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QUOTE: Originally posted by oltmannd QUOTE: Originally posted by drfizzix Well, I found something along these same lines online not too long ago... there is a website that you can look up the location of every freight car (including haz-mat cars) on the Belt Railway of Chicago system.... the odd part is that it was on the BRC's public website... http://4.BeltRailway.com/indinv.html (All one has to do is enter the three digit code of a particular industry from the list on http://www.BeltRailway.com/industries.html). So seems like rail security is not just an issue of rail fans, but maybe also some railroads too disclosing more than they should... [B)] How is the info the BRC provides "disclosing more than they should"? Specifically, how would a bad guy use the knowledge that specific car with a specific commodity was spotted on at a specific industry at a specific date and time to do anything evil?
QUOTE: Originally posted by drfizzix Well, I found something along these same lines online not too long ago... there is a website that you can look up the location of every freight car (including haz-mat cars) on the Belt Railway of Chicago system.... the odd part is that it was on the BRC's public website... http://4.BeltRailway.com/indinv.html (All one has to do is enter the three digit code of a particular industry from the list on http://www.BeltRailway.com/industries.html). So seems like rail security is not just an issue of rail fans, but maybe also some railroads too disclosing more than they should... [B)]
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QUOTE: Originally posted by Mike Rehling QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith Well lets see, Hi there! I'm Mr Terroroist, instead of having to try and observe cargo movement where I might attract attention to myself I would just love to able to check Mr Internet to see when that nice train carrying all that loveley chlorine will be rolling past that cute little elementary school in the middle of the city so I can ram a rented truck full of homemade explosives into it a grade crossing and kill a few thousand infidel American dogs and go straght to my 40 virgins in heaven. Thank you Thank You Thank You, You just made my job sooooo much easier by posting all this lovely data where any nutjob like me can access it. Does the above scenerio sound good ? 2 words: BAD IDEA Not trying to pick a fight here but, I think the right wing has done a fine job of scaring you to death. I work in the airline business and I am here to tell you that if "they" want to do it again, they will. All of the lame security measures put in place will only catch the stupid. There are as many gaps in airport security today as there was on 9/11. Just different gaps. The determined will figure a way around the gaps. I hardly believe they would rely on internet information for planning a plot. These guys are a little more disciplined than that. I, on the other hand might find that info useful since I am in the process of building a large prototypical model railroad. I observe the trains in my area, taking note of what types of cars are in tow so I can use that knowlege to operate my MRR more prototypically. Like many have said, all you need to do is follow any train and you can get this info. Just because it is not something you are interested in, doesn't mean it is of no value. It just means it is of no value to you. Seems like everyone has forgotten why our forefathers came to this land. I don't think a psudo manifest for a train that has been long gone is much of a threat to national security. my .02. Let the thrashing begin. Mike in Tulsa BNSF Cherokee Sub
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith Well lets see, Hi there! I'm Mr Terroroist, instead of having to try and observe cargo movement where I might attract attention to myself I would just love to able to check Mr Internet to see when that nice train carrying all that loveley chlorine will be rolling past that cute little elementary school in the middle of the city so I can ram a rented truck full of homemade explosives into it a grade crossing and kill a few thousand infidel American dogs and go straght to my 40 virgins in heaven. Thank you Thank You Thank You, You just made my job sooooo much easier by posting all this lovely data where any nutjob like me can access it. Does the above scenerio sound good ? 2 words: BAD IDEA
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