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nanaimo73 wrote: ..................Furthermore, the Milwaukee Road, and the PCE, had the 15 F40C locomotives. They were not listed as 45's for tax reasons. I could have changed their fuel settings to 3600 HP if I wanted to. They operated on the PCE during the night, so nobody saw them. TomorrowsTrailers will agree with me.
..................Furthermore, the Milwaukee Road, and the PCE, had the 15 F40C locomotives. They were not listed as 45's for tax reasons. I could have changed their fuel settings to 3600 HP if I wanted to. They operated on the PCE during the night, so nobody saw them. TomorrowsTrailers will agree with me.
Change their fuel settings to 3,600 horsepower? Strange........... The FP45s came with EMD 20 Cylinder 645 series prime movers. The F40C was shorter in length and came equipped with EMD 16 Cylinder 645 prime movers.
You can mechanically adjust several settings (valve timing, fuel injectors, etc.,.) on a large diesel to increase horsepower at the expense of fuel efficeiency, but from 3,000 to 3,600? Seems like a stretch.
O.K, I guess I'm in the dark. Am I missing something here?
Murphy Siding wrote: nanaimo73 wrote: The question asked which railroad had the most cowls. ATSF was always a railway, along with GN and CN. The Milwaukee Road, with the PCE is the only answer, I am the smartest person on this forum, and I have a PE. Don't trust Ed Blysard from Houston until he tells you his name and where he lives. He only wants to besmirch to Milwaukee Road, and the PCE. TomorrowsTrailers will agree with me. Strawbridge is an expert on Greyhound racing. What do buses have to do with locomotives ? Jeaton is a scoundrel. He should be appointed Commander-in-chief, Scoundrel Command. I have a PE. Burlington Northern included the Great Northern Railway, so they don't count either. And during the years in question, their MOW spending was decreased while the Milwaukee Road, and the PCE, increased their MOW spending. Furthermore, the Milwaukee Road, and the PCE, had the 15 F40C locomotives. They were not listed as 45's for tax reasons. I could have changed their fuel settings to 3600 HP if I wanted to. They operated on the PCE during the night, so nobody saw them. TomorrowsTrailers will agree with me. This message has been brought to you by Steam vs Diesels, ............ http://www.trains.com/trccs/forums/661138/ShowPost.aspx Wow! Is there a full moon out somewhere?
nanaimo73 wrote: The question asked which railroad had the most cowls. ATSF was always a railway, along with GN and CN. The Milwaukee Road, with the PCE is the only answer, I am the smartest person on this forum, and I have a PE. Don't trust Ed Blysard from Houston until he tells you his name and where he lives. He only wants to besmirch to Milwaukee Road, and the PCE. TomorrowsTrailers will agree with me. Strawbridge is an expert on Greyhound racing. What do buses have to do with locomotives ? Jeaton is a scoundrel. He should be appointed Commander-in-chief, Scoundrel Command. I have a PE. Burlington Northern included the Great Northern Railway, so they don't count either. And during the years in question, their MOW spending was decreased while the Milwaukee Road, and the PCE, increased their MOW spending. Furthermore, the Milwaukee Road, and the PCE, had the 15 F40C locomotives. They were not listed as 45's for tax reasons. I could have changed their fuel settings to 3600 HP if I wanted to. They operated on the PCE during the night, so nobody saw them. TomorrowsTrailers will agree with me. This message has been brought to you by Steam vs Diesels, ............ http://www.trains.com/trccs/forums/661138/ShowPost.aspx
The question asked which railroad had the most cowls. ATSF was always a railway, along with GN and CN. The Milwaukee Road, with the PCE is the only answer, I am the smartest person on this forum, and I have a PE. Don't trust Ed Blysard from Houston until he tells you his name and where he lives. He only wants to besmirch to Milwaukee Road, and the PCE. TomorrowsTrailers will agree with me. Strawbridge is an expert on Greyhound racing. What do buses have to do with locomotives ? Jeaton is a scoundrel. He should be appointed Commander-in-chief, Scoundrel Command. I have a PE. Burlington Northern included the Great Northern Railway, so they don't count either. And during the years in question, their MOW spending was decreased while the Milwaukee Road, and the PCE, increased their MOW spending. Furthermore, the Milwaukee Road, and the PCE, had the 15 F40C locomotives. They were not listed as 45's for tax reasons. I could have changed their fuel settings to 3600 HP if I wanted to. They operated on the PCE during the night, so nobody saw them. TomorrowsTrailers will agree with me.
This message has been brought to you by Steam vs Diesels, ............ http://www.trains.com/trccs/forums/661138/ShowPost.aspx
Wow! Is there a full moon out somewhere?
Nah, he's just been reading too many posts by certain members of this forum. By the way, nanaimo, nice shot!!!
eolafan wrote: Here in the states we will accept either railroad or railway as meaning the same thing... no big deal.
Here in the states we will accept either railroad or railway as meaning the same thing... no big deal.
And for tax and accounting reasons they will be alternated every 2-3 decades.
RailROAD or RailWAY...potaTO or paTATO, toMATO or TAmato, let's call the whole thing off.
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ATSF would be the right answer.
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Even if you only count six axle cowls, you have to count the SDP40Fs because several worked for ATSF alongside the F45s and FP45s as freight units.
The Metra F40Cs have to be counted, because I believe some of these are moving into lease service as freight units.
If you discount passenger locomotives, you have to ignore all the FP45s on ATSF and CMStP&P which were purchased as passenger units.
Even F40PH units are in freight service now!
But the 150 SDP40Fs with Amtrak are the biggest fleet excluding F40PH units.
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Hi Ed.
I always try to ignore those and I only like to count freight cowls, while those are purely passenger units and only 4 axels. I'm not sure if Zak only meant freight units (I think he did). Amtrak's SDP40s are as far as I stretch things, perhaps that's too far. I wouldn't count the F40C's as well, but I want to.
BC Rail's electric GF6C's were also freight cowls.
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Amtrak also had 25 of the GE P30CHs and 210 F40PHs.
nanaimo73 wrote: These numbers are close, probably some small errors- ATSF- 9 FP45, 6 U30CG, 40 F45, 18 SDF40-2 (ex Amtrak) = 73 (?) GN- 14 F45 BN- 45 F45 (14 ex GN) = 45 CMSP&P 5 FP45 = 5 CP Rail 25 SD40-2F = 25 BC Rail 26 C40-8M = 26 (to CN) QNS&L 3 C40-8M = 3 Canadian National 20 HR 616, 60 SD50F, 64 SD60F, 55 C40-8M, 26 C40-8M ex BCR = 225 Amtrak had 150 cowls with steam heat designed to be turned into freight engines if it shut down.
These numbers are close, probably some small errors-
ATSF- 9 FP45, 6 U30CG, 40 F45, 18 SDF40-2 (ex Amtrak) = 73 (?)
GN- 14 F45
BN- 45 F45 (14 ex GN) = 45
CMSP&P 5 FP45 = 5
CP Rail 25 SD40-2F = 25
BC Rail 26 C40-8M = 26 (to CN)
QNS&L 3 C40-8M = 3
Canadian National 20 HR 616, 60 SD50F, 64 SD60F, 55 C40-8M, 26 C40-8M ex BCR = 225
Amtrak had 150 cowls with steam heat designed to be turned into freight engines if it shut down.
Sweet !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice shots Chad but I have some too:
Mmmm....Cowls !!!!
Guys,
I was watching my Pentrix Cajon Pass and Tehachapi Loop with my son last night, and a question popped into my mind. As you know the video was shot back in the late '80s in which Santa Fe fleet had a good deal of cowls running. My question is: did Santa Fe have the most Cowls (F45, FP45) out of all the railroads that had Cowls? Does anyone know how many the others had like Great Northern, Milwaukee Road, Burlington Northern and so on?
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