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Thinking about writing a RR article...
Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 5, 2003 2:57 PM
I'm thinking about writing an article about the start up and operations of a decent sized short line in the south. A couple of the managers are old friends and coworkers of mine and I could get access for whatever photos I needed and I'm sure cab rides, or whatever (big thrill at 20mph).

I'm writing to ask if those of you here on the site would be interested in read a real blood and guts type article. No real glitzy paint jobs or steam (or even Alco) locomotives, just modern day short lining. Perhaps a bit on history of the line followed by history of the short line, current operations, customers, interesting sights (like industrial switchers along the line) how to find it and what it means to the area (restored depot , etc).

So let's hear it. Would you buy a magazine containing such an article?

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Posted by JoeKoh on Sunday, October 5, 2003 4:11 PM
Add it that its written by a railroader go for it!I would buy that magazine.
stay safe
Joe

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 5, 2003 4:21 PM
LC [:)]

I would love to see / read it.

I especially like the idea about the old depots.

(And a pic or two of HOBO JO wouldn't hurt either lol) [}:)] I guess that would be a real short line hhhaaaaaaaaaaa.

About the article, GO FOR IT

And Best of Luck with it.


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Posted by edblysard on Sunday, October 5, 2003 5:39 PM
Sure, would love to read something along those lines.
But then, I am a little biased.
Ed

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 5, 2003 6:49 PM
LC,

I don't know.... no Alcos you say? [:0] Could you make up a bit about an Alco? [;)] No? Oh OK, shortline blood and guts will have to do. (Are you sure you couldn't convince your friends to get their road to maybe LEASE an Alco for a bit while you do your story? No again huh? Darn[:(])

The closest railroad that I have access to is a shortline, main industry Gypsum mine, and I love watching them. Would love to read an article about another hard working line.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 5, 2003 7:53 PM
L C [:p]

You know they can get Alcos cheaper than other locos. I really like Jeff's idea about them getting some. It would add a little character to their short line. You know they pull "everything in the barn". [:)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 5, 2003 8:07 PM
Guys, believe me I know all about Alcos and their Canadian cousins. But I'm not in charge of this line and have no say over what they use for power. I'm sure they use what is cheap and reliable...

Thanks for the input.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 6, 2003 12:53 PM
Sure, I'd love to read it. I'm always interested in any story about the operations of a railroad.
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Posted by FJ and G on Monday, October 6, 2003 1:11 PM
As you can tell from my FJ&G moniker, I love shortlines, slow speeds; go for it!
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Posted by potlatcher on Monday, October 6, 2003 2:41 PM
I have written three articles for the mainstream railfan press, all of them focused on shortlines. Here's what I think I've learned so far.

My first two articles were published in Railfan & Railroad, and they followed the same basic format you have outlined. The editors made few, if any changes to my manuscript. I thought the articles were great, and several of my friends who had similar interests in those lines thought so too. But after several years of subscribing to R&R, I realized that they publish an awful lot of these articles, and frankly, many of them bored me to tears. Looking back at my articles, I realize that I probably put more than a few readers to sleep too.

My third article was published in Trains. The first manuscript I submitted was more of the same. The editor politely told me that I would need to find some element of the shortline's story that would have a broader appeal to readers nationwide. He explained that a nuts-and-bolts article might be very popular among railfans already interested in that region. But a wider audience will want to know about something new or different that the railroad in question is doing to set it apart from other shortlines. Fortunately in my case, I was able to tell about some specific marketing techniques the railroad's management was using to revive rail traffic along its line. After a few more revisions, my article was accepted, although the final version that hit the newsstands was heavily edited to put more of a "spin" on the storyline.

Writing these articles was a lot of fun, and I hope to have similar opportunities in the future. It's a great learning experience as well. So . . . If you want to write about this line, GO FOR IT! Just realize that there are some magazines that may not buy it without what they perceive as a strong story with a wide appeal (after all, they need to sell magazines). Editors are always looking for fresh viewpoints, and they are usually pretty willing to help you focus your article on the railroad's key elements. Don't be afraid to re-write your manuscript a few times too, trying to squeeze as much information into as few words as possible. And no matter to which magazine you submit your article, you owe it to your reader to tell an interesting story. An interesting story will triumph over ALCO's every time
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 6, 2003 2:55 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by potlatcher

I have written three articles for the mainstream railfan press, all of them focused on shortlines. Here's what I think I've learned so far.

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An interesting story will triumph over ALCO's every time


Potlatcher,

Quite true, BUT an interesting story INCLUDING ALCO's would rock!!!![:D]

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 29, 2003 12:20 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by valleytenderfoot

QUOTE: Originally posted by potlatcher

I have written three articles for the mainstream railfan press, all of them focused on shortlines. Here's what I think I've learned so far.

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An interesting story will triumph over ALCO's every time


Potlatcher,

Quite true, BUT an interesting story INCLUDING ALCO's would rock!!!![:D]

Jeff


True, very true.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 29, 2003 12:24 PM
L C [8D] [:p] [:)]

How about a progress report? Is the article going to happen, in the works, or on the back burner?

I, along with others, am interested in seeing it. I have wondered about it several times so I though I would ask. [^] [;)] [8D]
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:33 PM
Jim-

It's in my grip and consists mainly of outlines and ideas at the moment. I have to agree with what potlatch said above. I need a "hook" to sell it. I have some ideas, but I need to reflect on it quite a bit more before it is ready for any real writing. I have spoken to a couple of editors of different publications and some writers and editors I know personally outside the railroad/railfan genre (one has expressed interest, to my shock and amazement-business magazine).

In other words, it is a work in progress, so don't hold your breath. I need to get it to the point of a decent query letter yet.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:48 AM
That's the type of article I think is missing in today's press. No one really goes behind the scenes anymore to teach us modelers about what really goes on in the railroading world especially the shortlines. A book of this sort would really help out model railroaders faithfully depict operations and railroad activities on their scale layouts.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 30, 2003 1:23 AM
L C [:D]

THANKS for the info. Nice to hear it is still in the works. I have been editor of a small christian college newspaper and have also been sports editor of our high school paper. I also was a writer for a business college paper. So I know it takes time.

Good Luck [:)] Please keep us posted. Again, thanks.





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Posted by jeffhergert on Thursday, October 30, 2003 2:31 AM
I wouldn't mind be bored to death by an article on a short line, alcos or not. To me, Trains Magazine is not as good as it used to be. (Maybe the wrong place to say that.) I still subscribe and plan to continue subscribing, but lately, more emphasis seems to be on the class 1big carriers. Short lines are really more vital , I think than people realize. For the most part they need carload/small shippers to survive where the big guys mostly have the 100 cars at a time. Many times even the 100 cars are assembled by a short line(s).
As far as reader interest. The recent articles on the NKP Yard or the PRR Yard in the railroad blueprint really had a lot of appeal for a RI fan working for the UP on the former CNW. (Even the recent article on Hutchinson,KS for me was lacking since they barely mentioned the RI, lots about the SP then UP.) So the NKP or PRR isn't my biggest interest. I still read the articles. Only bored half to death.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 30, 2003 8:39 PM
There is one thing about writing, you have to write about what is within you. Do not write about what you think people would want to read. Write about what is your passion and if it is railroads, you will find an audience. Good luck.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 30, 2003 8:41 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by potlatcher

I have written three articles for the mainstream railfan press, all of them focused on shortlines. Here's what I think I've learned so far.

My first two articles were published in Railfan & Railroad, and they followed the same basic format you have outlined. The editors made few, if any changes to my manuscript. I thought the articles were great, and several of my friends who had similar interests in those lines thought so too. But after several years of subscribing to R&R, I realized that they publish an awful lot of these articles, and frankly, many of them bored me to tears. Looking back at my articles, I realize that I probably put more than a few readers to sleep too.

My third article was published in Trains. The first manuscript I submitted was more of the same. The editor politely told me that I would need to find some element of the shortline's story that would have a broader appeal to readers nationwide. He explained that a nuts-and-bolts article might be very popular among railfans already interested in that region. But a wider audience will want to know about something new or different that the railroad in question is doing to set it apart from other shortlines. Fortunately in my case, I was able to tell about some specific marketing techniques the railroad's management was using to revive rail traffic along its line. After a few more revisions, my article was accepted, although the final version that hit the newsstands was heavily edited to put more of a "spin" on the storyline.

Writing these articles was a lot of fun, and I hope to have similar opportunities in the future. It's a great learning experience as well. So . . . If you want to write about this line, GO FOR IT! Just realize that there are some magazines that may not buy it without what they perceive as a strong story with a wide appeal (after all, they need to sell magazines). Editors are always looking for fresh viewpoints, and they are usually pretty willing to help you focus your article on the railroad's key elements. Don't be afraid to re-write your manuscript a few times too, trying to squeeze as much information into as few words as possible. And no matter to which magazine you submit your article, you owe it to your reader to tell an interesting story. An interesting story will triumph over ALCO's every time


Potlatcher-

Can you give me any idea what sort of article length I should be aiming for? I could probably write a book if I am left alone long enough. My Conductor's coffee runs could easily be a page or two long...lol...

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 31, 2003 6:36 AM
If you have enough material for a book, go for it. I wrote and published a book about trains/railroads just last year. Went through one of those self-publishing companies. They did a great job. Really enjoyed the experience. Sold quite a few too.

John B

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 31, 2003 9:38 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by johnwbaie

If you have enough material for a book, go for it. I wrote and published a book about trains/railroads just last year. Went through one of those self-publishing companies. They did a great job. Really enjoyed the experience. Sold quite a few too.

John B




John [:)]

Please tell us about it.

Thanks
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 31, 2003 10:58 AM
The book is called Two Track Main. It's about railroad people who experienced the changeover from steam to diesels back in the 1950's when I was growing up. I heard about this publishing services company, Xlibris, from a friend. Sent my manuscript to them and they came back with a galley proof about 6 weeks later. I was responsible for catching all errors, etc. Once I was satisfied with the product, I told them okay, and the book became available for publishing on demand (one copy at a time, or larger quantities). The final product is what they call a "perfect bound", glossy cover paperback. But if one wants, hardback service is available. My book includes pix and maps. I'm super pleased with the results from the interior layout to the cover. Over time, I've ordered many copies for resale at various retail outlets (I've even done some book signings). What's cool is Xlibris sets it up so Two Track Main is also available through Amazon.co., Barnes and Noble.com, Borders.com, as well as through Xlibris.com. I've sold a good number of books through these Internet locations. They even created a web site for my book, xlibris.com/TwoTrackMain.html. It provides a description and excerpt of the book.

Hope this helps.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 31, 2003 1:19 PM
John [:)]

Thank you very much. This is interesting. I bet we have more than one would be author in the bunch and this may inspire them.

Again, THANK YOU.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 31, 2003 9:38 PM
Oh, yeah, one more question to those of you who have written articles. What is the general timeline from submission to publication? How long did editing take? Were you consulted on any of the editing?

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 1, 2003 7:36 PM
LC: I can answer your questions from our point of view ...

Timeline from submission to publication? It varies from under one hour to over 50 years!. There are manuscripts in the files that David P. Morgan purchased before I was born, that no editor since that date has found a way to use. Our goal today is to purchase no feature unless we're very sure we can use it within six months, because we don't want to (1) waste our limited budget (2) frustrate a contributor. Stories also perish as time goes on, and it's increasingly hard to resurrect them. It can happen, though. If you recall the Sunnyside Yard article last spring, that was purchased in 1956.

How long does editing take? The process starts early. Usually before we schedule the article there's already been a lot of discussion on story development, and the author and I and the story editor have already reached agreement on the major aspects of the story.

Are contributors consulted on editing? Of course! Rarely will there NOT be a lot of discussion between myself, the editor assigned to the story, and the writer. From the time the story is first proposed, assigned, or invented, to the moment we're finished and it goes off to production, we might talk to the author 20 or 30 times. In some cases there's a lot of involvement. I looked into my e-mail sent file on the December 2003 cover feature, and author Chris Livesay and I sent each other over 100 e-mails discussing the story as it progressed from concept to publication, plus we talked to each other on the phone over a dozen times. That's fairly typical for a cover story.

We send a galley to all feature authors at the point where it is copyfit and edited, and in most cases we pick up all of the changes and comments made by the author. The exception is when the author wants to add something, like a whole paragraph of explanation or detail, that results in a net change in the length of the story by more than a sentence or two, because it's already copyfit. In that case we'll be on the phone with the author looking for a place we can cut a paragraph out.

With more experienced writers like Don Phillips, Tom Murray, or Fred Frailey, generally the galley will come back with maybe 10 tiny changes marked on it -- a word change here, a comma there. That's partly because their articles are "pat" to begin with, partly because they know what we need and have already supplied it, and partly because they know that editors never, ever, change anything if they don't have to (because we have plenty of other things to do, like maybe go home on time instead of working evenings of unpaid overtime.)

I should add that in the case of most features there are outside experts looking at it as well. Most experienced authors have a set of reviewers they use during the process of writing the story, and by the time the author has a final manuscript put together, I'll have seen several progress versions and I'll know who on the outside has seen it too. If it's a subject that we're not conversant in ourselves, we'll usually send it out for review as well. It beats making mistakes.

Railroad Reading is different -- from a magazine production point of view it's a department, not a feature, because it shares space with ads. We don't know how many ads will be sold until very late in the game. Usually we only have 48 hours from when ads are finalized until Railroad Reading has to be finished, and in that period it has to be laid out and edited. Thus the exception to the galley rule is Railroad Reading. But generally, because these are short, first-person accounts, the only editing we have to do is for spelling, grammar, fact, length, and organization, so there's not been a problem in my experience.

The key point is that putting together a magazine like Trains is a collaborative effort (but not a committee effort) of a lot of people. Every editor at Trains sees every story at multiple points along the way. Experienced authors have built a group of experts around them (not just friends, but experts) that advise them along the way, and they rarely go wrong. In a cover story, there might be 30 or 40 people that have had a hand in the article in some way before you see it.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 2, 2003 2:39 AM
Mr. H [:)]

Your post is very informative and interesting. I am sure L C will appreciate it greatly.

The articles that you stated were outdated for the curent trains magazine could they be used the the Classic Trains magazine? As someone who appreciates history I would enjoy them. They may not be relative to today's railroading but they could serve as a glimpse of the past which would hopefully interest many people. And besides that it would just be a shame to waste them. [:(] [|)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 2, 2003 2:54 AM
Dear JHH: The Trains manuscript files are all open to Classic Trains, and vice versa. (We share the same editorial assistant and the same space and the same library, too.) Every manuscript addressed to Trains that we can't use goes over to Classic Trains before it's returned (assuming it fits their period), and vice versa.


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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 2, 2003 2:59 AM
W O W [:)]

You talk about a quick response, this was it.

Thanks for the superfast reply.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 2, 2003 12:35 PM
Mark-

Thank you very much for your reply. You have certainly given this novice writer some things to consider. I have read your contributor guidelines and I wonder if I could impose on you for your comments on two more questions.

1. Your contribution policies indicate you prefer an written inquiry or "query letter" as my published friends refer to it. Could you give us any comments about what you would consider a good outline of such a query?

2. Do you require that authors have any particular credentials or experience to be considered?

Thanks for your input.

LC

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