QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSFrailfan I was searching the TV Guide web site to see if there where gona be any Train programs coming on. And I happen to come accross this. Why someone would do somthing like this is beyond me. I just thought Id show you guys.
QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates QUOTE: Originally posted by solzrules It's really disturbing to realize there are people with views like yours out there, virtually guaranteeing that my vote on election day, will be cancelled out in balance. But at least there is consolation in knowing that I can return the favor, and you can bet I will. [}:)]
QUOTE: Originally posted by solzrules
QUOTE: Originally posted by solzrules On a lighter note- what do you have against Steven Seagal?? At least Seagal didn't get out and stop the train with a couple of ninja moves. That might be a little too much.
QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates If ( for instance) you lied to me, I could choose to hate you ever after (rebel against you,what ever) notwithstanding whether I think you are correct or incorrect on subsequent matters. Try to think of it in terms of "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me" Once an entity has betrayed a trust, there is no longer any obligation to give that entity the benefit of the doubt on subsequent occasion, IMO.
QUOTE: U'mmm, I think I made up my mind when they were airlifting the last Americans out of Saigon...
QUOTE: I'm not sure that the creators of this movie were under any obligation to teach that message. Maybe that is what YOU think the message should be, but I suspect the movie's creator had other plans. Maybe the kid just saw the movie "Dark Territory", and is determined to not let Steven Seagal ruin yet another 125 minutes of his life? [:D][:D]
QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz Gotta throw this out there. I don't know why, but I gotta. By MICHELLE SPITZER, Associated Press Writer MIAMI - The deputy press secretary for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security was arrested Tuesday for using the Internet to seduce what he thought was a teenage girl, authorities said. Brian J. Doyle, 55, was arrested at his residence in Maryland on charges of use of a computer to seduce a child and transmission of harmful material to a minor. The charges were issued out of Polk County, Fla. Doyle, of Silver Spring, Md., had a sexually explicit conversation with what he believed was a 14-year-old girl whose profile he saw on the Internet on March 14, the Polk County Sheriff's Office said in a statement. The girl was an undercover Polk County Sheriff's Computer Crimes detective, the sheriff's office said. Doyle sent the girl pornographic movie clips and had sexually explicit conversations via the Internet, the statement said. During other online conversations, Doyle revealed his name, that he worked for the Homeland Security Department and offered his office and government issued cell phone numbers, the sheriff's office said. Doyle also sent photos of himself to the girl, but authorities said they were not sexually explicit. On several occasions, Doyle instructed her to perform a sexual act while thinking of him and described explicit activities he wanted to have with her, investigators said. Doyle later had a telephone conversation with an undercover deputy posing as the teenager and encouraged her to purchase a web camera to send graphic images of herself to him, the sheriff's office said. He was booked into Maryland's Montgomery County jail where he was waiting to be extradited to Florida, the sheriff's office said. There was no immediate response to messages left on Doyle's government-issued cell phone and his e-mail, and he could not be reached by phone at the jail for comment. Homeland Security press secretary Russ Knocke in Washington said he could not comment on the details of the investigation. "We take these allegations very seriously, and we will cooperate fully with the ongoing investigation," Knocke said. =================================================================== It's good to know our "security" is in such capable hands. I wonder what else is in those hands.....
QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz 1. I am well aware of how wheels cut flesh. I've pulled the pieces of what were once humans out from under my locomotive.
QUOTE: 2. I agree. Saddam needed to be ousted. However, that fact hardly justifies the US killing tens of thousands of Iraqi citizens. If Saddam killed 100,000 and we kill "only" 20,000, are we less evil or is Saddam more evil? At what body count do we become the "good guys". Our country was in no direct danger from Iraq. There had to have been a better way to get rid of Saddam; it would hve just taken more planning.
QUOTE: 3.What rights have I lost? The right to freely assemble to protest (you now must have a permit, authorized by the very administration you are seeking to protest against. Any other picketing is now illegal under the "patriot" act. I have lost the right to be free of unreasonable searches of my person and property.Have you ever read of any of the accounts of railfans hassled by the cops. Cameras confiscated. Film destroyed. Arrest records. A cop can use the fact that you are not wearing a seatbelt as justification to search your vehicle; and if you refuse, the make you wait until the K9 unit arrives and they do a "walk-around" with the dog. What f*cking justification can you possibly give to that?!? The fact tat I am not wearing a seatbelt make me a drug-runner? PLEASE! Shall I go on?
QUOTE: Sure, right now you still have some freedoms left, and as long as you focus on what you have (exactly what "they" want you to do), you lose sight of what you have lost. What "legitimate concern" do you really have about the potential of a terrorist attack? Do you really think a terrorism act is going to happen to you? Do you worry that unless the government consider everyone "guilty until proven innocent", and wiretaps thousands of American citizens, that Armageddon is just around the corner?
QUOTE: 4. Population controls? It's not the number of people that are the problem. It is that a certain segment of Western society is so self-indulgent, that they never consider the effects their actions have on anyone else. Does the soccer mom really need a Hummer to drive her brats all over the place?
QUOTE: It is that a select few rich countries thumb their noses at Mother Earth thinking that they are above natural law, and that it is more important that corporations get rich, than it is that we are going to leave our kids a planet so messed up climatalogically that they will never know "normal" weather. Yes, the plants need carbon dioxide to survive; however, we are producing it so fast the neither the plants nor the oceans can absorb it fast enough. The rest ends up in the atmosphere. --------------------- BTW..Did you know that the Gulf Stream's flow has been reduced by almost 20% in the last few years? Do you know what will happen to the climate of Northern Europe when the Gulf Stream circulation stops? Look at the latitude of England or Ireland, then compare that number with Siberia or Northern Canada. THAT is the climate Europe is going to have. Europe is warm ONLY beause of the warm water the Gulf circulation provides. Why is the flow slowing? Due to the dilution of seawater by the melting of fresh-water icepacks above the Arctic circle, which has been proven to be caused by the recent warming of the Earth's climate. ------------------------
QUOTE: 5. I am glad you gather info from many sources. Perhaps there is still hope for you yet. Quoted from your post: "Most of it is unimportant garbage about......how the government lies to us.". Egad! Do you really feel that "how our government lies to us" is unimportant? You've stumped me there! I don't know how to even respond to that.
QUOTE: Solzrules, I have no intention to ridicule you. Like you, I am agreeing to disagree. You seem like a thoughtful, intelligent person, and I guess I am surprised by some of your replies. I bear you no hard feelings. It's just that I'm rather passionate when it comes to the way the citizens of not only the US, but all over the world are being manipulated and abused by their respective governments. And hardly anyone seems to notice or care.
QUOTE: Originally posted by solzrules You obviously missed my sarcasm.
QUOTE: I completely disagree with that logic.
QUOTE: If any entity is wrong 100 percent of the time because they are guilty of lying part of the time,
QUOTE: And where did you hear we were losing the Vietnam war?
QUOTE: As for this kid, movies are no exscuse for illegal behavior. Do you think the picture would have shown this young inquisitive genious that trains are dangerous if you aren't paying attention?
QUOTE: Originally posted by solzrules QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz Of course I saw the photo at the top of this thread. How long does it take to get off the tracks? A few seconds? Big deal! Even I can move that fast. 1. Sorry, doesn't change the fact that he is a moron. Just because you THINK that you can move fast enough doesn't mean you can. Wheels cut flesh in fractions of a second, not seconds. No one can move that fast. QUOTE: And my first paragraph may be a generalization, but the 'factual' support is available any time you actually pay attention to the news (unless you are brain-dead from watching the Fox network). For instance: We are at war because of........what? "They" told us WMD's were everywhere in Iraq. 2. They were. Sadam used them on his own people. Tens of thousands of them. Maybe even hundreds of thousands of them. It all depends how many more mass graves they find. The neat thing about Sadam's regime was that it didn't need bio weapons to kill lots of people (even though they used them). Wood chippers worked just fine in a pinch. I absolutely refuse to feel bad about taking this guy out. I have yet to hear what the better alternative was. UN sanctions? The French had their hands rammed into that cookie jar. UN military action? Yeah, that worked great in Rawanda. Only 100,000 or so people died there while the UN was 'keeping the peace'. QUOTE: We had the so-called "Patriot" Act rammed down our once-free throats because of .....what? "They" told us terrorists were lurking around every corner ready to steal our children and blow up our BMW's and our health clubs and our trains 3. I am still free to express myself, go to church, read any news media I want, and assemble where I want. I fail to see what rights were lost. What rights have you lost? Reading about some scenario that a lawyer thought of were you might have to go to a military tribunal insted of a civil court system doesn't count. That is predicated on you doing something illegal, in which case you should lose rights anyway. As for blowing up health clubs and trains, well, it seems to me there is legitimit concern about that. QUOTE: Global warming is of no concern because of.......what? "They" told us it has nothing to do with the billions of tons of carbon dioxide we are pumping into the atmosphere every year due to fossil fuels (which our current administration has much financila interest in). And that is just the tip of the (melting) iceberg. Shall I go on, or do you get the point yet? 4. Unless we start implementing massive population controls (i.e. communism) you are going to have to deal with carbon dioxide. Again, the neat thing about carbon dioxide is that plants need it to survive. As for having financial interest in oil - it is a great investment right now. Michel Moore must agree with me, he owns shares of Haliburton. Or at least he did until he got found out on his tax return (sniff sniff, a new documentary maybe?) Teddy the Kennedy must also like oil because the Kennedy family has interests in several oil wells out east. Apparently if there is money to be made no industry is sacred. Smells like capitalism to me. QUOTE: Perhaps if you would stop having your world-view shaped by what you see on tv, you would realize that there are other ways of defining a person or a generation by what the mass-media feeds into your brain (hence my comment about the brain-dead adults). Or if you must use tv as your source, try PBS occassionally; it might stimulate some latent information-gathering brain cells. 5. I gather news from multiple sources, including this forum. I also gather news from the newspaper, online, tv, radio, and word of mouth. The real talent comes in deciphering what is garbage and what is good. Most of it is unimportant garbage about how you should live your life or how the government lies to us. When the anchor comes on TV and says that (change to very dramatic voice) "...it has been discovered in the latest Zogby poll that 64% of Americans think president Bush is stupid...." I tend to write that off as a very useless poll about nothing. Why did they re-elect him? Who is the stupid one? The president or the people who voted him in? QUOTE: And who said anything about fighting the system? There are other ways around a problem other than fighting. There is a difference between fighting the system and working within the system to effect change. But it would be difficult to see the need for change if one has become a part of the system that needs changing. In time, you will hopefully see that too. BTW, thaks for the back-handed compliment. I am comforted by the fact that you feel there is still hope for me. I am certainly no part of any system. Just look at all the people who responded in support of you. If you want to be independent, try supporting your government when everyone insists the president is retarded. You'll find who your real 'friends' are in a jiffy. How can I be brainwashed when I am the only one saying these things? All that aside, no hard feelings, Zardoz. As a union member, I have been able to cope with being ridiculed for many a year before this forum and I am sure that I will be ridiculed for many more. No sense to get angry about it, but I will still disagree. Ryan
QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz Of course I saw the photo at the top of this thread. How long does it take to get off the tracks? A few seconds? Big deal! Even I can move that fast.
QUOTE: And my first paragraph may be a generalization, but the 'factual' support is available any time you actually pay attention to the news (unless you are brain-dead from watching the Fox network). For instance: We are at war because of........what? "They" told us WMD's were everywhere in Iraq.
QUOTE: We had the so-called "Patriot" Act rammed down our once-free throats because of .....what? "They" told us terrorists were lurking around every corner ready to steal our children and blow up our BMW's and our health clubs and our trains
QUOTE: Global warming is of no concern because of.......what? "They" told us it has nothing to do with the billions of tons of carbon dioxide we are pumping into the atmosphere every year due to fossil fuels (which our current administration has much financila interest in). And that is just the tip of the (melting) iceberg. Shall I go on, or do you get the point yet?
QUOTE: Perhaps if you would stop having your world-view shaped by what you see on tv, you would realize that there are other ways of defining a person or a generation by what the mass-media feeds into your brain (hence my comment about the brain-dead adults). Or if you must use tv as your source, try PBS occassionally; it might stimulate some latent information-gathering brain cells.
QUOTE: And who said anything about fighting the system? There are other ways around a problem other than fighting. There is a difference between fighting the system and working within the system to effect change. But it would be difficult to see the need for change if one has become a part of the system that needs changing. In time, you will hopefully see that too. BTW, thaks for the back-handed compliment. I am comforted by the fact that you feel there is still hope for me.
QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates QUOTE: Originally posted by solzrules Yes and because of these instances we have justification to assume everything from the government is lies and all politicians are liars. I love this logic! . You should love that logic, for it is only your own.No one but you has said such a thing. At the same time, given the demonstrated past willingness to mislead the american public, it would be even more absurd to pretend "oh they are our government, and only care about what's best for us" As Zardoz was saying though, the demonstrated willingness of our government to lie to us, time and again, is where our youth learns disrespect for authority, and derives their will to rebel. Why heed to someone who you cannot trust? is at the root of it. I'm old enough to remember the Gov't cooking faux news spin that we were winning the war in Vietnam, because they thought voter support for the cause was crucial to their agenda. Totally in opposition to the truth. Funny, but they were sending WAY more 18 year olds than 50 year old politicians into the combat zone, so I wonder where the kids get this screwy idea to rebel? Anyway, the kid obviously is NOT trespassing, movie production companies pay well for temporary use of other people's property, and clearly it was just a stunt. So sorry to cheat fate, but there will be no Darwin award this time.
QUOTE: Originally posted by solzrules Yes and because of these instances we have justification to assume everything from the government is lies and all politicians are liars. I love this logic! .
QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates Incredible that in this post warren commission, post watergate, post "I never inhaled", post Monicagate, post "faulty intelligence" world that we live in, there are still some who refuse to acknowledge that our government has lied to us, only whenever conveniant... I doubt that those were the only times, either. Just the tip of the iceberg, I'm sure.
QUOTE: Originally posted by SDR_North Image As Per; http://www.gonemovies.com/WWW/MyWebFilms/Drama/TrainSpotting1.htm http://www.citybeat.com/archives/1996/issue237/film1.html
Have fun with your trains
QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSFrailfan His Hands are tied behind his back. His neck is tied to the Track and his legs are also tied to the Track. That's just crazy.
James, Brisbane Australia
Modelling AT&SF in the 90s
QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 Good points, friends! BTW: CSXRules4eva, you don't listen to modern jazz? Hmmmmmm. I got the impression that you did. ( I've noticed that most deep thinkers with cool, laid back personalities are usually jazz fans) Peace.
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QUOTE: Originally posted by farmer03 Preach it brotha man!!! Nice to see someone who can think for himself.
QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz QUOTE: Originally posted by solzrules Originally posted by zardoz Of course I saw the photo at the top of this thread. How long does it take to get off the tracks? A few seconds? Big deal! Even I can move that fast. And my first paragraph may be a generalization, but the 'factual' support is available any time you actually pay attention to the news (unless you are brain-dead from watching the Fox network). For instance: We are at war because of........what? "They" told us WMD's were everywhere in Iraq. We had the so-called "Patriot" Act rammed down our once-free throats because of .....what? "They" told us terrorists were lurking around every corner ready to steal our children and blow up our BMW's and our health clubs and our trains Global warming is of no concern because of.......what? "They" told us it has nothing to do with the billions of tons of carbon dioxide we are pumping into the atmosphere every year due to fossil fuels (which our current administration has much financila interest in). And that is just the tip of the (melting) iceberg. Shall I go on, or do you get the point yet? Perhaps if you would stop having your world-view shaped by what you see on tv, you would realize that there are other ways of defining a person or a generation by what the mass-media feeds into your brain (hence my comment about the brain-dead adults). Or if you must use tv as your source, try PBS occassionally; it might stimulate some latent information-gathering brain cells. And who said anything about fighting the system? There are other ways around a problem other than fighting. There is a difference between fighting the system and working within the system to effect change. But it would be difficult to see the need for change if one has become a part of the system that needs changing. In time, you will hopefully see that too. BTW, thaks for the back-handed compliment. I am comforted by the fact that you feel there is still hope for me. Preach it brotha man!!! Nice to see someone who can think for himself. Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 12:14 PM [{(-_-)}]....Blame it on Marylin and on the heroin where were the parents when middle America now it's a tragedy now it's so sad to see.... Sorry, I couldn't resist Reply 12 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by solzrules Originally posted by zardoz Of course I saw the photo at the top of this thread. How long does it take to get off the tracks? A few seconds? Big deal! Even I can move that fast. And my first paragraph may be a generalization, but the 'factual' support is available any time you actually pay attention to the news (unless you are brain-dead from watching the Fox network). For instance: We are at war because of........what? "They" told us WMD's were everywhere in Iraq. We had the so-called "Patriot" Act rammed down our once-free throats because of .....what? "They" told us terrorists were lurking around every corner ready to steal our children and blow up our BMW's and our health clubs and our trains Global warming is of no concern because of.......what? "They" told us it has nothing to do with the billions of tons of carbon dioxide we are pumping into the atmosphere every year due to fossil fuels (which our current administration has much financila interest in). And that is just the tip of the (melting) iceberg. Shall I go on, or do you get the point yet? Perhaps if you would stop having your world-view shaped by what you see on tv, you would realize that there are other ways of defining a person or a generation by what the mass-media feeds into your brain (hence my comment about the brain-dead adults). Or if you must use tv as your source, try PBS occassionally; it might stimulate some latent information-gathering brain cells. And who said anything about fighting the system? There are other ways around a problem other than fighting. There is a difference between fighting the system and working within the system to effect change. But it would be difficult to see the need for change if one has become a part of the system that needs changing. In time, you will hopefully see that too. BTW, thaks for the back-handed compliment. I am comforted by the fact that you feel there is still hope for me.
Originally posted by zardoz
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