Balloon track vs siding/spur

[jextra]

Now, now,....calm down, calm down, break it up! - Wow!, whew!,... Good thread though. I think I went through at least three of bags of popcorn on that one. I'll be bound up for a month now!..... But anyway, take it from me, some will be getting called in to the front office on this one! - I'm still recovering from the whoopin I got!. I learned my lesson!..... I just want to learn more about railroading and not how far I can pee. I'll leave that for the big guns!

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ajmiller

QUOTE: Originally posted by ajmiller

QUOTE: Originally posted by ajmiller

QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken

QUOTE: Originally posted by ajmiller

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken
I am nothing like Cartman. I am more like Chef......

I would have thought you would have been more of an iron Kenny.[;)]

O.K. that's funny....it took me a few minutes, but, thats a good one.

Yep, he's a Cartman. Only a fat**s would spell psychology "pshycology".

Dave-come on man, you're better than this.[V]

Let's see, I borrow a catch phrase from South Park e.g. "Only a fat**s would spell psychology 'pshycology'", and Murphy feels the need to chastise.

Ironken posts the following.....

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken

FM you are a complete moron...........I have a contemptious attitude toward people that talk outta their a**es like you. .....Wannna taste some of my salty balls?

..... and the response from Murphy is as follows......
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(insert sound of crickets chirping)
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Now, it's no big deal to me. Just wondering if you were aware of your onesided refereeing.

[(-D]To be 100% honest-I was not aware of my one-sided refereeing,due to the fact that I missed the statement quoted above by ironken. To be fair-I'd offer the same comment to ironken: You're better than that too. I've read some of your threads that were quite informative,and some where you bit people (deserving, or not,you did bite some people). Both of you could do with a little more civility.
As to the other part, I can honestly plead ignorance. Plain and simple,I don't watch TV. Therefore,South Park jokes, Seinfeld jokes,etc....wizz right past me. Sorry for the inconvenience. Feel free to butt heads once more.[:)]

I'm hoping to set a record for nested quotes.

In computer programs, there are certain codes, called blocks, that are used to control the flow of logic. For example, a loop in the C programming language can be written as:

[code]
for (i = 0; i < N; i++){
b[ i ] = 0;
}
[/code]

which is a loop that sets the array b to zero. There are times when you might need a loop within a loop like this:

[code]
for (i = 0; i < N; i++){
for (j = 0; j < N; j++){
b[ i ] += a[ i ][ j ] * x[ j ];
}
}
[/code]

which is code that multiplies matrix a with vector x and stores the result in vector b . Loops within loops are called nested loops and are quite common in programming. In fact any block (the code between sets of curly braces { } ) may be nested within other blocks.

Hence, quotes contained inside other quotes are nested quotes.

Well, it took a few attempts to get those code fragments above to look right, but in short, to be nested is to include something inside something else larger, like those Russian dolls. I was just pointing out that these posts have lots of quotes containing quotes, and I thought it might be a record number of such quotes. I didn't reallize that the term nested was such a colloquialism.

You know, what's really cool is if you keep pulling this page up and down. You get like a 3D effect, man.[|)]

[ajmiller]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ajmiller

QUOTE: Originally posted by ajmiller

QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken

QUOTE: Originally posted by ajmiller

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken
I am nothing like Cartman. I am more like Chef......

I would have thought you would have been more of an iron Kenny.[;)]

O.K. that's funny....it took me a few minutes, but, thats a good one.

Yep, he's a Cartman. Only a fat**s would spell psychology "pshycology".

Dave-come on man, you're better than this.[V]

Let's see, I borrow a catch phrase from South Park e.g. "Only a fat**s would spell psychology 'pshycology'", and Murphy feels the need to chastise.

Ironken posts the following.....

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken

FM you are a complete moron...........I have a contemptious attitude toward people that talk outta their a**es like you. .....Wannna taste some of my salty balls?

..... and the response from Murphy is as follows......
.
.
.
.
(insert sound of crickets chirping)
.
.
.
.

Now, it's no big deal to me. Just wondering if you were aware of your onesided refereeing.

[(-D]To be 100% honest-I was not aware of my one-sided refereeing,due to the fact that I missed the statement quoted above by ironken. To be fair-I'd offer the same comment to ironken: You're better than that too. I've read some of your threads that were quite informative,and some where you bit people (deserving, or not,you did bite some people). Both of you could do with a little more civility.
As to the other part, I can honestly plead ignorance. Plain and simple,I don't watch TV. Therefore,South Park jokes, Seinfeld jokes,etc....wizz right past me. Sorry for the inconvenience. Feel free to butt heads once more.[:)]

I'm hoping to set a record for nested quotes.

In computer programs, there are certain codes, called blocks, that are used to control the flow of logic. For example, a loop in the C programming language can be written as:

[code]
for (i = 0; i < N; i++){
b[ i ] = 0;
}
[/code]

which is a loop that sets the array b to zero. There are times when you might need a loop within a loop like this:

[code]
for (i = 0; i < N; i++){
for (j = 0; j < N; j++){
b[ i ] += a[ i ][ j ] * x[ j ];
}
}
[/code]

which is code that multiplies matrix a with vector x and stores the result in vector b . Loops within loops are called nested loops and are quite common in programming. In fact any block (the code between sets of curly braces { } ) may be nested within other blocks.

Hence, quotes contained inside other quotes are nested quotes.

Well, it took a few attempts to get those code fragments above to look right, but in short, to be nested is to include something inside something else larger, like those Russian dolls. I was just pointing out that these posts have lots of quotes containing quotes, and I thought it might be a record number of such quotes. I didn't reallize that the term nested was such a colloquialism.

[Murphy Siding]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ajmiller

QUOTE: Originally posted by ajmiller

QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken

QUOTE: Originally posted by ajmiller

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken
I am nothing like Cartman. I am more like Chef......

I would have thought you would have been more of an iron Kenny.[;)]

O.K. that's funny....it took me a few minutes, but, thats a good one.

Yep, he's a Cartman. Only a fat**s would spell psychology "pshycology".

Dave-come on man, you're better than this.[V]

Let's see, I borrow a catch phrase from South Park e.g. "Only a fat**s would spell psychology 'pshycology'", and Murphy feels the need to chastise.

Ironken posts the following.....

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken

FM you are a complete moron...........I have a contemptious attitude toward people that talk outta their a**es like you. .....Wannna taste some of my salty balls?

..... and the response from Murphy is as follows......
.
.
.
.
(insert sound of crickets chirping)
.
.
.
.

Now, it's no big deal to me. Just wondering if you were aware of your onesided refereeing.

[(-D]To be 100% honest-I was not aware of my one-sided refereeing,due to the fact that I missed the statement quoted above by ironken. To be fair-I'd offer the same comment to ironken: You're better than that too. I've read some of your threads that were quite informative,and some where you bit people (deserving, or not,you did bite some people). Both of you could do with a little more civility.
As to the other part, I can honestly plead ignorance. Plain and simple,I don't watch TV. Therefore,South Park jokes, Seinfeld jokes,etc....wizz right past me. Sorry for the inconvenience. Feel free to butt heads once more.[:)]

I'm hoping to set a record for nested quotes.

IIn computer programs, there are certain codes, called blocks, that are used to control the flow of logic. For example, a loop in the C programming language can be written as:

[code]
for (i = 0; i < N; i++){
b = 0;
}
[/code]

which is a loop that sets the array b to zero. There are times when you might need a loop within a loop like this:

[code]
for (i = 0; i < N; i++){
for (j = 0; j < N; j++){
b += a[i][j] * x[j];
}
}
[/code]

which is code that multiplies matrix a with vector x and stores the result in vector b . Loops within loops are called [i]nested loops and are quite common in programming. In fact any block (the code between sets of curly braces { } ) may be nested within other blocks.

Hence, quotes contained inside other quotes are [i]nested quotes.

Buzz.......Zoom!!! That went way over my head. I'm a lumber salesman. ' Want to talk about something I understand, like the reletive strength properties of Canadian spruce-pine-fir?[;)]

[ajmiller]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ajmiller

QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken

QUOTE: Originally posted by ajmiller

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken
I am nothing like Cartman. I am more like Chef......

I would have thought you would have been more of an iron Kenny.[;)]

O.K. that's funny....it took me a few minutes, but, thats a good one.

Yep, he's a Cartman. Only a fat**s would spell psychology "pshycology".

Dave-come on man, you're better than this.[V]

Let's see, I borrow a catch phrase from South Park e.g. "Only a fat**s would spell psychology 'pshycology'", and Murphy feels the need to chastise.

Ironken posts the following.....

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken

FM you are a complete moron...........I have a contemptious attitude toward people that talk outta their a**es like you. .....Wannna taste some of my salty balls?

..... and the response from Murphy is as follows......
.
.
.
.
(insert sound of crickets chirping)
.
.
.
.

Now, it's no big deal to me. Just wondering if you were aware of your onesided refereeing.

[(-D]To be 100% honest-I was not aware of my one-sided refereeing,due to the fact that I missed the statement quoted above by ironken. To be fair-I'd offer the same comment to ironken: You're better than that too. I've read some of your threads that were quite informative,and some where you bit people (deserving, or not,you did bite some people). Both of you could do with a little more civility.
As to the other part, I can honestly plead ignorance. Plain and simple,I don't watch TV. Therefore,South Park jokes, Seinfeld jokes,etc....wizz right past me. Sorry for the inconvenience. Feel free to butt heads once more.[:)]

I'm hoping to set a record for nested quotes.

In computer programs, there are certain codes, called blocks, that are used to control the flow of logic. For example, a loop in the C programming language can be written as:

[code]
for (i = 0; i < N; i++){
b[ i ] = 0;
}
[/code]

which is a loop that sets the array b to zero. There are times when you might need a loop within a loop like this:

[code]
for (i = 0; i < N; i++){
for (j = 0; j < N; j++){
b[ i ] += a[ i ][ j ] * x[ j ];
}
}
[/code]

which is code that multiplies matrix a with vector x and stores the result in vector b . Loops within loops are called nested loops and are quite common in programming. In fact any block (the code between sets of curly braces { } ) may be nested within other blocks.

Hence, quotes contained inside other quotes are nested quotes.

[Anonymous]

Good piont Murphy Siding

[Murphy Siding]

What is a nested quote? ( A guy can't be too carefull. It might be something from South Park that I just don't get.)

[ajmiller]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken

QUOTE: Originally posted by ajmiller

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken
I am nothing like Cartman. I am more like Chef......

I would have thought you would have been more of an iron Kenny.[;)]

O.K. that's funny....it took me a few minutes, but, thats a good one.

Yep, he's a Cartman. Only a fat**s would spell psychology "pshycology".

Dave-come on man, you're better than this.[V]

Let's see, I borrow a catch phrase from South Park e.g. "Only a fat**s would spell psychology 'pshycology'", and Murphy feels the need to chastise.

Ironken posts the following.....

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken

FM you are a complete moron...........I have a contemptious attitude toward people that talk outta their a**es like you. .....Wannna taste some of my salty balls?

..... and the response from Murphy is as follows......
.
.
.
.
(insert sound of crickets chirping)
.
.
.
.

Now, it's no big deal to me. Just wondering if you were aware of your onesided refereeing.

[(-D]To be 100% honest-I was not aware of my one-sided refereeing,due to the fact that I missed the statement quoted above by ironken. To be fair-I'd offer the same comment to ironken: You're better than that too. I've read some of your threads that were quite informative,and some where you bit people (deserving, or not,you did bite some people). Both of you could do with a little more civility.
As to the other part, I can honestly plead ignorance. Plain and simple,I don't watch TV. Therefore,South Park jokes, Seinfeld jokes,etc....wizz right past me. Sorry for the inconvenience. Feel free to butt heads once more.[:)]

I'm hoping to set a record for nested quotes.

[Murphy Siding]

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken

QUOTE: Originally posted by ajmiller

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken
I am nothing like Cartman. I am more like Chef......

I would have thought you would have been more of an iron Kenny.[;)]

O.K. that's funny....it took me a few minutes, but, thats a good one.

Yep, he's a Cartman. Only a fat**s would spell psychology "pshycology".

Dave-come on man, you're better than this.[V]

Let's see, I borrow a catch phrase from South Park e.g. "Only a fat**s would spell psychology 'pshycology'", and Murphy feels the need to chastise.

Ironken posts the following.....

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken

FM you are a complete moron...........I have a contemptious attitude toward people that talk outta their a**es like you. .....Wannna taste some of my salty balls?

..... and the response from Murphy is as follows......
.
.
.
.
(insert sound of crickets chirping)
.
.
.
.

Now, it's no big deal to me. Just wondering if you were aware of your onesided refereeing.

[(-D]To be 100% honest-I was not aware of my one-sided refereeing,due to the fact that I missed the statement quoted above by ironken. To be fair-I'd offer the same comment to ironken: You're better than that too. I've read some of your threads that were quite informative,and some where you bit people (deserving, or not,you did bite some people). Both of you could do with a little more civility.
As to the other part, I can honestly plead ignorance. Plain and simple,I don't watch TV. Therefore,South Park jokes, Seinfeld jokes,etc....wizz right past me. Sorry for the inconvenience. Feel free to butt heads once more.[:)]

[Anonymous]

FM, have you ever switched an elevator? I sure have. Now I wouldn't say that I'm a guru on the subject, but, I do have some knowlege on it. People on this forum like to take shots at me and that's O.K. I tend to get fired up when people that have little or no hands on pop-off about a given subject.

[tree68]

All right, Children.....

[ajmiller]

Can't we all ... just ... get along?[;)]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken

QUOTE: Originally posted by ajmiller

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken
I am nothing like Cartman. I am more like Chef......

I would have thought you would have been more of an iron Kenny.[;)]

O.K. that's funny....it took me a few minutes, but, thats a good one.

Yep, he's a Cartman. Only a fat**s would spell psychology "pshycology".

Dave-come on man, you're better than this.[V]

Let's see, I borrow a catch phrase from South Park e.g. "Only a fat**s would spell psychology 'pshycology'", and Murphy feels the need to chastise.

Ironken posts the following.....

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken

FM you are a complete moron...........I have a contemptious attitude toward people that talk outta their a**es like you. .....Wannna taste some of my salty balls?

..... and the response from Murphy is as follows......
.
.
.
.
(insert sound of crickets chirping)
.
.
.
.

Now, it's no big deal to me. Just wondering if you were aware of your onesided refereeing.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken

Actually FM, I'm not fat at all. Just went to school in a small town.....poor typing skills. You need to chill out now. We've had our little flame war, now be done. That's unless you wanna see which one of gets kicked outta here first when the flaming really begins. I couldn't call that one.....I think it would be a tossup.

Well, I went to school in a small town, and it didn't hurt the development of my typing skills. The size of the town in which you attended school is not a predictor of poor grammar, or any of the other basic English language skills.

As for which one of us would get kicked off the forum first, that'd probaby be me since I am unabashedly critical of the current railroad oligarchy, especially BNSF, and it is rumored that the forum moderator is a big BNSF fan.

And you did prove one thing: That when you have no basis for rebuttal, you resort to name calling. Calling me a "moron" when I question the need for balloon tracks and expensive new rapid discharge facilities (while perfectly good straight sidings are sitting unused next to perfectly functional and adaptable large capacity elevators) shows that you have no intuitive knowledge of the situation, only an insider access to the company line.

[Anonymous]

Actually FM, I'm not fat at all. Just went to school in a small town.....poor typing skills. You need to chill out now. We've had our little flame war, now be done. That's unless you wanna see which one of gets kicked outta here first when the flaming really begins. I couldn't call that one.....I think it would be a tossup.

[Murphy Siding]

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken

QUOTE: Originally posted by ajmiller

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken
I am nothing like Cartman. I am more like Chef......

I would have thought you would have been more of an iron Kenny.[;)]

O.K. that's funny....it took me a few minutes, but, thats a good one.

Yep, he's a Cartman. Only a fat**s would spell psychology "pshycology".

Dave-come on man, you're better than this.[V]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken

QUOTE: Originally posted by ajmiller

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken
I am nothing like Cartman. I am more like Chef......

I would have thought you would have been more of an iron Kenny.[;)]

O.K. that's funny....it took me a few minutes, but, thats a good one.

Yep, he's a Cartman. Only a fat**s would spell psychology "pshycology".

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Kevin C. Smith

Short haul traffic? Great! That's supposed to be the hardest to get away from the trucks, I thought.

If it's in the form of multiple carsets, shorthaul railroading can easily beat the truckers. It's only carload stuff that can't compete in the shorthaul. That's why shorthaul grain shuttles make sense, your rates are usually only competing with truck rates at $0.06 to $0.10 per ton/mile, not barges or other railroads at $0.02 per ton/mile. Railroads can more often than not garner more profits with shorthaul shuttles than long haul shuttles.

[MP173]

RHUMES:

Is the area inside the rail line farmed? It seems to me that could occur. Dont know the math, but it wouldnt be too hard to figure out, based on a capacity of about 125 cars (circle) and the area inside would be easy to figure.

I remember touring a facility in Illinois last year and it was quite an operation.

ed

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ChuckCobleigh

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken

QUOTE: Originally posted by ajmiller

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken
I am nothing like Cartman. I am more like Chef......

I would have thought you would have been more of an iron Kenny.[;)]

O.K. that's funny....it took me a few minutes, but, thats a good one.

Well Chuck, there are a few guys here that would prefer my traditional demise.
Without, of course, Kenny's usual ending, we hope.

[rvos1979]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Kevin C. Smith


I should mention here that much of the Wissor's grain carloads do not go offline anymore since two ethanol plants were built on the system, they eat up quite a bit of the grain that the elevators load. There are still loads destined for Chicago and points beyond, but it isn't as much as it used to be.

Randy, former Wissor employee

Short haul traffic? Great! That's supposed to be the hardest to get away from the trucks, I thought. What's the distance you haul from elevator to plant? I may be wrong but I assume that being the originating & terminating carrier gives you a better rate than your division of a longer, offline haul?

[ChuckCobleigh]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken

QUOTE: Originally posted by ajmiller

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken
I am nothing like Cartman. I am more like Chef......

I would have thought you would have been more of an iron Kenny.[;)]

O.K. that's funny....it took me a few minutes, but, thats a good one.

Without, of course, Kenny's usual ending, we hope.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ajmiller

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken
I am nothing like Cartman. I am more like Chef......

I would have thought you would have been more of an iron Kenny.[;)]

O.K. that's funny....it took me a few minutes, but, thats a good one.

[Anonymous]

As with everything it boils down to money and space. I work for a company which has several elevators. The biggest constraint is space. An elevator located in a rural area can buy land most of time at less cost than urban areas. Building a balloon track requires several acres, because you buy all the land not just where the tracks run. Depending on the track, it could take about 160 acres. With average farm prices around $2500 per acre, cost of ground alone is $400,000. When you add the cost of track and building, you are probably around $1.5 million. Go to an urban area where a lot cost $20,000, which is just a small part of an acre. For some locations a small yard next to the tracks are their only option due to space and money.
If you build a balloon track you need to load several trains a month to justify the cost. The average covered hopper carries about 3500 bushel of grain times 110 cars equals 385,000 bu of grain. If you are loading two to three trains a month you are having to receive a lot of grain in order to load trains. Plus a bonus is that a shuttle can show anytime of the day and you have 15 hours to load the train to get the shuttle rate of shipping grain. Granted the railroad will give you a window when the train will show up, but do delays or weather they can change.

[Anonymous]

As with everything it boils down to money and space. I work for a company which has several elevators. The biggest constraint is space. An elevator located in a rural area can buy land most of time at less cost than urban areas. Building a balloon track requires several acres, because you buy all the land not just where the tracks run. Depending on the track, it could take about 160 acres. With average farm prices around $2500 per acre, cost of ground alone is $400,000. When you add the cost of track and building, you are probably around $1.5 million. Go to an urban area where a lot cost $20,000, which is just a small part of an acre. For some locations a small yard next to the tracks are their only option due to space and money.
If you build a balloon track you need to load several trains a month to justify the cost. The average covered hopper carries about 3500 bushel of grain times 110 cars equals 385,000 bu of grain. If you are loading two to three trains a month you are having to receive a lot of grain in order to load trains. Plus a bonus is that a shuttle can show anytime of the day and you have 15 hours to load the train to get the shuttle rate of shipping grain. Granted the railroad will give you a window when the train will show up, but do delays or weather they can change.

[Kevin C. Smith]

I should mention here that much of the Wissor's grain carloads do not go offline anymore since two ethanol plants were built on the system, they eat up quite a bit of the grain that the elevators load. There are still loads destined for Chicago and points beyond, but it isn't as much as it used to be.

Randy, former Wissor employee