QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie I have commented to the Driver how bad the 9's and the AC4400's sound. I hope they hold together better than they sound to an amateur ear. They shake, they smoke, and they are just plain flat out noisy.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Swafford After reviewing the Trains magazine April issue, it appears that BNSF has ordered 70 SD70Ace’s for 2006. “While BNSF hasn’t said what models it will get, at least 70 are expected to be SD70ACe. Best regards, Swafford
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QUOTE: Originally posted by joegreen QUOTE: Originally posted by rdganthracite QUOTE: Originally posted by bnsfengineer As a engineer I hate the GEVO, and for that fact I don't like and GE's. Take them all to the scrap yard. I have been running coal trains for 3 years now and GE just cannot do what GM does. The dash 9, AC4400cw, the GEVO all slip and slide all over the rails. The desk top shakes and you can barely hear yourself think. All I can say is junk, junk, junk. The brand new Gevo has one thing going for them and that is I like the cab set up as for the the control stand, but that is about it. I love running anything GM. I would take an SD40-2 or especially an old Oakway SD60 anyday. Now SD70Mac's are about the best engines ever built. I had moved 128 loaded coal cars with just one Mac and that engine did not know the word quit. I hope the SD70Ace is about the same. I am not an engineer nor do I pretend to be. But what you say is exactly opposite of what the engineers I talk to on NS and CSX say. They detest the SD50s, SD60s, SD70s and SD70ACs as being extremely slippery on anything other than perfectly dry rail. I have been told several times that even the morning dew is enough to cause them to lose thier feet. Every one of the engineers I talk to prefer the newer GEs or the GP40-2 plus slug sets. Remember BNSF and NS are different railroads. If NS is having problems with the SD70M-2 then why did they order so many in the first place, and why did they order so many more after the first were delivered?
QUOTE: Originally posted by rdganthracite QUOTE: Originally posted by bnsfengineer As a engineer I hate the GEVO, and for that fact I don't like and GE's. Take them all to the scrap yard. I have been running coal trains for 3 years now and GE just cannot do what GM does. The dash 9, AC4400cw, the GEVO all slip and slide all over the rails. The desk top shakes and you can barely hear yourself think. All I can say is junk, junk, junk. The brand new Gevo has one thing going for them and that is I like the cab set up as for the the control stand, but that is about it. I love running anything GM. I would take an SD40-2 or especially an old Oakway SD60 anyday. Now SD70Mac's are about the best engines ever built. I had moved 128 loaded coal cars with just one Mac and that engine did not know the word quit. I hope the SD70Ace is about the same. I am not an engineer nor do I pretend to be. But what you say is exactly opposite of what the engineers I talk to on NS and CSX say. They detest the SD50s, SD60s, SD70s and SD70ACs as being extremely slippery on anything other than perfectly dry rail. I have been told several times that even the morning dew is enough to cause them to lose thier feet. Every one of the engineers I talk to prefer the newer GEs or the GP40-2 plus slug sets.
QUOTE: Originally posted by bnsfengineer As a engineer I hate the GEVO, and for that fact I don't like and GE's. Take them all to the scrap yard. I have been running coal trains for 3 years now and GE just cannot do what GM does. The dash 9, AC4400cw, the GEVO all slip and slide all over the rails. The desk top shakes and you can barely hear yourself think. All I can say is junk, junk, junk. The brand new Gevo has one thing going for them and that is I like the cab set up as for the the control stand, but that is about it. I love running anything GM. I would take an SD40-2 or especially an old Oakway SD60 anyday. Now SD70Mac's are about the best engines ever built. I had moved 128 loaded coal cars with just one Mac and that engine did not know the word quit. I hope the SD70Ace is about the same.
QUOTE: Originally posted by bnsfengineer Yes, joegreen is correct that BNSF and NS are different railroads, but how many cars does NS run on their coal trains? BNSF is running trains with 135 cars, at 19 thousand tons with 1 and 1 dp. Now that is doing some pulling which the GE cannot do very well with out slipping. The Mac does a very good job for these types of trains and BNSF has started running 150 car trains to the Thomas Hill power plant in Missouri. These have been test trains that bnsf has ran a couple of times and only with Mac's for power.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Joby QUOTE: Originally posted by farmer03 what was the reason for the alleged 'bad blood' between BNSF and EMD anyway? BN bought however many hundreds of sd70macs and the bulk of santa fe power was EMD. name change comes with an attitude change i guess. Gm sold ALL autorack contracts west of the Mississippi to UP. BNSF returned the favor by not Purchasing any GM products. Now that Bombardier is n control of EMD, things might change. Secondly, GE's are still the coolest. All you SD40 lovers want an universal engine again to be from EMD. Personally, I'll always liked U-Boats and ALCOs way more, but that's me. MORAL of the Story: GE is the best
QUOTE: Originally posted by farmer03 what was the reason for the alleged 'bad blood' between BNSF and EMD anyway? BN bought however many hundreds of sd70macs and the bulk of santa fe power was EMD. name change comes with an attitude change i guess.
QUOTE: Originally posted by arbfbe The GE's, they can be called roaches. They are everywhere and you just can't get rid of them. BNSF 5525 had a turbo charger over run last night. It took 45 minutes to burn out all the crankcase oil. What a show. Sparks out the stack for 25' in all directions, flames for 30'-50' straight out the stack. Best 4th of July fountain display I have ever seen. I am glad there was snow on the ground and not extreme fire danger in the forest. Just another reason to go 2 cycle.
QUOTE: Originally posted by bnsfkline Price shouldn't be the matter in what builder a railroad buys from. It should be the quality. EMD has had a history of putting out quality locomotives. They have had more locomotive models go over the 1,000 mark, and a few gove over the 2,000 mark, and one gone over the 4,000 (SD40 Series) mark in total production. GE has had only 5 models hit the 1,000 mark and only 2 over the 2,000 mark. That goes to show that EMD know what they are doing.
QUOTE: Originally posted by edbenton Also remember those first 70MAC's are also 15 years old and maybe BNSF is looking for a replacement for them. 15 years of pulling max weight and maxpower on grades will wear out an engine regardless of who made it. There are fleets out there in the trucking feild they are replaced every 2-3 years just do to the wear from the mountains. try having only 12000 hp remember the first sd70's only had 4000 hp and pulling crawford hill or other grades like that.
QUOTE: Originally posted by UPTRAIN They need some, lol. Spice up that wastepool of GE's.
QUOTE: Originally posted by rrnut282 QUOTE: Originally posted by arbfbe Just another reason to go 2 cycle. I thought both GE and EMD went to 4-cycle prime movers to meet Tier2 regulations.
QUOTE: Originally posted by arbfbe Just another reason to go 2 cycle.
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QUOTE: Dingoix you goof. I still like my Athearn H1 GP38-2's. Your realy hooked on those H3's arn't you? Allan.
QUOTE: Originally posted by dingoix QUOTE: BNSF will be getting these 30 SD70ACe's in H3, just as the 40 new GP38-2's from NRE will too. YES!!!! H3 GP38-2's!!!
QUOTE: BNSF will be getting these 30 SD70ACe's in H3, just as the 40 new GP38-2's from NRE will too.
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