QUOTE: Originally posted by emdgp92 QUOTE: Originally posted by Lord Atmo i never get busted for photography in Altoona. ever. i even get waved to by engineers and other crewmembers frequently The last time I was in Altoona, I didn't get hassled either. Most of the engineers on the Curve would blow their horns and wave. In fact, they were laughing at me when I saw them on the Curve...and then again when I beat them to the tunnels at Gallitzen :D
QUOTE: Originally posted by Lord Atmo i never get busted for photography in Altoona. ever. i even get waved to by engineers and other crewmembers frequently
QUOTE: Originally posted by cspmo QUOTE: I was threatened with arrest by a Wackenhut security person Call the Wackenbutt office and tell them where ,& when this happen, that guard would probably get fired. Security can not arrest anyone all they can do is call the Police.
QUOTE: I was threatened with arrest by a Wackenhut security person
QUOTE: Originally posted by nobullchitbids Guys, the rules are simple: 1) The First Amendment remains the fundamental law of the land. 2) Unless clearly and unambiguously posted for genuine reasons of national security (e.g. the inside of an atom-bomb assembly plant), photographing anything from a public place is permissible, and no statute trumps the Constitution. 3) The railroad has the right to regulate activity on its own land. 4) Many stations are railroad property, even though open to the public. 5) Wackenhutt Security is a private security firm; in many states, its personnel can execute arrests; however, such an arrest is no different from any other citizen's arrest, and the executing individual, if a private person, does not enjoy any kind of judicial or quasi-judicial immunity (both he and the company can be sued for damages). 6) No one is required to turn over film to anyone (even a police officer), unless he actually is under arrest -- a threat of arrest is not sufficient. 7) Even an actual police officer is not immune from suit for violating First-Amendment rights (18 U.S.C. sec. 242; 42 U.S.C.. secs. 1983, 1985). 8) Most courts have jurisdiction only over "cases" or "controversies" -- there must be an actual arrest, or a civil suit, before them for the court to defend your rights. So, show some courage, guys: The next time some self-appointed defender of the law threatens you with arrest for doing something perfectly legal, call his hand on it and tell him his alternative is to take a hike or face arrest for assault (you should call the cops, not arrest him yourself -- see above). BUT, do make certain you are on public land when you do this!
QUOTE: Originally posted by Hugh Jampton My advice: Stay away from Spain, even before the bombings train photography of any kind, even tryin to take a picture of the missus in a station brings a number of law enforcement officers running, all of them shouting; NO PHOTO!!! NO PHOTO!!, and don't even think of trying to take a picture of an actual train as they will quickly arrest you.
QUOTE: Originally posted by coldguy But I have some words for many of you amateur lawyers. You sould take the advice of the few wise posters here who are urging you to respect law enforcement. Don't think that because you are able to qoute a few lines of the constitution that you are invincible. If a police officer thinks you are acting suspiciosly, they have probable cause to stop and question you. Be polite, stop taking pictures, and answer their questions. If they tell you to put away the camera, put it away. If they tell you to leave, then leave. Don't start a civil rights rally right then and there, because you will lose. If you're a jerk and argue with an officer, they can cite you for any number of misdemearors, most commonly, loitering. Get a little loud and you're disturbing the peace. Use profanities and you're disorderly. Flip them off or spit in their general direction and you've just assaulted a police officer. Put up a fight, and you're resisting arrest. You get where I'm going here? You don't know all the information about why that officer is there. There may have been a previous incident of vandalism or some other crime at the place where you happen to be, just taking pictures. You may have accidently wandered onto private property, and someone called. Do you really want to spend some time in a squad car, or holding cell, or get maced, or taserd, over some pictures? Exercise some common sense!
QUOTE: Originally posted by dananbeth I have taken the time to read evryone posts and i have just 1 simple thing to say. If you wanna take pictures of the trains and who doesnt??? come on over to the Rochelle trainpark and snap away!!! You can take all the shots you want hassle free.
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QUOTE: Originally posted by rkcartwright Originally posted by dsktc Why are these weird times? Have we suspended the Constitution, Habeas Corpus and the rule of law? Dave You will make all those fine arguments in court. They wont be heard by the person who arrests you. And, these are weird times because terrorist activity is forefront in everyone's minds now,and a very easy excuse for just about everything involving trespassing. . I simply offer advice. Take it, or dont, live with your choice. 23 17 46 11 Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 3:57 AM Indeed, I shall make all of these fine legal arguments in court and prevail. Dave QUOTE: Originally posted by rkcartwright Originally posted by dsktc Why are these weird times? Have we suspended the Constitution, Habeas Corpus and the rule of law? Dave You will make all those fine arguments in court. They wont be heard by the person who arrests you. And, these are weird times because terrorist activity is forefront in everyone's minds now,and a very easy excuse for just about everything involving trespassing. . I simply offer advice. Take it, or dont, live with your choice. Reply Edit rkcartwright Member sinceApril 2002 From: Santee,Cal 13 posts Posted by rkcartwright on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:55 AM Originally posted by dsktc Why are these weird times? Have we suspended the Constitution, Habeas Corpus and the rule of law? Dave You will make all those fine arguments in court. They wont be heard by the person who arrests you. And, these are weird times because terrorist activity is forefront in everyone's minds now,and a very easy excuse for just about everything involving trespassing. . I simply offer advice. Take it, or dont, live with your choice. Reply Joby Member sinceJanuary 2006 33 posts Posted by Joby on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:28 AM I'm honestly not so worried about Big Brother as I am about Little Brother. Every time a cop stops me near the tracks, I realize I'm 17 and HATE Graffitti, and that the cop may suspect something along this line. But when it comes to a fellow railfan reporting me for driving into FT. Worth yard to get a shot of that MoPac SD70Ace that was parked 100 YARDS from the fence I get a bit annoyed. I understand that if I were killed, it would cause the roping off of all tracks in the region, but I frankly don't care if I were to get a good shot... It's too bad everyone is so sue-happy now. My dad told me that "back in the day", in Stockton, CA, were the WP and SP yards are side by side, SP people would respond to trespassers by telling them to go over and shoot the WP. WP people would respond by telling you you could do whatever, as long as you didn't get in the way of a train moving out. That was before the dark times. Before the Empire... Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:58 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSFrailfan QUOTE: Originally posted by bnsfkline I carry around a copy of "The photograpers rights" and that usally shuts em up and they go away grumbling. Photographing trains is NOT a federal offence, if it was, we'd ALL be in federal prison! Now that tells it like it is. npbnrailwayfan The wife and I take photos of BNSF, MRL, and Amtrak trains right from our front porch, the trains are about 100 feet away. Like to see them stop us!!! Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:51 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSFrailfan QUOTE: Originally posted by bnsfkline I carry around a copy of "The photograpers rights" and that usally shuts em up and they go away grumbling. Photographing trains is NOT a federal offence, if it was, we'd ALL be in federal prison! Now that tells it like it is. Reply Edit Gluefinger Member sinceJuly 2002 484 posts Posted by Gluefinger on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:02 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Safety Valve Turn over the film? HAH. It's all digital now. I keep a small digital film card that has random images on it. But a cop seeing a digital SLR might not realize that fact. I might want to start carrying around a 35mm roll just in case..... Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 6:15 PM Why are these weird times? Have we suspended the Constitution, Habeas Corpus and the rule of law? Dave QUOTE: Originally posted by rkcartwright ooookay, I just gotta put my two cents in & set some of this right so nobody gets hurt here. Any city or township or whatever can draw up their own ordinanace about anything and enforce it. You can quote federal law till your blue in the face, but it wont help until the day you go to court. Until then you may be in jail. #2. Private security people may have the right and power to DETAIN you, until the police arrive. How they do that depends on A. How their trained, B, How their equipped, and C, what measures the people who contracted with them will allow. I personally would not want to risk giving some nimrod wannabe who couldnt qualify to be a peace officer an excuse to mace or stun or tune me up with a baton. Some of these folks are a brick shy of a full load, and it all comes down to their word against yours. Be cool, recognize that these are weird times, and common place things in our lives are going to be different for a while till it all settles down. I go to Cajon Pass frequently and you really have to watch your step. You are dealing with people who have been stationed out in the boonies by their selves with a cell phone and an over active imagination. You dont wanna mess with some clown who hasnt taken his meds that day. And anybody who trys to argue with a genuine cop is just asking for trouble. They arent going to back down even if you show them a copy of the U.S. Constitution. . Tke it easy out there folks. It isnt worth the trouble. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 6:06 PM I have taken the time to read evryone posts and i have just 1 simple thing to say. If you wanna take pictures of the trains and who doesnt??? come on over to the Rochelle trainpark and snap away!!! You can take all the shots you want hassle free. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 4:02 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by shay1925 There is no such law. Go to this web site, print out the photographer's rights brief, carry it with you, and go have fun. Jim http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm Haven't had any problems, but I will now be carrying these with me whenever I go photograph anything, just to prevent any hassles. Thanks. [bow] [tup] [tup] [2c] Reply Edit wccobb Member sinceMay 2003 From: US 88 posts Posted by wccobb on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 3:42 PM You want obsolete? How 'bout the British steam powered submarines?? http://www.submarine-history.com/NOVAthree.htm The 6th entry under 1917 begins: "Great Britian introduced the steam-powered K-CLASS..." Anyone try writing to your U.S. Senators and/or U.S. Representative & request a copy of the: "Thou Shalt Not Photograph R R Trains Law" ??? Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 1:41 PM I have been a photographer for over 45 years, and when I applied for my Copyright from the Bureau of Copyright office, they sent me a little book. It was about the rights of photographers, and it said that as long as you were in a public place, you had a right to photograph anything you wanted. All you have to do is stay on public land, and nobody can tell you to leave. This includes bus stations, train stations, swimming pools in city parks, and railroad crossings out in the country. I also work as a conductor on a passenger train, and when we see photographers taking pictures of our train, we all wave, and smile for the camera. Some cities might have their own laws, but not all cities are the same. Reply Edit emdgp92 Member sinceDecember 2002 From: Pittsburgh, PA 1,261 posts Posted by emdgp92 on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:38 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Lord Atmo i never get busted for photography in Altoona. ever. i even get waved to by engineers and other crewmembers frequently The last time I was in Altoona, I didn't get hassled either. Most of the engineers on the Curve would blow their horns and wave. In fact, they were laughing at me when I saw them on the Curve...and then again when I beat them to the tunnels at Gallitzen :D Reply rkcartwright Member sinceApril 2002 From: Santee,Cal 13 posts Posted by rkcartwright on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:34 AM ooookay, I just gotta put my two cents in & set some of this right so nobody gets hurt here. Any city or township or whatever can draw up their own ordinanace about anything and enforce it. You can quote federal law till your blue in the face, but it wont help until the day you go to court. Until then you may be in jail. #2. Private security people may have the right and power to DETAIN you, until the police arrive. How they do that depends on A. How their trained, B, How their equipped, and C, what measures the people who contracted with them will allow. I personally would not want to risk giving some nimrod wannabe who couldnt qualify to be a peace officer an excuse to mace or stun or tune me up with a baton. Some of these folks are a brick shy of a full load, and it all comes down to their word against yours. Be cool, recognize that these are weird times, and common place things in our lives are going to be different for a while till it all settles down. I go to Cajon Pass frequently and you really have to watch your step. You are dealing with people who have been stationed out in the boonies by their selves with a cell phone and an over active imagination. You dont wanna mess with some clown who hasnt taken his meds that day. And anybody who trys to argue with a genuine cop is just asking for trouble. They arent going to back down even if you show them a copy of the U.S. Constitution. . Tke it easy out there folks. It isnt worth the trouble. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:47 AM I had a similar experience at Tri-Rail station in West Palm Beach last June. I had my five year old son with me and we had taken the train from Ft. Lauderdale to West Palm. While waiting a the Ft. L station, a grandfather with his grandson was taking pictures of the arriving and departing trains and the local Wackenhut guy even posed for one of the photos. But after we arrived in West Palm a Tri-Rail employee accosted me while I was taking a few more photos of the locomotive and the old station with its cypress wood platform. She told me that taking photos was "against the law since 9-11" and that she had been directed to call the police. Well...I talked her out of it and did quite a bit of research afterward before learning (of course) that there is no such law. Apparently, though, the Wackenhut folks are still using this tactic. FL Boy Reply Edit CNW 6000 Member sinceDecember 2005 From: MP 175.1 CN Neenah Sub 4,917 posts Posted by CNW 6000 on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:15 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by METRO QUOTE: Originally posted by ardenastationmaster -too obsolete, like a diesel submarine. Don't discount the mighty diesel. Diesel/electric subs are still the quietest in the world and the Russian Foxtrot class is purpose designed to kill American nuclear aircraft carriers on lone wolf missions without being detected. Still could be kinda useful... Now I just hope the Russians don't sell them to Iran. haha Cheers! ~METRO Nice thought...except it's too late for that. The Russians have sold the Iranians some "Kilo" class diesel electric subs that are newer and quieter than the Foxtrot class. Dan Reply METRO Member sinceOctober 2003 From: Milwaukee & Toronto 929 posts Posted by METRO on Monday, April 24, 2006 11:40 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by ardenastationmaster -too obsolete, like a diesel submarine. Don't discount the mighty diesel. Diesel/electric subs are still the quietest in the world and the Russian Foxtrot class is purpose designed to kill American nuclear aircraft carriers on lone wolf missions without being detected. Still could be kinda useful... Now I just hope the Russians don't sell them to Iran. haha Cheers! ~METRO Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by dsktc Why are these weird times? Have we suspended the Constitution, Habeas Corpus and the rule of law? Dave You will make all those fine arguments in court. They wont be heard by the person who arrests you. And, these are weird times because terrorist activity is forefront in everyone's minds now,and a very easy excuse for just about everything involving trespassing. . I simply offer advice. Take it, or dont, live with your choice.
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QUOTE: Originally posted by rkcartwright Originally posted by dsktc Why are these weird times? Have we suspended the Constitution, Habeas Corpus and the rule of law? Dave You will make all those fine arguments in court. They wont be heard by the person who arrests you. And, these are weird times because terrorist activity is forefront in everyone's minds now,and a very easy excuse for just about everything involving trespassing. . I simply offer advice. Take it, or dont, live with your choice. Reply Edit rkcartwright Member sinceApril 2002 From: Santee,Cal 13 posts Posted by rkcartwright on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:55 AM Originally posted by dsktc Why are these weird times? Have we suspended the Constitution, Habeas Corpus and the rule of law? Dave You will make all those fine arguments in court. They wont be heard by the person who arrests you. And, these are weird times because terrorist activity is forefront in everyone's minds now,and a very easy excuse for just about everything involving trespassing. . I simply offer advice. Take it, or dont, live with your choice. Reply Joby Member sinceJanuary 2006 33 posts Posted by Joby on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:28 AM I'm honestly not so worried about Big Brother as I am about Little Brother. Every time a cop stops me near the tracks, I realize I'm 17 and HATE Graffitti, and that the cop may suspect something along this line. But when it comes to a fellow railfan reporting me for driving into FT. Worth yard to get a shot of that MoPac SD70Ace that was parked 100 YARDS from the fence I get a bit annoyed. I understand that if I were killed, it would cause the roping off of all tracks in the region, but I frankly don't care if I were to get a good shot... It's too bad everyone is so sue-happy now. My dad told me that "back in the day", in Stockton, CA, were the WP and SP yards are side by side, SP people would respond to trespassers by telling them to go over and shoot the WP. WP people would respond by telling you you could do whatever, as long as you didn't get in the way of a train moving out. That was before the dark times. Before the Empire... Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:58 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSFrailfan QUOTE: Originally posted by bnsfkline I carry around a copy of "The photograpers rights" and that usally shuts em up and they go away grumbling. Photographing trains is NOT a federal offence, if it was, we'd ALL be in federal prison! Now that tells it like it is. npbnrailwayfan The wife and I take photos of BNSF, MRL, and Amtrak trains right from our front porch, the trains are about 100 feet away. Like to see them stop us!!! Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:51 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSFrailfan QUOTE: Originally posted by bnsfkline I carry around a copy of "The photograpers rights" and that usally shuts em up and they go away grumbling. Photographing trains is NOT a federal offence, if it was, we'd ALL be in federal prison! Now that tells it like it is. Reply Edit Gluefinger Member sinceJuly 2002 484 posts Posted by Gluefinger on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:02 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Safety Valve Turn over the film? HAH. It's all digital now. I keep a small digital film card that has random images on it. But a cop seeing a digital SLR might not realize that fact. I might want to start carrying around a 35mm roll just in case..... Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 6:15 PM Why are these weird times? Have we suspended the Constitution, Habeas Corpus and the rule of law? Dave QUOTE: Originally posted by rkcartwright ooookay, I just gotta put my two cents in & set some of this right so nobody gets hurt here. Any city or township or whatever can draw up their own ordinanace about anything and enforce it. You can quote federal law till your blue in the face, but it wont help until the day you go to court. Until then you may be in jail. #2. Private security people may have the right and power to DETAIN you, until the police arrive. How they do that depends on A. How their trained, B, How their equipped, and C, what measures the people who contracted with them will allow. I personally would not want to risk giving some nimrod wannabe who couldnt qualify to be a peace officer an excuse to mace or stun or tune me up with a baton. Some of these folks are a brick shy of a full load, and it all comes down to their word against yours. Be cool, recognize that these are weird times, and common place things in our lives are going to be different for a while till it all settles down. I go to Cajon Pass frequently and you really have to watch your step. You are dealing with people who have been stationed out in the boonies by their selves with a cell phone and an over active imagination. You dont wanna mess with some clown who hasnt taken his meds that day. And anybody who trys to argue with a genuine cop is just asking for trouble. They arent going to back down even if you show them a copy of the U.S. Constitution. . Tke it easy out there folks. It isnt worth the trouble. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 6:06 PM I have taken the time to read evryone posts and i have just 1 simple thing to say. If you wanna take pictures of the trains and who doesnt??? come on over to the Rochelle trainpark and snap away!!! You can take all the shots you want hassle free. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 4:02 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by shay1925 There is no such law. Go to this web site, print out the photographer's rights brief, carry it with you, and go have fun. Jim http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm Haven't had any problems, but I will now be carrying these with me whenever I go photograph anything, just to prevent any hassles. Thanks. [bow] [tup] [tup] [2c] Reply Edit wccobb Member sinceMay 2003 From: US 88 posts Posted by wccobb on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 3:42 PM You want obsolete? How 'bout the British steam powered submarines?? http://www.submarine-history.com/NOVAthree.htm The 6th entry under 1917 begins: "Great Britian introduced the steam-powered K-CLASS..." Anyone try writing to your U.S. Senators and/or U.S. Representative & request a copy of the: "Thou Shalt Not Photograph R R Trains Law" ??? Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 1:41 PM I have been a photographer for over 45 years, and when I applied for my Copyright from the Bureau of Copyright office, they sent me a little book. It was about the rights of photographers, and it said that as long as you were in a public place, you had a right to photograph anything you wanted. All you have to do is stay on public land, and nobody can tell you to leave. This includes bus stations, train stations, swimming pools in city parks, and railroad crossings out in the country. I also work as a conductor on a passenger train, and when we see photographers taking pictures of our train, we all wave, and smile for the camera. Some cities might have their own laws, but not all cities are the same. Reply Edit emdgp92 Member sinceDecember 2002 From: Pittsburgh, PA 1,261 posts Posted by emdgp92 on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:38 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Lord Atmo i never get busted for photography in Altoona. ever. i even get waved to by engineers and other crewmembers frequently The last time I was in Altoona, I didn't get hassled either. Most of the engineers on the Curve would blow their horns and wave. In fact, they were laughing at me when I saw them on the Curve...and then again when I beat them to the tunnels at Gallitzen :D Reply rkcartwright Member sinceApril 2002 From: Santee,Cal 13 posts Posted by rkcartwright on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:34 AM ooookay, I just gotta put my two cents in & set some of this right so nobody gets hurt here. Any city or township or whatever can draw up their own ordinanace about anything and enforce it. You can quote federal law till your blue in the face, but it wont help until the day you go to court. Until then you may be in jail. #2. Private security people may have the right and power to DETAIN you, until the police arrive. How they do that depends on A. How their trained, B, How their equipped, and C, what measures the people who contracted with them will allow. I personally would not want to risk giving some nimrod wannabe who couldnt qualify to be a peace officer an excuse to mace or stun or tune me up with a baton. Some of these folks are a brick shy of a full load, and it all comes down to their word against yours. Be cool, recognize that these are weird times, and common place things in our lives are going to be different for a while till it all settles down. I go to Cajon Pass frequently and you really have to watch your step. You are dealing with people who have been stationed out in the boonies by their selves with a cell phone and an over active imagination. You dont wanna mess with some clown who hasnt taken his meds that day. And anybody who trys to argue with a genuine cop is just asking for trouble. They arent going to back down even if you show them a copy of the U.S. Constitution. . Tke it easy out there folks. It isnt worth the trouble. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:47 AM I had a similar experience at Tri-Rail station in West Palm Beach last June. I had my five year old son with me and we had taken the train from Ft. Lauderdale to West Palm. While waiting a the Ft. L station, a grandfather with his grandson was taking pictures of the arriving and departing trains and the local Wackenhut guy even posed for one of the photos. But after we arrived in West Palm a Tri-Rail employee accosted me while I was taking a few more photos of the locomotive and the old station with its cypress wood platform. She told me that taking photos was "against the law since 9-11" and that she had been directed to call the police. Well...I talked her out of it and did quite a bit of research afterward before learning (of course) that there is no such law. Apparently, though, the Wackenhut folks are still using this tactic. FL Boy Reply Edit CNW 6000 Member sinceDecember 2005 From: MP 175.1 CN Neenah Sub 4,917 posts Posted by CNW 6000 on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:15 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by METRO QUOTE: Originally posted by ardenastationmaster -too obsolete, like a diesel submarine. Don't discount the mighty diesel. Diesel/electric subs are still the quietest in the world and the Russian Foxtrot class is purpose designed to kill American nuclear aircraft carriers on lone wolf missions without being detected. Still could be kinda useful... Now I just hope the Russians don't sell them to Iran. haha Cheers! ~METRO Nice thought...except it's too late for that. The Russians have sold the Iranians some "Kilo" class diesel electric subs that are newer and quieter than the Foxtrot class. Dan Reply METRO Member sinceOctober 2003 From: Milwaukee & Toronto 929 posts Posted by METRO on Monday, April 24, 2006 11:40 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by ardenastationmaster -too obsolete, like a diesel submarine. Don't discount the mighty diesel. Diesel/electric subs are still the quietest in the world and the Russian Foxtrot class is purpose designed to kill American nuclear aircraft carriers on lone wolf missions without being detected. Still could be kinda useful... Now I just hope the Russians don't sell them to Iran. haha Cheers! ~METRO Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by dsktc Why are these weird times? Have we suspended the Constitution, Habeas Corpus and the rule of law? Dave You will make all those fine arguments in court. They wont be heard by the person who arrests you. And, these are weird times because terrorist activity is forefront in everyone's minds now,and a very easy excuse for just about everything involving trespassing. . I simply offer advice. Take it, or dont, live with your choice. Reply Joby Member sinceJanuary 2006 33 posts Posted by Joby on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:28 AM I'm honestly not so worried about Big Brother as I am about Little Brother. Every time a cop stops me near the tracks, I realize I'm 17 and HATE Graffitti, and that the cop may suspect something along this line. But when it comes to a fellow railfan reporting me for driving into FT. Worth yard to get a shot of that MoPac SD70Ace that was parked 100 YARDS from the fence I get a bit annoyed. I understand that if I were killed, it would cause the roping off of all tracks in the region, but I frankly don't care if I were to get a good shot... It's too bad everyone is so sue-happy now. My dad told me that "back in the day", in Stockton, CA, were the WP and SP yards are side by side, SP people would respond to trespassers by telling them to go over and shoot the WP. WP people would respond by telling you you could do whatever, as long as you didn't get in the way of a train moving out. That was before the dark times. Before the Empire... Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:58 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSFrailfan QUOTE: Originally posted by bnsfkline I carry around a copy of "The photograpers rights" and that usally shuts em up and they go away grumbling. Photographing trains is NOT a federal offence, if it was, we'd ALL be in federal prison! Now that tells it like it is. npbnrailwayfan The wife and I take photos of BNSF, MRL, and Amtrak trains right from our front porch, the trains are about 100 feet away. Like to see them stop us!!! Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:51 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSFrailfan QUOTE: Originally posted by bnsfkline I carry around a copy of "The photograpers rights" and that usally shuts em up and they go away grumbling. Photographing trains is NOT a federal offence, if it was, we'd ALL be in federal prison! Now that tells it like it is. Reply Edit Gluefinger Member sinceJuly 2002 484 posts Posted by Gluefinger on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:02 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Safety Valve Turn over the film? HAH. It's all digital now. I keep a small digital film card that has random images on it. But a cop seeing a digital SLR might not realize that fact. I might want to start carrying around a 35mm roll just in case..... Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 6:15 PM Why are these weird times? Have we suspended the Constitution, Habeas Corpus and the rule of law? Dave QUOTE: Originally posted by rkcartwright ooookay, I just gotta put my two cents in & set some of this right so nobody gets hurt here. Any city or township or whatever can draw up their own ordinanace about anything and enforce it. You can quote federal law till your blue in the face, but it wont help until the day you go to court. Until then you may be in jail. #2. Private security people may have the right and power to DETAIN you, until the police arrive. How they do that depends on A. How their trained, B, How their equipped, and C, what measures the people who contracted with them will allow. I personally would not want to risk giving some nimrod wannabe who couldnt qualify to be a peace officer an excuse to mace or stun or tune me up with a baton. Some of these folks are a brick shy of a full load, and it all comes down to their word against yours. Be cool, recognize that these are weird times, and common place things in our lives are going to be different for a while till it all settles down. I go to Cajon Pass frequently and you really have to watch your step. You are dealing with people who have been stationed out in the boonies by their selves with a cell phone and an over active imagination. You dont wanna mess with some clown who hasnt taken his meds that day. And anybody who trys to argue with a genuine cop is just asking for trouble. They arent going to back down even if you show them a copy of the U.S. Constitution. . Tke it easy out there folks. It isnt worth the trouble. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 6:06 PM I have taken the time to read evryone posts and i have just 1 simple thing to say. If you wanna take pictures of the trains and who doesnt??? come on over to the Rochelle trainpark and snap away!!! You can take all the shots you want hassle free. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 4:02 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by shay1925 There is no such law. Go to this web site, print out the photographer's rights brief, carry it with you, and go have fun. Jim http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm Haven't had any problems, but I will now be carrying these with me whenever I go photograph anything, just to prevent any hassles. Thanks. [bow] [tup] [tup] [2c] Reply Edit wccobb Member sinceMay 2003 From: US 88 posts Posted by wccobb on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 3:42 PM You want obsolete? How 'bout the British steam powered submarines?? http://www.submarine-history.com/NOVAthree.htm The 6th entry under 1917 begins: "Great Britian introduced the steam-powered K-CLASS..." Anyone try writing to your U.S. Senators and/or U.S. Representative & request a copy of the: "Thou Shalt Not Photograph R R Trains Law" ??? Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 1:41 PM I have been a photographer for over 45 years, and when I applied for my Copyright from the Bureau of Copyright office, they sent me a little book. It was about the rights of photographers, and it said that as long as you were in a public place, you had a right to photograph anything you wanted. All you have to do is stay on public land, and nobody can tell you to leave. This includes bus stations, train stations, swimming pools in city parks, and railroad crossings out in the country. I also work as a conductor on a passenger train, and when we see photographers taking pictures of our train, we all wave, and smile for the camera. Some cities might have their own laws, but not all cities are the same. Reply Edit emdgp92 Member sinceDecember 2002 From: Pittsburgh, PA 1,261 posts Posted by emdgp92 on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:38 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Lord Atmo i never get busted for photography in Altoona. ever. i even get waved to by engineers and other crewmembers frequently The last time I was in Altoona, I didn't get hassled either. Most of the engineers on the Curve would blow their horns and wave. In fact, they were laughing at me when I saw them on the Curve...and then again when I beat them to the tunnels at Gallitzen :D Reply rkcartwright Member sinceApril 2002 From: Santee,Cal 13 posts Posted by rkcartwright on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 10:34 AM ooookay, I just gotta put my two cents in & set some of this right so nobody gets hurt here. Any city or township or whatever can draw up their own ordinanace about anything and enforce it. You can quote federal law till your blue in the face, but it wont help until the day you go to court. Until then you may be in jail. #2. Private security people may have the right and power to DETAIN you, until the police arrive. How they do that depends on A. How their trained, B, How their equipped, and C, what measures the people who contracted with them will allow. I personally would not want to risk giving some nimrod wannabe who couldnt qualify to be a peace officer an excuse to mace or stun or tune me up with a baton. Some of these folks are a brick shy of a full load, and it all comes down to their word against yours. Be cool, recognize that these are weird times, and common place things in our lives are going to be different for a while till it all settles down. I go to Cajon Pass frequently and you really have to watch your step. You are dealing with people who have been stationed out in the boonies by their selves with a cell phone and an over active imagination. You dont wanna mess with some clown who hasnt taken his meds that day. And anybody who trys to argue with a genuine cop is just asking for trouble. They arent going to back down even if you show them a copy of the U.S. Constitution. . Tke it easy out there folks. It isnt worth the trouble. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:47 AM I had a similar experience at Tri-Rail station in West Palm Beach last June. I had my five year old son with me and we had taken the train from Ft. Lauderdale to West Palm. While waiting a the Ft. L station, a grandfather with his grandson was taking pictures of the arriving and departing trains and the local Wackenhut guy even posed for one of the photos. But after we arrived in West Palm a Tri-Rail employee accosted me while I was taking a few more photos of the locomotive and the old station with its cypress wood platform. She told me that taking photos was "against the law since 9-11" and that she had been directed to call the police. Well...I talked her out of it and did quite a bit of research afterward before learning (of course) that there is no such law. Apparently, though, the Wackenhut folks are still using this tactic. FL Boy Reply Edit CNW 6000 Member sinceDecember 2005 From: MP 175.1 CN Neenah Sub 4,917 posts Posted by CNW 6000 on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:15 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by METRO QUOTE: Originally posted by ardenastationmaster -too obsolete, like a diesel submarine. Don't discount the mighty diesel. Diesel/electric subs are still the quietest in the world and the Russian Foxtrot class is purpose designed to kill American nuclear aircraft carriers on lone wolf missions without being detected. Still could be kinda useful... Now I just hope the Russians don't sell them to Iran. haha Cheers! ~METRO Nice thought...except it's too late for that. The Russians have sold the Iranians some "Kilo" class diesel electric subs that are newer and quieter than the Foxtrot class. Dan Reply METRO Member sinceOctober 2003 From: Milwaukee & Toronto 929 posts Posted by METRO on Monday, April 24, 2006 11:40 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by ardenastationmaster -too obsolete, like a diesel submarine. Don't discount the mighty diesel. Diesel/electric subs are still the quietest in the world and the Russian Foxtrot class is purpose designed to kill American nuclear aircraft carriers on lone wolf missions without being detected. Still could be kinda useful... Now I just hope the Russians don't sell them to Iran. haha Cheers! ~METRO Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSFrailfan QUOTE: Originally posted by bnsfkline I carry around a copy of "The photograpers rights" and that usally shuts em up and they go away grumbling. Photographing trains is NOT a federal offence, if it was, we'd ALL be in federal prison! Now that tells it like it is.
QUOTE: Originally posted by bnsfkline I carry around a copy of "The photograpers rights" and that usally shuts em up and they go away grumbling. Photographing trains is NOT a federal offence, if it was, we'd ALL be in federal prison!
QUOTE: Originally posted by Safety Valve Turn over the film? HAH. It's all digital now. I keep a small digital film card that has random images on it.
QUOTE: Originally posted by rkcartwright ooookay, I just gotta put my two cents in & set some of this right so nobody gets hurt here. Any city or township or whatever can draw up their own ordinanace about anything and enforce it. You can quote federal law till your blue in the face, but it wont help until the day you go to court. Until then you may be in jail. #2. Private security people may have the right and power to DETAIN you, until the police arrive. How they do that depends on A. How their trained, B, How their equipped, and C, what measures the people who contracted with them will allow. I personally would not want to risk giving some nimrod wannabe who couldnt qualify to be a peace officer an excuse to mace or stun or tune me up with a baton. Some of these folks are a brick shy of a full load, and it all comes down to their word against yours. Be cool, recognize that these are weird times, and common place things in our lives are going to be different for a while till it all settles down. I go to Cajon Pass frequently and you really have to watch your step. You are dealing with people who have been stationed out in the boonies by their selves with a cell phone and an over active imagination. You dont wanna mess with some clown who hasnt taken his meds that day. And anybody who trys to argue with a genuine cop is just asking for trouble. They arent going to back down even if you show them a copy of the U.S. Constitution. . Tke it easy out there folks. It isnt worth the trouble.
QUOTE: Originally posted by shay1925 There is no such law. Go to this web site, print out the photographer's rights brief, carry it with you, and go have fun. Jim http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm
QUOTE: Originally posted by METRO QUOTE: Originally posted by ardenastationmaster -too obsolete, like a diesel submarine. Don't discount the mighty diesel. Diesel/electric subs are still the quietest in the world and the Russian Foxtrot class is purpose designed to kill American nuclear aircraft carriers on lone wolf missions without being detected. Still could be kinda useful... Now I just hope the Russians don't sell them to Iran. haha Cheers! ~METRO
QUOTE: Originally posted by ardenastationmaster -too obsolete, like a diesel submarine.
Dan
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