my Girlfriends Reaction, it was not soemthing seriosu, otherwise she would have been in a major flap. So, like I said, i'm fighting a blind war, I don't know what i'm figting for, she said its somhting that should just be let go.

If it was really serious, she would have done domehting already. which is quite relieveing for me.

[Anonymous]

I don't know what is going on here but I will tell you -- I DON'T LIKE IT.

If someone has to sneak around and threathen people THEY are no better than Saddam himself. Keven is entitled to his opinion. Keven is my friend. I, and Dan, both are associated with alot of joking around in the forums. And so is Ed. But this is NO JOKE. Don't hide in the shadows, come out and be a man. It is a sad day to think that someone in these forums is capable of doing such a dirty deed.

Keven, I am with you bud.

[edblysard]

Well, lets see...
Some one was dumb enought to jack around and threaten a honorary Texan, so..
Tell ya what Kev, if Dan's got your back, I'll handle the left side, you take the right side.

Even if I dont agree with your opinion, I do agree with your right to have such, and express it, with out the fear of being threatened.

Funny, but thats just how Saddam ended up in the mess he is in, if you didnt agree with him, he threatened you, and if that didnt do the trick, he killed you.
You think the smarter folks here would learn from that.

Remember the Alamo!
Ed

[espeefoamer]

They should put Saddam in a cell.The cell should be three feet across and six feet under![xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(]

[dharmon]

I gotta go on the record and say.......and let my just put it this way....I AM AN ACTIVE DUTY MEMBER OF THE US ARMED FORCES..........If you feel the need to threaten someone about their opinions here then let me refresh your ##$%% memory......something about a constitution that I swore an oath to defend.....It said something about a right to free speech.... a right to life, liberty and a pursuit of happiness.....ring a freakin' bell........that right to free speech does not include the right to threaten.......If you want to threaten somebody threaten me....stand up and do it like a man......I am stepping in front of Kevin here, I'll take his back........so now how big are you......come on now.....or is it now different cause I'm an American and military?[:(!][:(!][:(!]

[Trainnut484]

I'm very confident that Saddam's trial will be held in Iraq. You can count on every TV network, major newspaper, magazines, and even the tabloids will cover it tighter than the OJ Simpson trials. I think CNN was talking about broadcasting the trials just after two hours after airing his capture. So the media is licking their chops for this trial of the century.

If he's given the death penalty, they might try to broadcast that too. It is illegal right now to actually broadcast ( by tv ) the prisoner being executed, but somehow those pictures will wind up on the internet.

Take care,

Russell

[Anonymous]

See Now i'm somewhat Angry

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough when i said E-mail me, so let me reiturate

I don't mind discussing it here and If you want to E-mail me about this subject that is fine,

and it is fine, anyone can e-mail me, fell free, i'll respond within 48 hours.

But this time i'll include the small print that I thoguth everyone (Apparently not) should have known.

Do Not Threaten Me in your E-mails, Do NOT Tell Me what NOT to post. That Just makes me angry, and no body wants that.

So for anyone else who is writing an E-mail to me, and is Starting it off with "If you ever say somehting like that again.." You can keep that E-mail, and shove it up your Chimney.

Now with that all said,

Dan, Ed and Mr. Smith. I have read your opinions. I don't necesarily agree with them, Although there are individual points which I do like, I can't say I agree with it intirely.

Everyone is Equally entitlesd to everyone's opinion, My opinion isn't worth any less then anyone elses.

As long as you know where I stand.. I'm happy [:)]

[dharmon]

Kev,

Having Saddam dead isn't going to bring back the folks he murdered, or the folks that died bringing him down or even make me feel better. Under Islamic law...and well the laws he set up, he would be put to death.....although I understand right now there is a moratorium on the death penalty right now in Iraq, until the "judicial system" gets on it's feet. The point I was trying to make about life imprisonment is that someone, somewhere..as long is he is alive, is going to try the old...let me hijack this airliner, train, ship...school and demand his release....I don't think he is worth anyone else getting hurt over. Let them do what they want to him. And if we're holding the que cards.....well, life sucks but to the victors go the spoils. I believe he is entitled to a fair trial.......but I was just following orders isn't going to wash anymore for him than it has for Milosevic and his band of wastoids.

[vsmith]

Kevin its important for the IRAQIS to pass judgement on him and not us. they have suffered under him and they must deal out what justice they deam fit. Its not up to us to try to insert any Western notions of "right to life" into it. Saddam is a muslim and knows what the rather harsh law is for the crimes he commited. I know that will mean a public execution . Being killed in public has more meaning than just "bang your dead", it says to the world "we will not tolerate this behavior". It means this was an evil person and the country as a whole has decided to end his life in a way that sends a message to other would be dictators and militants that they had better think twice about trying to be the next Saddam. Personally I dont like the way he was brought down but I'm not going to lament his fall, nor do I want to see him live out his life in anyway comfortably.

[edblysard]

Because Kevin,
If we put him in a 6x6 cell for the rest of his life, or toture him, then we become just as monsterous as he is.

Imprisioned for life in a American Federal prison, he will have dinner served to him, along with lunch, and breakfast, while watching his color TV, or listening to his stereo, wearing his bathrobe, and waiting for his weekly hair cut.
And of course he dosnt have to worry about the other prisioners, because he will be in a isolated section.
In fact, we couldnt put him in with the general populace, the ACLU would sue the Feds in a heartbeat, for placing a Federal prisioner in a know life threatening situtation.

So, kept alive in an American prision, fed, entertained and cared for, the rest of his life?
Wow, hurt me some more, please.
So who wins then?
He does, because after decades of rape, muder, plunder and terror, he gets to retire to a federal condo?

Now, I understand where your coming from, and like I said, I am from Texas, which has put to death more deathrow inmates than any other state in the union, but just where and what do you do with such a monster?

You want him to face real punishment and pain for what he has done?
Then put him in a small room, with the families of a few of the thousands of men he made dissappear for not kissing his butt.

Strip him naked, but give them butter knives.

Dull ones.

Dead, and by the hands of those he terrorized for so long, he becomes not a martyr, but just one more criminal meeting the end he gave so many thousands.

I dont want to start a argument over the death penalty, you have your opinion, and I would fight to the death to defend your right to hold such opinions.
But I worked in the system for a long time,
the death penalty is a deterent in a lot of crimes.
And, in most instances, it is a fitting end to most of those who take the life of others for profit.

I hope you never have to suffer through the pain and heartbreak of being the survivor or next of kin of the victim of one of these creatures.
They dont just take the life of the victim, they destroy the remaining lives of those left.

Monsters is the nicest thing I can think of calling these criminals.

Dont let this keep you up at night, I got a feeling the new goverment in Iraq will make quick work of him.

Ed

[Anonymous]

Before Anyone Reads on, I want this to Remain as unconfrontational as humanly possible.

That being said

As much as Bush sayd that he is going to let him be tried under Islamic law, What you won't see on camera is Soemone from the USA right there holding Up Q cards , No not really, but what i'm trying to say is that Bush will stick his nose in this, and slowly edge his way in until he is incharge of the entire trial...

don't believe me? Wait and see.

I don't think putting him to death will bring anyone satisfactionb, You can come out and say it will make you feel better, But when in that last 24 hours before they caught him, did anyone take a moment to think of Sadam, and call him a mean Basterd or a worse name? How long did you think about him for BEFORE they caught him? For most of you, you will answer 0 hours, 0 minutes and 0 secondes.

That being said..
will killing him bring a personal satisfaction to your life?

I Hope not. I hope we are all more civilized then that.
Society progresses as the world turns..

How will killing him make things better? is this the story of Lazerus, where as soon as Saddam dies Everyone who was killed under his regime will suddenly rise from the dead?

Hell no!

Thats what most people think, When The people of iraq are yelling or calling or shouting or however they are conveying the message "Death penalty" the only thing they are thinking of, are the people that are dead. The people in their grave won't get a thrill out of this, they won't care, they won't start smiling, and they won't Start taking dansing lessons the next day. You can't think of it like that. Unfortunately these people are Dead, YOU nor I can turn back the clock, Can't Change ancient history, Can you? Can't change a death can you?

Whats done is Done...
and what was done was a pretty S****y thing, I can tell you that much.

But If we kill hjim, were no better then him, Before he dies he's most likely to say somehting outloud like praise this. But if he gets the death penalty.. He has won. Can't anyone else see that.. If he gets shot, Drawn and Quartered, lethally Injected, He has won.

Thats the Easy way out, of all the problems he's caused.

Easy.. Bang.. he's Dead.
Easy.
He wins.

I was always taught to never take the Easy way out, and to never let anyone else Make me take the easy way out.

But killing him is exactly that.. the Easy way out

Besides killing him would be just a Carppy thing like he's done..
He can kill.. oh look so can we
That leads to a tied scoreboard.

how about we get the 1-0 by making him suffer, put him in jail let him rot. That tends to hit home, Although i wouldn't know. If someone shot me out of the blue tommorow.. How would i ever know what lesson I should have learned if i'm lying face up in my grave? How would I come to learn of my Idiotic, moronic, Braberic ways lying six feet under in the cold ground?

The killer has acheived nothing by shooting me, He hasn't "Taught me a leason" Im dead, I can't learn a lesson after that point.

Everyone Learns lessons in life, some harder then others. You are sometimes forced to when facing reality. The only exemption is when your dead.

Just think about that,Please E-mail on the subject. I respect everyones opinion, please respect mine

[edblysard]

Hi Mookie,
You know, I did debate that very idea last night.
And, as was mentioned by vsmith, and Dan, if tried under Islamic laws, he will be excuted.
We may have him in custody, but in the end, the people he brutalized will be the ones to try him.
As for imprisionment, who would get to hold him, and where?
If here in America, you know the WWW club would have him pretty much living in a condo.
Why didnt he do himself , or try to fight?
Bullies are often cowards, why should he be any different?
And before anyone points out Hitler did himself, remember, Hitler was both medicaly and legally insane, and really belived the garbage he said.
Saddam on the other hand, knows exactly what he did, had the cash on hand to buy his way out of Iraq when he had the chance, and would live the rest of his life in South America if he had escaped.

Not insane, just evil.

So, even though I would like to...
I will leave it up to the people he destroyed to decide his fate.
Ed

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

All I want to know is...

"Where's Osama?"

The last I heard, they think he's working at Wal-Mart.

It's really great that they finally got Saddam! I actually had my doubts that they'd find him alive, if at all. Incidentally, does anyone have a link to a site with a picture of that private train of Saddam's. I had heard about it, but never got to see a picture of it. It was his special train that he never ever used because he preferred to fly, but was always kept ready just in case. Apparently it was quite luxurious inside, but was looted during the war.

[dharmon]

I would say that it was best that they caught him alive. If he had gone down in a blaze of glory he would have added more fuel to the fire as a martyr. It's not going to end the violence near term, in all likelihood, it will increase in the short term. With any luck, over time, it will lead to a decrease of Baath attacks as more of the leadership is taken down. But not allowing him to be martyred was important. As for his trial.....it is best done in my opinion in Iraq. By letting him be tried under Iraqi/Islamic law, he will likely be executed for his crimes against Iraqis by the Iraqis. But having it done by his countrymen, reduces the martyr factor. If he is taken to the Hague and tried in an international venue, he would probably be imprisoned for life, and thus become a symbol for Western intervention in the Middle East I believe it would create a cause for increase terrorism worldwide....and no one wants to see some school taken hostage with his release as terms.

He is in custody. His demonic sons are dead and one by one his deputies are surrendering or being caught. The violence in Iraq is causing more and more Iraqi deaths. Hopefully, continued killing the head of the beast will bring about it's demise.

[vsmith]

QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman

I hate to sound like a "dumb" Canadian..

But is the death penaly for Him really necesary?

I would think 400 years in prsion should suffice... No chance of him ever escaping.
I personally would like that better.

I like the idea of us proving we are better then him.

But what the heck do I know, Rememeber "Canadian"

Bear in mind that what little of the Iraqi Government that exists today is already calling for his execution. Whether we like it or not, it will be up to the Iraqi people to determine his fate. Personally I think he should be executed per Islamic law for all the people he killed, and the most likely form of death would be a public be-heading broadcast over the TV. I agree with Ed on this one, you dont allow Monsters to live out there lives in realitive comfort, that for me also includes lethal in jection for Chukles Manson, the Nightstalker, etc. that are living fat in prison after so much destruction of peoples lives. Would you have let Hitler live out his life in prison if he had been captured? No, I dont think so. Florida got it right when they offed Ted Bundy in the sparkie chair. If he gets life in prison it should be in a small tin hot box out in the middle of the desert. The Question to me is, will Bush allow Saddam to be tried by the international human rights court which he shows disdain for, or will he insist on a military tribunal which the rest of the muslim world will probably see as a kangaroo court?

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman

I hate to sound like a "dumb" Canadian..

But is the death penaly for Him really necesary?

I would think 400 years in prsion should suffice... No chance of him ever escaping.
I personally would like that better.

I like the idea of us proving we are better then him.

But what the heck do I know, Rememeber "Canadian"

Kevin - we agree on this one. I think solitary and confinement always is better for someone like that than death - an immediate solution to his discomfort.
Death is always the end product, so why help him out?

Mookie

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

Trainfan1221,
Odds are he was living in the house, pretty much out in the open, protected by the fanatics who were hiding him.

The hole would only be used when search teams came near, or patrols were around.

Keep in mind these folks have a very active "underground" intelligence system.

By luck more than anything else, one of his "drivers" who helped move him about, from safe house to safe house, was arrested earlier that day, and ratted him out.

But thats the way the game is played, you follow every lead, no matter how small, and in time, you catch the guys you are looking for.

There is no honor among thieves.

Now, give it a day or two, and the WWW(world wide whiners) club will be screaming for him to be treated like he was still the leader of a country, instead of the monster he is.

They will demand his "rights" be protected, ignorning the fact that under his rule, the only rights offered to those he didnt like was the choice between hanging, beheading, or being gassed, shot, and dismembered.

So I guess we should protect his rights, especially the one to chose what to eat.

Offer him either a 45 caliber, or a nine millimeter entre'.

Monsters should be dealt with accordingly.
Ed

Mr. B - he had a gun on his lap when they uncovered him. Now, my little brain sez, he had all of his followers be martyrs, his sons died for the cause - why didn't he either commit suicide for the cause or use the gun as a weapon and maybe take out some of the infidels before they killed him. Wouldn't that be a better choice, so his rewards would be greater than taking the chicken (sorry mudhen) way out?

Mrs. C

[Anonymous]

I hate to sound like a "dumb" Canadian..

But is the death penaly for Him really necesary?

I would think 400 years in prsion should suffice... No chance of him ever escaping.
I personally would like that better.

I like the idea of us proving we are better then him.

But what the heck do I know, Rememeber "Canadian"

[Train Guy 3]

YEAAAAAAAAAA HAAWWWWWWWW THEY GOT HIM!

Profile of Saddum....

Crime: Killing inocent people.

Conviction: Guilty as charched.

Punishment: The Death Penalty.

Method of death: Chained to a pair of steel rails and run over by a 600 ton frieght train.

[edblysard]

Trainfan1221,
Odds are he was living in the house, pretty much out in the open, protected by the fanatics who were hiding him.

The hole would only be used when search teams came near, or patrols were around.

Keep in mind these folks have a very active "underground" intelligence system.

By luck more than anything else, one of his "drivers" who helped move him about, from safe house to safe house, was arrested earlier that day, and ratted him out.

But thats the way the game is played, you follow every lead, no matter how small, and in time, you catch the guys you are looking for.

There is no honor among thieves.

Now, give it a day or two, and the WWW(world wide whiners) club will be screaming for him to be treated like he was still the leader of a country, instead of the monster he is.

They will demand his "rights" be protected, ignorning the fact that under his rule, the only rights offered to those he didnt like was the choice between hanging, beheading, or being gassed, shot, and dismembered.

So I guess we should protect his rights, especially the one to chose what to eat.

Offer him either a 45 caliber, or a nine millimeter entre'.

Monsters should be dealt with accordingly.
Ed