Originally posted by Ham549 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mhurley87f Member sinceOctober 2004 From: U K 146 posts Posted by mhurley87f on Monday, November 28, 2005 6:41 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by rrnut282 The granddaddy of all stories of "sunken locomotives" has to be the story of the remnants of the Russian court fleeing the advancing army of Napoleon. They piled all the gold and jewels on a train and headed east, hoping a russian winter would do to Napolean what the Russian Army couldn't. As the story goes, they laid temporary tracks across the frozen surface of Lake Baykl to save time. They never made it to the other side. There's a hefty bonus for finding this old sunken steamer. I think you need to check your dates, here, mate !! Reply Tulyar15 Member sinceJuly 2005 From: Bath, England, UK 712 posts Posted by Tulyar15 on Monday, November 28, 2005 3:34 AM There are known to be a number of shipwrecks off the British Isles with all sorts of locos from varying periods. So far no-one has tried to raise any of these. Reply trainboyH16-44 Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: Mile 7.5 Laggan Sub., Great White North 4,201 posts Posted by trainboyH16-44 on Sunday, November 27, 2005 7:59 PM Also on the British Columbia Railway, on Seton and Anderson lakes, rockslides have driven locomotives into the lake, and I believe that there might still be a couple down there. Go here for my rail shots! http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?userid=9296 Building the CPR Kootenay division in N scale, blog here: http://kootenaymodelrailway.wordpress.com/ Reply Trailryder Member sinceMay 2005 From: Northern Illinois 130 posts Posted by Trailryder on Sunday, November 27, 2005 6:47 PM info about 2 steam engines (1850s circa) off the coast of New Jersey http://www.cdnn.info/industry/i040919a/i040919a.html the above info is dated September 19, 2005 later Bill If You Don't know where your going, Any Road will Take you There. Reply Kurn Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Akron,OH 229 posts Posted by Kurn on Sunday, November 27, 2005 5:55 PM The two 2-2-2's were probably built by Seth Wilmarth of Boston for the Cumberland Valley RR. They share a lot of features with the road's Pioneer(now in the Smithsonian),although they are somewhat larger.Some historical society in Jersey wants to raise them,but I don't know if any plans or progress has been made. If there are no dogs in heaven,then I want to go where they go. Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Sunday, November 27, 2005 5:47 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR Don't forget the newly-built steam locomotive ordered from abroad by the New York, Susquehanna & Western, lost overboard in a storm before it ever got here. It was subsequently replaced. That other magazine has a running gag about it. IIRC ,that NYS&W engine was not lost overboard. The ship hauling it sank with the engine aboard. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply rrnut282 Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: MP CF161.6 NS's New Castle District in NE Indiana 2,148 posts Posted by rrnut282 on Sunday, November 27, 2005 2:33 PM The granddaddy of all stories of "sunken locomotives" has to be the story of the remnants of the Russian court fleeing the advancing army of Napoleon. They piled all the gold and jewels on a train and headed east, hoping a russian winter would do to Napolean what the Russian Army couldn't. As the story goes, they laid temporary tracks across the frozen surface of Lake Baykl to save time. They never made it to the other side. There's a hefty bonus for finding this old sunken steamer. Locally, there are rumors of a Pennsy Atlantic or Pacific that derailed into the swamps west of Fort Wayne circa 1890 and were never retrieved. I'm sure almost every locataion has a similar story that is recounted with a few minor detail changes. Mike (2-8-2) Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Saturday, November 26, 2005 11:54 PM Don't forget the newly-built steam locomotive ordered from abroad by the New York, Susquehanna & Western, lost overboard in a storm before it ever got here. It was subsequently replaced. That other magazine has a running gag about it. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply mersenne6 Member sinceMarch 2004 913 posts Posted by mersenne6 on Saturday, November 26, 2005 11:19 PM There are a number of engines from the 1850's period and before on the bottom of Lake Erie. They were lost during lake storms during that time. None were ever salvaged so if you happen to have a ready source of funding you might want to consider looking for them - at least they are in down in cold fresh water as opposed to salt. There was an article about these engines in R&LHS by John White a few years ago. Reply samfp1943 Member sinceJune 2003 From: South Central,Ks 7,170 posts Posted by samfp1943 on Saturday, November 26, 2005 8:28 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by miniwyo Yea, I believe there were 2 of them, they were supposedly brand new 2-2-2s Saw it on The National Geographic Channel. He has the info right. The two engines were supposedly deck cargo on a ship that lost them over the side in a storm, both engines were brand new 2-2-2's, something like twenty miles off the coast of New Jersey. Reply miniwyo Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Rock Springs Wy. 1,967 posts Posted by miniwyo on Saturday, November 26, 2005 7:51 PM Yea, I believe there were 2 of them, they were supposedly brand new 2-2-2s Saw it on The National Geographic Channel. RJ "Something hidden, Go and find it. Go and look behind the ranges, Something lost behind the ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go." The Explorers - Rudyard Kipling http://sweetwater-photography.com/ Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 26, 2005 7:10 PM Yes there are dozens of lost Locomotives from pre-1900 underwater. it was typical to load locomotives on the decks of ships, when a storm hit, the load sometimes shifted and the captain either opted to dump the deck loads for balance, or they were thrown overboard by the weather. As for why they weren't raised, some have been and been partially restored, but after 100+ years there really is no reason to raise them, as most of the metal is long rusted away and what's left is very fragile. Reply Edit exPalaceDog Member sinceFebruary 2005 627 posts Posted by exPalaceDog on Saturday, November 26, 2005 6:53 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Ham549 I heard rumors about some rare steam locomotives that somehow sunk in a lake or something. Is this True? If so what kind of locomotive? Why hasn’t anyone bothered to raise it? The Old Dog remembers seeing a TV program about this subject some time ago. It mentioned three locomotives someplace off the Atlantic coast. But if you really want steam under water, you might look up the British K-Class submarines from WW I. Have fun Reply Ham549 Member sinceJanuary 2002 229 posts Steam under water Posted by Ham549 on Saturday, November 26, 2005 6:38 PM I heard rumors about some rare steam locomotives that somehow sunk in a lake or something. Is this True? If so what kind of locomotive? Why hasn’t anyone bothered to raise it? Save the F40PH! Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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QUOTE: Originally posted by rrnut282 The granddaddy of all stories of "sunken locomotives" has to be the story of the remnants of the Russian court fleeing the advancing army of Napoleon. They piled all the gold and jewels on a train and headed east, hoping a russian winter would do to Napolean what the Russian Army couldn't. As the story goes, they laid temporary tracks across the frozen surface of Lake Baykl to save time. They never made it to the other side. There's a hefty bonus for finding this old sunken steamer.
Go here for my rail shots! http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?userid=9296
Building the CPR Kootenay division in N scale, blog here: http://kootenaymodelrailway.wordpress.com/
If there are no dogs in heaven,then I want to go where they go.
QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR Don't forget the newly-built steam locomotive ordered from abroad by the New York, Susquehanna & Western, lost overboard in a storm before it ever got here. It was subsequently replaced. That other magazine has a running gag about it.
Carl
Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!)
CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM)
QUOTE: Originally posted by miniwyo Yea, I believe there were 2 of them, they were supposedly brand new 2-2-2s Saw it on The National Geographic Channel.
RJ
"Something hidden, Go and find it. Go and look behind the ranges, Something lost behind the ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go." The Explorers - Rudyard Kipling
http://sweetwater-photography.com/
QUOTE: Originally posted by Ham549 I heard rumors about some rare steam locomotives that somehow sunk in a lake or something. Is this True? If so what kind of locomotive? Why hasn’t anyone bothered to raise it?
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