Do Locomotives have bunks and bathroom facilities???

[Anonymous]

I'm new to "Trains". A question that I have always had is where do engineer's sleep and how do the use the bathroom. Do locomotives have bunks and bathroom facilities? I know that Cabooses had them.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

Locomotives in road service are equipped with toilets. Those forum members who are engineers or conductors can expound further on this topic. Bunks have never been part of a locomotive's equipment.

[Mookie]

I think they go to hotels and motels - both of which have bathrooms and bunks!

[chad thomas]

Not exactly bathrooms, but most road locos have toilets, or in some cases just a seat with a hole so you can xxxx in a bag. They are in the noses in most cases but were behind the cab on older GEs and in the engine room in early streamliners.

Train crews don't operate like trucks. Crews on the road typicaly start at there home terminal when they are called and work a particular route to the away terminal where they rest and wait for there call for a train headded back to it's home terminal. At the away terminal the railroad supplys houseing either in a motel or sometimes in a company dorm. By law a train crew can not work more then 12 hours. If the 12 hours is up the train gets tied down and a "dog catch crew" is called. The expired crew will wait for a ride, be it in a carry all (crew transport van) or a deadhead ride on a train (off duty, nt working).

Some trains like locals and switch jobs have regular hours. These jobs are usualy held by the crews with the most seniority.

[chad thomas]

Oh, and welcome to the forum

[ValleyX]

No bags, bags are in the departed past.

Hope this doesn't stir up the old "load up two crews and run them across country" topic again!

[chad thomas]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX

No bags, bags are in the departed past.

Hope this doesn't stir up the old "load up two crews and run them across country" topic again!

So whaddya do? Hang it out the window.[:0]

[route_rock]

No NS just had to put real life honest to goodness chemical toilets in their motors now.

[locomutt]

The only locomotive that comes to my mind is a GE BQ23-7.
Supposedly had extra space for crew;seems it would have been
very similar to a semi cab,with "sleeper" attached.

[jkeaton]

No, not even the BQ23-7 had bunks - the extra space in the "quarters" cab (what the "Q" stood for) was for a desk for the conductor - as I understand it, these engines were built during an earlier attempt to eliminate cabooses from trains, during a period when three and four man crews were still the norm.

Jim
Ottawa

[TheS.P.caboose]

QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas

QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX

No bags, bags are in the departed past.

Hope this doesn't stir up the old "load up two crews and run them across country" topic again!

So whaddya do? Hang it out the window.[:0]

At one time, and I don't know if it still happens or not, but the stuff would land inbetween the rails.

[Modelcar]

....I seem to remember chatter of 5 man crews....Was this a reality in the past....? If so I suppose: Engineer...Fireman....Conductor....2 Brakemen....

[ajmiller]

QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas

Not exactly bathrooms, but most road locos have toilets, or in some cases just a seat with a hole so you can xxxx in a bag.

So I guess they don't have jacuzzis in them either. Bummer.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by CSSHEGEWISCH


Locomotives in road service are equipped with toilets.

The toliets in a road engine are nothing to write home about either. [:(] Some railroads opt for a sink in the bathroom, some don't. The sink will usually fold down for use then fold back up when not in use.

I don't know if the website CSXSucks.com is still around or not. That website did have some photos of the toliets in locomotives.

As I have said, these toliets are nothing to write home about or be proud of, they serve the basic need. There are basically 3 kinds in use today. One is a chemical toliet, another is a vacuum toliet (very loud too), and last we have a microphor (spelling not correct) toliet.

Many crews go out of their way to avoid using them. One guy remarked to me one day that he had been employeed by the railroad for over 20 some years and had never used one yet. [;)]

[Modelcar]

....From some of the descriptions I've seen and heard of them, I'd do some serious planning of not using them either.....I've wondered about the location of them {since they are so bad}, and the crew cab is right back of them.....What about the odor getting in there....?

[waltersrails]

they have bathrooms but the older engines are bad a bucket that sucks.

[Anonymous]

Don't they have a mirror in some of them? I know Amtrak's P40's did.

[ndbprr]

Perhaps you are all too young but in the days of cabeese they did use bunks on occasion built into the caboose. However the answer is correct never in the engine.

[PBenham]

QUOTE: Originally posted by AMTK200

Don't they have a mirror in some of them? I know Amtrak's P40's did.

The mirror was there for safety, to keep the user of the dumper from opening the door into some one else's way. Since most Amtrak trains have only the (a single) Engineer up front, the "facilities" on the locomotive are only used at stops where there are no" facilities" in/at the station. As others have pointed out, the vast majority of engineers would rather go into the station at a stop and use the facilities inside, thank you very much.

[Anonymous]

what about steam locomotives

[locomutt]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar

....I seem to remember chatter of 5 man crews....Was this a reality in the past....? If so I suppose: Engineer...Fireman....Conductor....2 Brakemen....

Quentin,to the best of my knowledge you would be very correct.

The first three as you stated,and a "head end" and "rear end" brakeman.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by fastrains

what about steam locomotives

They didn't have any facilities at all. If you had to go, you went over to the side and hopped the wind was blowing in your favor...........

[mudchicken]

FRA just had an edict out that the road locomotives had to have lavatory and potty facilities on the new(er) locomotives and yard facilities had to have the same for the older units built in the yards ... (no more running over to Mickey D's to give back with interest or to the corner gas station).........

http://www.epa.gov/fedrgstr/EPA-IMPACT/2001/January/Day-02/i33363.htm

TITLE 49--TRANSPORTATION

CHAPTER II--FEDERAL RAILROAD ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION

PART 229_RAILROAD LOCOMOTIVE SAFETY STANDARDS--Table of Contents

Subpart C_Safety Requirements

Sec. 229.139 Sanitation, servicing requirements.

(a) The sanitation compartment of each lead locomotive in use shall
be sanitary.
(b) All components required by Sec. 229.137(a) for the lead
locomotive in use shall be present consistent with the requirements of
this part, and shall operate as intended such that:
(1) All mechanical systems shall function;
(2) Water shall be present in sufficient quantity to permit
flushing;
(3) For those systems that utilize chemicals for treatment, the
chemical (chlorine or other comparable oxidizing agent) used to treat
waste must be present; and
(4) No blockage is present that prevents waste from evacuating the
bowl.
(c) The sanitation compartment of each occupied locomotive used in
switching service pursuant to Sec. 229.137(b)(1)(ii), in transfer
service pursuant to Sec. 229.137(b)(1)(iii), or in a trailing position
when the locomotive is occupied, shall be sanitary.
(d) Where the railroad uses a locomotive pursuant to Sec.
229.137(e) in switching or transfer service with a defective toilet
facility, such use shall not exceed 10 calendar days from the date on
which the defective toilet facility became defective. The date on which
the toilet facility becomes defective shall be entered on the daily
inspection report.
(e) Where it is determined that the modesty lock required by Sec.
229.137(a)(2) is defective, the railroad shall repair the modesty lock
on or before the next 92-day inspection required by this part.

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TITLE 49--TRANSPORTATION

CHAPTER II--FEDERAL RAILROAD ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION

PART 229_RAILROAD LOCOMOTIVE SAFETY STANDARDS--Table of Contents

Subpart C_Safety Requirements

Sec. 229.137 Sanitation, general requirements.

(a) Sanitation compartment. Except as provided in paragraph (b) of
this section, all lead locomotives in use shall be equipped with a
sanitation compartment. Each sanitation compartment shall be:
(1) Adequately ventilated;
(2) Equipped with a door that:
(i) Closes, and
(ii) Possesses a modesty lock by [18 months after publication of the
final rule];
(3) Equipped with a toilet facility, as defined in this part;
(4) Equipped with a washing system, as defined in this part, unless
the railroad otherwise provides the washing system to employees upon
reporting for duty or occupying the cab for duty, or where the
locomotive is equipped with a stationary sink that is located outside of
the sanitation compartment;
(5) Equipped with toilet paper in sufficient quantity to meet
employee needs, unless the railroad otherwise provides toilet paper to
employees upon reporting for duty or occupying the cab for duty; and
(6) Equipped with a trash receptacle, unless the railroad otherwise
provides portable trash receptacles to employees upon reporting for duty
or occupying the cab for duty.
(b) Exceptions. (1) Paragraph (a) of this section shall not apply
to:

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(i) Locomotives engaged in commuter service or other short-haul
passenger service and commuter work trains on which employees have ready
access to railroad-provided sanitation facilities outside of the
locomotive or elsewhere on the train, that meet otherwise applicable
sanitation standards, at frequent intervals during the course of their
work shift;
(ii) Locomotives engaged in switching service on which employees
have ready access to railroad-provided sanitation facilities outside of
the locomotive, that meet otherwise applicable sanitation standards, at
frequent intervals during the course of their work shift;
(iii) Locomotives engaged in transfer service on which employees
have ready access to railroad-provided sanitation facilities outside of
the locomotive, that meet otherwise applicable sanitation standards, at
frequent intervals during the course of their work shift;
(iv) Locomotives of Class III railroads engaged in operations other
than switching service or transfer service, that are not equipped with a
sanitation compartment as of June 3, 2002. Where an unequipped
locomotive of a Class III railroad is engaged in operations other than
switching or transfer service, employees shall have ready access to
railroad-provided sanitation facilities outside of the locomotive that
meet otherwise applicable sanitation standards, at frequent intervals
during the course of their work shift, or the railroad shall arrange for
enroute access to such facilities;
(v) Locomotives of tourist, scenic, historic, or excursion railroad
operations, which are otherwise covered by this part because they are
not propelled by steam power and operate on the general railroad system
of transportation, but on which employees have ready access to railroad-
provided sanitation facilities outside of the locomotive, that meet
otherwise applicable sanitation standards, at frequent intervals during
the course of their work shift; and
(vi) Except as provided in Sec. 229.14 of this part, control cab
locomotives designed for passenger occupancy and used in intercity push-
pull service that are not equipped with sanitation facilities, where
employees have ready access to railroad-provided sanitation in other
passenger cars on the train at frequent intervals during the course of
their work shift.
(2) Paragraph (a)(3) of this section shall not apply to:
(i) Locomotives of a Class I railroad which, prior to [the effective
date of this section], were equipped with a toilet facility in which
human waste falls via gravity to a holding tank where it is stored and
periodically emptied, which does not conform to the definition of toilet
facility set forth in this section. For these locomotives, the
requirements of this section pertaining to the type of toilet facilities
required shall be effective as these toilets become defective or are
replaced with conforming units, whichever occurs first. All other
requirements set forth in this section shall apply to these locomotives
as of June 3, 2002; and
(ii) With respect to the locomotives of a Class I railroad which,
prior to June 3, 2002, were equipped with a sanitation system other than
the units addressed by paragraph (b)(2)(i) of this section, that
contains and removes human waste by a method that does not conform with
the definition of toilet facility as set forth in this section, the
requirements of this section pertaining to the type of toilet facilities
shall apply on locomotives in use on July 1, 2003. However, the Class I
railroad subject to this exception shall not deliver locomotives with
such sanitation systems to other railroads for use, in the lead
position, during the time between June 3, 2002, and July 1, 2003. All
other requirements set forth in this section shall apply to the
locomotives of this Class I railroad as of June 3, 2002.
(c) Defective, unsanitary toilet facility; prohibition in lead
position. Except as provided in paragraphs (c)(1) through (5) of this
section, if the railroad determines during the daily inspection required
by Sec. 229.21 that a locomotive toilet facility is defective or is
unsanitary, or both, the railroad shall not use the locomotive in the
lead position. The railroad may continue to use a lead locomotive with a
toilet facility that is defective or unsanitary as of

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the daily inspection only where all of the following conditions are met:
(1) The unsanitary or defective condition is discovered at a
location where there are no other suitable locomotives available for
use, ie., where it is not possible to switch another locomotive into the
lead position, or the location is not equipped to clean the sanitation
compartment if unsanitary or repair the toilet facility if defective;
(2) The locomotive, while noncompliant, did not pass through a
location where it could have been cleaned if unsanitary, repaired if
defective, or switched with another compliant locomotive, since its last
daily inspection required by this part;
(3) Upon reasonable request of a locomotive crewmember operating a
locomotive with a defective or unsanitary toilet facility, the railroad
arranges for access to a toilet facility outside the locomotive that
meets otherwise applicable sanitation standards;
(4) If the sanitation compartment is unsanitary, the sanitation
compartment door shall be closed and adequate ventilation shall be
provided in the cab so that it is habitable; and
(5) The locomotive shall not continue in service in the lead
position beyond a location where the defective or unsanitary condition
can be corrected or replaced with another compliant locomotive, or the
next daily inspection required by this part, whichever occurs first.
(d) Defective, unsanitary toilet facility; use in trailing position.
If the railroad determines during the daily inspection required by Sec.
229.21 that a locomotive toilet facility is defective or is unsanitary,
or both, the railroad may use the locomotive in trailing position. If
the railroad places the locomotive in trailing position, they shall not
haul employees in the unit unless the sanitation compartment is made
sanitary prior to occupancy. If the toilet facility is defective and the
unit becomes occupied, the railroad shall clearly mark the defective
toilet facility as unavailable for use.
(e) Defective, sanitary toilet facility; use in switching, transfer
service. If the railroad determines during the daily inspection required
by Sec. 229.21 that a locomotive toilet facility is defective, but
sanitary, the railroad may use the locomotive in switching service, as
set forth in paragraph (b)(1)(ii) of this section, or in transfer
service, as set forth in paragraph (b)(1)(iii) of this section for a
period not to exceed 10 days. In this instance, the railroad shall
clearly mark the defective toilet facility as unavailable for use. After
expiration of the 10-day period, the locomotive shall be repaired or
used in the trailing position.
(f) Lack of toilet paper, washing system, trash receptacle. If the
railroad determines during the daily inspection required by Sec. 229.21
that the lead locomotive is not equipped with toilet paper in sufficient
quantity to meet employee needs, or a washing system as required by
paragraph (a)(4) of this section, or a trash receptacle as required by
paragraph (a)(6) of this section, the locomotive shall be equipped with
these items prior to departure.
(g) Inadequate ventilation. If the railroad determines during the
daily inspection required by Sec. 229.21 that the sanitation
compartment of the lead locomotive in use is not adequately ventilated
as required by paragraph (a)(1) of this section, the railroad shall
repair the ventilation prior to departure, or place the locomotive in
trailing position, in switching service as set forth in paragraph
(b)(1)(ii) of this section, or in transfer service as set forth in
paragraph (b)(1)(iii) of this section.
(h) Door closure and modesty lock. If the railroad determines during
the daily inspection required by Sec. 229.21 that the sanitation
compartment on the lead locomotive is not equipped with a door that
closes, as required by paragraph (a)(2)(i) of this section, the railroad
shall repair the door prior to departure, or place the locomotive in
trailing position, in switching service as set forth in paragraph
(b)(1)(ii) of this section, or in transfer service as set forth in
paragraph (b)(1)(iii) of this section. If the railroad determines during
the daily inspection required by Sec. 229.21 that the modesty lock
required by paragraph (a)(2)(ii) of this section is defective, the
modesty lock shall be repaired pursuant to the requirements of Sec.
229.139(e).

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(i) Equipped units; retention and maintenance. Except where a
railroad downgrades a locomotive to service in which it will never be
occupied, where a locomotive is equipped with a toilet facility as of
[the effective date of the final rule], the railroad shall retain and
maintain the toilet facility in the locomotive consistent with the
requirements of this part, including locomotives used in switching
service pursuant to paragraph (b)(1)(ii) of this section, and in
transfer service pursuant to paragraph (b)(1)(iii) of this section.
(j) Newly manufactured units; in-cab facilities. All locomotives
manufactured after June 3, 2002, except switching units built
exclusively for switching service and locomotives built exclusively for
commuter service, shall be equipped with a sanitation compartment
accessible to cab employees without exiting to the out-of-doors for use.
No railroad may use a locomotive built after June 3, 2002, that does not
comply with this subsection.
(k) Potable water. The railroad shall utilize potable water where
the washing system includes the use of water.

[67 16050, Apr. 4, 2002]



TITLE 49--TRANSPORTATION

CHAPTER II--FEDERAL RAILROAD ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION

PART 229_RAILROAD LOCOMOTIVE SAFETY STANDARDS--Table of Contents

Subpart C_Safety Requirements

Sec. 229.137 Sanitation, general requirements.

(a) Sanitation compartment. Except as provided in paragraph (b) of
this section, all lead locomotives in use shall be equipped with a
sanitation compartment. Each sanitation compartment shall be:
(1) Adequately ventilated;
(2) Equipped with a door that:
(i) Closes, and
(ii) Possesses a modesty lock by [18 months after publication of the
final rule];
(3) Equipped with a toilet facility, as defined in this part;
(4) Equipped with a washing system, as defined in this part, unless
the railroad otherwise provides the washing system to employees upon
reporting for duty or occupying the cab for duty, or where the
locomotive is equipped with a stationary sink that is located outside of
the sanitation compartment;
(5) Equipped with toilet paper in sufficient quantity to meet
employee needs, unless the railroad otherwise provides toilet paper to
employees upon reporting for duty or occupying the cab for duty; and
(6) Equipped with a trash receptacle, unless the railroad otherwise
provides portable trash receptacles to employees upon reporting for duty
or occupying the cab for duty.
(b) Exceptions. (1) Paragraph (a) of this section shall not apply
to:

[[Page 406]]

(i) Locomotives engaged in commuter service or other short-haul
passenger service and commuter work trains on which employees have ready
access to railroad-provided sanitation facilities outside of the
locomotive or elsewhere on the train, that meet otherwise applicable
sanitation standards, at frequent intervals during the course of their
work shift;
(ii) Locomotives engaged in switching service on which employees
have ready access to railroad-provided sanitation facilities outside of
the locomotive, that meet otherwise applicable sanitation standards, at
frequent intervals during the course of their work shift;
(iii) Locomotives engaged in transfer service on which employees
have ready access to railroad-provided sanitation facilities outside of
the locomotive, that meet otherwise applicable sanitation standards, at
frequent intervals during the course of their work shift;
(iv) Locomotives of Class III railroads engaged in operations other
than switching service or transfer service, that are not equipped with a
sanitation compartment as of June 3, 2002. Where an unequipped
locomotive of a Class III railroad is engaged in operations other than
switching or transfer service, employees shall have ready access to
railroad-provided sanitation facilities outside of the locomotive that
meet otherwise applicable sanitation standards, at frequent intervals
during the course of their work shift, or the railroad shall arrange for
enroute access to such facilities;
(v) Locomotives of tourist, scenic, historic, or excursion railroad
operations, which are otherwise covered by this part because they are
not propelled by steam power and operate on the general railroad system
of transportation, but on which employees have ready access to railroad-
provided sanitation facilities outside of the locomotive, that meet
otherwise applicable sanitation standards, at frequent intervals during
the course of their work shift; and
(vi) Except as provided in Sec. 229.14 of this part, control cab
locomotives designed for passenger occupancy and used in intercity push-
pull service that are not equipped with sanitation facilities, where
employees have ready access to railroad-provided sanitation in other
passenger cars on the train at frequent intervals during the course of
their work shift.
(2) Paragraph (a)(3) of this section shall not apply to:
(i) Locomotives of a Class I railroad which, prior to [the effective
date of this section], were equipped with a toilet facility in which
human waste falls via gravity to a holding tank where it is stored and
periodically emptied, which does not conform to the definition of toilet
facility set forth in this section. For these locomotives, the
requirements of this section pertaining to the type of toilet facilities
required shall be effective as these toilets become defective or are
replaced with conforming units, whichever occurs first. All other
requirements set forth in this section shall apply to these locomotives
as of June 3, 2002; and
(ii) With respect to the locomotives of a Class I railroad which,
prior to June 3, 2002, were equipped with a sanitation system other than
the units addressed by paragraph (b)(2)(i) of this section, that
contains and removes human waste by a method that does not conform with
the definition of toilet facility as set forth in this section, the
requirements of this section pertaining to the type of toilet facilities
shall apply on locomotives in use on July 1, 2003. However, the Class I
railroad subject to this exception shall not deliver locomotives with
such sanitation systems to other railroads for use, in the lead
position, during the time between June 3, 2002, and July 1, 2003. All
other requirements set forth in this section shall apply to the
locomotives of this Class I railroad as of June 3, 2002.
(c) Defective, unsanitary toilet facility; prohibition in lead
position. Except as provided in paragraphs (c)(1) through (5) of this
section, if the railroad determines during the daily inspection required
by Sec. 229.21 that a locomotive toilet facility is defective or is
unsanitary, or both, the railroad shall not use the locomotive in the
lead position. The railroad may continue to use a lead locomotive with a
toilet facility that is defective or unsanitary as of

[[Page 407]]

the daily inspection only where all of the following conditions are met:
(1) The unsanitary or defective condition is discovered at a
location where there are no other suitable locomotives available for
use, ie., where it is not possible to switch another locomotive into the
lead position, or the location is not equipped to clean the sanitation
compartment if unsanitary or repair the toilet facility if defective;
(2) The locomotive, while noncompliant, did not pass through a
location where it could have been cleaned if unsanitary, repaired if
defective, or switched with another compliant locomotive, since its last
daily inspection required by this part;
(3) Upon reasonable request of a locomotive crewmember operating a
locomotive with a defective or unsanitary toilet facility, the railroad
arranges for access to a toilet facility outside the locomotive that
meets otherwise applicable sanitation standards;
(4) If the sanitation compartment is unsanitary, the sanitation
compartment door shall be closed and adequate ventilation shall be
provided in the cab so that it is habitable; and
(5) The locomotive shall not continue in service in the lead
position beyond a location where the defective or unsanitary condition
can be corrected or replaced with another compliant locomotive, or the
next daily inspection required by this part, whichever occurs first.
(d) Defective, unsanitary toilet facility; use in trailing position.
If the railroad determines during the daily inspection required by Sec.
229.21 that a locomotive toilet facility is defective or is unsanitary,
or both, the railroad may use the locomotive in trailing position. If
the railroad places the locomotive in trailing position, they shall not
haul employees in the unit unless the sanitation compartment is made
sanitary prior to occupancy. If the toilet facility is defective and the
unit becomes occupied, the railroad shall clearly mark the defective
toilet facility as unavailable for use.
(e) Defective, sanitary toilet facility; use in switching, transfer
service. If the railroad determines during the daily inspection required
by Sec. 229.21 that a locomotive toilet facility is defective, but
sanitary, the railroad may use the locomotive in switching service, as
set forth in paragraph (b)(1)(ii) of this section, or in transfer
service, as set forth in paragraph (b)(1)(iii) of this section for a
period not to exceed 10 days. In this instance, the railroad shall
clearly mark the defective toilet facility as unavailable for use. After
expiration of the 10-day period, the locomotive shall be repaired or
used in the trailing position.
(f) Lack of toilet paper, washing system, trash receptacle. If the
railroad determines during the daily inspection required by Sec. 229.21
that the lead locomotive is not equipped with toilet paper in sufficient
quantity to meet employee needs, or a washing system as required by
paragraph (a)(4) of this section, or a trash receptacle as required by
paragraph (a)(6) of this section, the locomotive shall be equipped with
these items prior to departure.
(g) Inadequate ventilation. If the railroad determines during the
daily inspection required by Sec. 229.21 that the sanitation
compartment of the lead locomotive in use is not adequately ventilated
as required by paragraph (a)(1) of this section, the railroad shall
repair the ventilation prior to departure, or place the locomotive in
trailing position, in switching service as set forth in paragraph
(b)(1)(ii) of this section, or in transfer service as set forth in
paragraph (b)(1)(iii) of this section.
(h) Door closure and modesty lock. If the railroad determines during
the daily inspection required by Sec. 229.21 that the sanitation
compartment on the lead locomotive is not equipped with a door that
closes, as required by paragraph (a)(2)(i) of this section, the railroad
shall repair the door prior to departure, or place the locomotive in
trailing position, in switching service as set forth in paragraph
(b)(1)(ii) of this section, or in transfer service as set forth in
paragraph (b)(1)(iii) of this section. If the railroad determines during
the daily inspection required by Sec. 229.21 that the modesty lock
required by paragraph (a)(2)(ii) of this section is defective, the
modesty lock shall be repaired pursuant to the requirements of Sec.
229.139(e).

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(i) Equipped units; retention and maintenance. Except where a
railroad downgrades a locomotive to service in which it will never be
occupied, where a locomotive is equipped with a toilet facility as of
[the effective date of the final rule], the railroad shall retain and
maintain the toilet facility in the locomotive consistent with the
requirements of this part, including locomotives used in switching
service pursuant to paragraph (b)(1)(ii) of this section, and in
transfer service pursuant to paragraph (b)(1)(iii) of this section.
(j) Newly manufactured units; in-cab facilities. All locomotives
manufactured after June 3, 2002, except switching units built
exclusively for switching service and locomotives built exclusively for
commuter service, shall be equipped with a sanitation compartment
accessible to cab employees without exiting to the out-of-doors for use.
No railroad may use a locomotive built after June 3, 2002, that does not
comply with this subsection.
(k) Potable water. The railroad shall utilize potable water where
the washing system includes the use of water.

[67 16050, Apr. 4, 2002]

[Clutch Cargo]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX

No bags, bags are in the departed past.

Hope this doesn't stir up the old "load up two crews and run them across country" topic again!

Or the "Two loaded Crews" with one non-working toilet thread.

Kurt.

[Modelcar]

....Yes, Walt...that's the way I remember it was early on....Of course this thought goes back a ways to include the "Fireman" and a place to house some of the others...the caboose.

[ericsp]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar

....From some of the descriptions I've seen and heard of them, I'd do some serious planning of not using them either.....I've wondered about the location of them {since they are so bad}, and the crew cab is right back of them.....What about the odor getting in there....?

I seem to recall an article in Trains a few years ago written by a guy who used to be a yard manager (if I remember correctly) for CSXT somewhere in the Detroit area. In the article, a crew was about to refuse to use a locomotive because the toilet was so bad. It seems like after soaking the cab and toilet area with Lysol and giving the crew another can, they went ahead and took the locomotive.

[jeaton]

TITLE 49--TRANSPORTATION

CHAPTER II--FEDERAL RAILROAD ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION

PART 229_RAILROAD LOCOMOTIVE SAFETY STANDARDS--Table of Contents

Subpart C_Safety Requirements

Sec. 229.139 Sanitation, servicing requirements.

The following regulations shall printed on the same paper stock used by the Sears catalog and hung by a string in easy reach of the sanitary facility.

[jeaton]

QUOTE: Originally posted by 4884bigboy

QUOTE: Originally posted by fastrains

what about steam locomotives

They didn't have any facilities at all. If you had to go, you went over to the side and hopped the wind was blowing in your favor...........

WRONG!!! The coal scoop was a multipurpose tool.

[locomutt]

QUOTE: Originally posted by jeaton

TITLE 49--TRANSPORTATION

CHAPTER II--FEDERAL RAILROAD ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION

PART 229_RAILROAD LOCOMOTIVE SAFETY STANDARDS--Table of Contents

Subpart C_Safety Requirements

Sec. 229.139 Sanitation, servicing requirements.

The following regulations shall printed on the same paper stock used by the Sears catalog and hung by a string in easy reach of the sanitary facility.

Didn't some of the roads (especially the midwestern ones) mandate keeping
"corn cobs" in the locomotive cab ??

[daveklepper]

I believe there were no steam locomotives in North America equipped with any kind of toilet whatsoever. Generally engineers and firemen used the facilities before boarding and after completing their runs and at station stops or yards in between. In an absolute panic situation, the train would come to a halt and the "behind the bushes" stratergy was used.

Special large "drover" cabooses were used on western stock trains where "drovers' who were aboard to water and feed the animals slept on bunks in the caboose. These continued in operation until well after WWII.