tatans wrote:Does anyone wonder why a North-South trade route was never established before now? North America as you know has always been an East-West preferred travel system, just too bad if you wanted to ship chicken heads from Fargo, North Dakota to Biloxi, Mississippi.?
With a North-South. no access to U.S. cities corridor, it will really be easy for us Canucks to ship hockey sticks directly to Guadalajara without stopping in any U.S. city,...
tatans wrote: Just who thinks this stuff up?
Mark:
Thanks for that link, it's pretty informative.
It had been sometime since I had read anything about it and was somewhat curious about its progress. The Tennessee,Mississippi, Arkansas section had at one time been very mucha political football. The Clinton Administration had stepped in and was trying at one point to maximize the mileage in Arkansas as much as possible and at one point had cut out Both Tennesse and Mississippi.[Their plan was to bring in the road after crossing the Mississippi River at the I-155 crossing West of dyersburg,Tn and cutting across Arkansas at a diagonal from Northeast to southwest]. I am sure this was an attempt to bloody the nose of Trent Lott, a republican and the republicans in Tennessee.
As I had previously stated, this thing had reared its ugly head here in Kansas recently, with the claims that the Feds would take 'a wide swath by eminent domaine out of the sacred farmlands of Kansas'. Which got her a lot of play in the state's newspapers.
Again, appreciate the link.
Imports from Mexico fruit & veggies, auto parts, Monarch butterflies (seasonal)
Exports from Canada, grain, auto parts, Monarch butterflies (seasonal)
samfp1943 wrote:Several years ago as a resident of the Memphis, Tn. area, I recall a number of articles on the I-69 "Nafta Highway Corridor Project". Not to mention numersous engineering and traffic study reports. At that time it was proposed that the Highway[ Starting on the North End] follow the already existant I-69 to Indianapolis, swing around Indy to the Bloomington area and then cut more or less westward to the Vincennes/Princeton area where it would connect to the US Hwy 40 corridor South through Evansville area, possibly around the East side of town on the Bypass there. Across the Ohio River through Henderson, Ky. continuing South to Junction with the West Kentucky Parkway, and then westward towards the Paducah area and turning south again following the US 51 Corridor south into Tennessee, again following the existing US-51 highway corridor to the Memphis area. At Memphis it would turn eastward around the outter bypass ( Paul Barrett Pkwy) to a point where it would connect to an east- west connector across Desoto County in Mississippi (at which point it was planned during the Clinton Era) to Bridge the Mississippi River on a new Span south of Memphis or to use an existing bridge at Friars Point, Ms. and Helena, Ark or build a new bridge and then proceed west across Arkansas to a point in East Texas where a connection to the existing US-59 Corridor was planned and take that south to Houston, and then down to Laredo or a route that was never identified at that time. [ Maybe Ed Blysard or somebody from Soth Texas can fill in that part. This past month there has been some bimbo running for office here in Kansas that has been raising the alamr that this road is to come all the way to the Kansas City area and then come south through Kansas. I think she is just getting tabloid style coverage on the back of this issue. Just my
Several years ago as a resident of the Memphis, Tn. area, I recall a number of articles on the I-69 "Nafta Highway Corridor Project". Not to mention numersous engineering and traffic study reports. At that time it was proposed that the Highway[ Starting on the North End] follow the already existant I-69 to Indianapolis, swing around Indy to the Bloomington area and then cut more or less westward to the Vincennes/Princeton area where it would connect to the US Hwy 40 corridor South through Evansville area, possibly around the East side of town on the Bypass there. Across the Ohio River through Henderson, Ky. continuing South to Junction with the West Kentucky Parkway, and then westward towards the Paducah area and turning south again following the US 51 Corridor south into Tennessee, again following the existing US-51 highway corridor to the Memphis area.
At Memphis it would turn eastward around the outter bypass ( Paul Barrett Pkwy) to a point where it would connect to an east- west connector across Desoto County in Mississippi (at which point it was planned during the Clinton Era) to Bridge the Mississippi River on a new Span south of Memphis or to use an existing bridge at Friars Point, Ms. and Helena, Ark or build a new bridge and then proceed west across Arkansas to a point in East Texas where a connection to the existing US-59 Corridor was planned and take that south to Houston, and then down to Laredo or a route that was never identified at that time. [ Maybe Ed Blysard or somebody from Soth Texas can fill in that part.
This past month there has been some bimbo running for office here in Kansas that has been raising the alamr that this road is to come all the way to the Kansas City area and then come south through Kansas. I think she is just getting tabloid style coverage on the back of this issue. Just my
This subject could really get political. What it is looking like at the moment is that North America is trying to lean or merge into one huge Union, (ALA the European Union). What we would be looking at is the borders be open to all shipping from Mexico to the Canadian tundra. Borders would thus become nothing more of a division than say a state line. Thus enabling shipping from anywhere to anywhere.
I posted a couple months ago on this site, a web site by the government that did this recommendation. It did not mention rr's specifically, just used the term transportation. So I don't know exactly where this is heading, but knowing the government, they will screw this up in some horrible way. Could you realize a common currency throughout North America? Like I said this could really get political, but it could be reality.
gabe wrote: I think your information is wrong and no. As far as I-69 goes, there already is a highway I-69 that goes from Indianapolis to somewhere in Michigan. Because the roads in Southern Indiana are so poor, there is a need to extend the highway from Indy to Evansville. You wouldn't normally associate this with Southern Indiana, but it is a hot bed of ELF (Environmental Liberation Front). They, environmental groups, and people who generally want to make sure their little--red--neck of the woods stays in the 1930s have raised quite the propaganda campain against the extension of I-69 and have dubbed it the NAFTA highway. There is quite the propaganda war going on regarding it. In any event, their are just as many ramps on the existing portion of I-69 as their are on any interstate and there are certainly planned ramps on the southern extension--should ELF fail . . . As for such a rail line, no. There already are two such railroads in all practicality. KCS and CN/IC/WC. Moreover, the amount of money for such an expansion and NIMBY would be cost prohibitive. Gabe
I think your information is wrong and no.
As far as I-69 goes, there already is a highway I-69 that goes from Indianapolis to somewhere in Michigan. Because the roads in Southern Indiana are so poor, there is a need to extend the highway from Indy to Evansville. You wouldn't normally associate this with Southern Indiana, but it is a hot bed of ELF (Environmental Liberation Front). They, environmental groups, and people who generally want to make sure their little--red--neck of the woods stays in the 1930s have raised quite the propaganda campain against the extension of I-69 and have dubbed it the NAFTA highway. There is quite the propaganda war going on regarding it. In any event, their are just as many ramps on the existing portion of I-69 as their are on any interstate and there are certainly planned ramps on the southern extension--should ELF fail . . .
As for such a rail line, no. There already are two such railroads in all practicality. KCS and CN/IC/WC. Moreover, the amount of money for such an expansion and NIMBY would be cost prohibitive.
Gabe
futuremodal wrote: Hugh Jampton wrote: I know Canadians consume a fair amount of tequilla, but enough to warrant a dedicated road?? or am I missing someting. Perhaps Mexico has developed a taste for Kokanee and BC *Bud* as well. What else does each nation have that the other would want, enough to warrant freight traffic concerns?
Hugh Jampton wrote: I know Canadians consume a fair amount of tequilla, but enough to warrant a dedicated road?? or am I missing someting.
Perhaps Mexico has developed a taste for Kokanee and BC *Bud* as well.
What else does each nation have that the other would want, enough to warrant freight traffic concerns?
There's not enough for a dedicated railway, and that's why the rumor the OP asked about isn't real.
Not that there isn't a significant amount of trade between the two. Canada is Mexico's second largest trading partner, after the U.S.. Mexico is Canada's sixth largest trading partner, but largest in Latin America.
Regards
Ed
Hugh Jampton wrote:It seems odd to me to promote such a thing, how much traffic acually moves between Mexico & Canada compared with what moves between Mexico and the US and Canada and the US. I know Canadians consume a fair amount of tequilla, but enough to warrant a dedicated road?? or am I missing someting.
For a while, KCS promoted itself, and its Mexican affiliate TFM, (now KCSdeM), as "The NAFTA Railway", and considered using that name for the parent holding company. These days they still use it as a bit of an advertising slogan, but you don't see it that much. They had one AC4400CW, #2000, painted up in KCS gray with "NAFTA Railway" in place of "KCS" on the side. Here's a shot that I took of it near Corpus Christi, Texas, back in April, 2005.
Various rumors have been swirling around (a couple in some of the threads in this forum) about the accursed "I-69", a reputedly four-football field wide superhighway to be used exclusively by through trucks btw Canada and Mexico (from what I've heard). There supposedly will be no on- or off-ramps, though one or two selected cities (I think KC was mentioned) might have terminals for these trucks to route some things into America, the better to exclude any potential union involvement or state taxes or fees to be collected.
My question(s): Does anyone here envision that the same possibility could be true for a RR? Would it be possible to build a RR from Canada to Mexico with, say, one or two selected cities where they might stop? Since transporting certain materials might be more desirable by rail than by truck, do you suppose this "I-69" might have a median of space left between it to be used for future RR conversion?
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