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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 22, 2003 7:56 PM
Now that the war is almost over, I think George Walker Bush was correct. While we have yet to find the weapons of mass destruction, we have found plenty of evidence Iraq had them, if not have them.

And we have found evidence of terrorists in Iraq. While they may or may not be related to Al Queda, there is no doubt that their best fighters were not Iraqis.

As for the threat to America one only needs to remember the Twin Towers. WE ARE AT WAR WITH TERRORISTS, and they declared the war. The United States is only responding.

Any state that harbors terrorists that threaten the United States should take notice.....


Peace is an interesting word. In my Websters it is defined as this: 1. freedom from war or civil strife. 2. an agreement to end war. 3. freedom from public disturbance; law and order. 4. harmony; concord. 5. an undisturbed state of mind; serenity. 6. calm; quiet.

Therefore peace is more than not being at war. Peace is more than that. When terrorists disturb the public harmony, peace is lost.....

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 22, 2003 3:17 PM
If Someone were to refer to someone as "herr" anybody and then make reference to the fascism of the individual - that sounds like name calling to me!

Read the whole Bill of Rights - it applies to all - not just those who agree with you. The name caller, the callee, and anyone else who objects to name calling, are all equal under the Constitution.

As to whether anyone is a name calling liberal or a name calling whatever - WHO CARES. IT IS ALL VERY TIRESOME.

Enough said! I hope!

Oh, and It sure didn't take any nerve at all to say that!
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Posted by edblysard on Monday, April 21, 2003 1:08 AM
Hi David,
I think that was part of the "plan", for the newcomers to embrace the idea of America with hope for themselves and their children. I also think that some of us have grown so use to the freedoms and "rights" we have, that we lose sight of the fact that this is a unique way of life, in one of the only functioning democratic republics that has survived.
My across the street neighbor, who is muslim, saw some show on A&E, or discovery channel, about the Alamo, then watched John Waynes movie. He had a lot of questions. Foremost was, do Americans always distort the truth in their movies. I had a hard time explaining that the movie combined myth and fact, and yes, JW took a little license with the facts, but only to make the movie more entertaining, not to distort the truth. He wanted to know why, wasnt the truth good enough? I tried to explain that no one really knows all the truth about what happened there, and he was amazed. He assumed all americans would consider it a holy place, and every thing that could be know about it would have been discovered. He's right, we Texans do consider it a holy place, after all, it was a church. He then wanted to know if it was true, that the defenders intentionaly sacrificed themselves so Sam Houston would have time to raise a army. I told him yes, that was the whole point of taunting Santa Anna into a fight there, instead of at San Jancinto. He pointed out that," thats what makes Americans a great "people", that we are willing to die in order to preserve the idea of freedom". I didnt have the heart to tell him that at that time, Texas wasnt part of America, but was a nation itself. But he got the point about America, that we are willing to sacrifice everything for a concept, or idea, of freedom.
Whats sad is that, in our society's ru***o make our country more like the "modern" world,(read Euro-trash) we seem to have forgotten what places like the Alamo, Shilo, and Valley Forge stand for, and what the people there really did.
As silly as it may sound, they died so you and I could sit around and watch trains when and where we liked, without having to ask our goverment "if we can".
In fact, out goverment, by design, has to ask us, the citizens, "if it can".
Without you, me, and my new American Muslim neighbor, all with a somewhat different idea of what America is and stands for, this country would have never come into exsistance, nor survived this long.
Stay Frosty,
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Posted by edblysard on Monday, April 21, 2003 12:30 AM
Hi Rick,
Maybe I didnt type it in big enough letters. I dont think we should have attacked them, or invaded their country. I too, dont see the provocation needed to invade another country. Before every one starts asking if I missed 9/11, no, I was horrified in front of my TV all day long. But the time to act against them was then, in a quick, decisive manner.
And no, I dont doubt the Nazi's felt fully justified in what they were doing, and had what they belived were reasonable and just reasons for doing so. I also feel that quite a large part of the German populace agreed with them, after all, their econonomy was shot to pieces, their money worthless, and along comes a leader who promises he can fix it all. Of course they followed him, its human nature to want to belive someone has all the answers. Thats why religions have lasted, and will continue to last. Which, in the end, was exactly what fascists sold them, in the form of national socicalism, or the Nazi's.
And I still think if the Iraqis wanted Saddam out, they should have revolted. Yes, I know he had all the guns, but so did the white south africans.
Personaly, I think Rumsfeld would look just about "right" in a black uniform, with silver lightening bolts on the lapels. He kinda has that permanently pissed off, pinched look to him.
Stay Frosty,
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, April 20, 2003 7:32 PM
Your assessment of me is so far off base, let me just say you have a lot of nerve calling someone else a "namecaller".

Try reading the bill of rights someday
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, April 20, 2003 7:30 PM
No specific harm intended to you Ed, I always enjoy your posts.

There just is this thick sentiment of American self righteousness floating around, and it burns me a tad.

I for one would had no ethical dilemma in going in and rolling that country (or any other) flat as a pancake. AFTER significant provocation. And it simply is not there in the current situation.

Look at the attempts by "Rummy" and "Dummy" to build a case to justify what they've wanted to do all along, and in each instance, the premise has crumbled before them (weapons of mass destruction pointed at our kids in their schools, etc) Then it became "the war to save the Iraqi people" (don't know if you've seen the papers lately, but the pictures I see are of banners reading "invaders go home") it's hard to say we are really wanted there.

It stems mostly from our current infatuation with "political correctness" But when that political correctness is constituted of hyperbole and half truths (as it is now) what good is it?

I'm sure that the Nazi's were full of reasons why the halocaust should be a patriotic rallyinng point, do you doubt it?
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Posted by foamer4000 on Sunday, April 20, 2003 12:26 AM
Hi Ed,
Both of my grandparents grew up on farms in Michigan. They were both at least the third generation in the states. Diversity is good, except for the people who do not appreciate what america stands for. Some people have no appreciation for the soverenty of America. These are the people who I do not consider diverse, but a threat. What amases me Is that first generation Americans often hold this country higher than the decendants of the pilgrams. That is truly sad.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 19, 2003 5:03 PM
I'm gonna stay off the politics except to say that I agree with you about the war, but want to say this:

I was in Germany in the late 1980s and the Bundesbahn is the greatest thing going. I wish we could have passenger rail service like that in the U.S. Amtrak just doesn't cut it, it doesn't even serve a lot of major cities (like Las Vegas) and except on the east coast isn't practical for commuting if you need to be there on time. In Germany in just about every town you are within walking distance of a Bahnhof and can take the train anywhere in the country you want to go. I envy you living there for that reason.:)

We in the U.S. need to get serious about passenger rail service, and the German Bundesbahn would be a good model to follow.
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Posted by edblysard on Saturday, April 19, 2003 11:44 AM
But boreing as all get out, its the diversity that makes this country really great, and why my grandfather, and most likely yours too, came here in the first place.
Stay Frosty,
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Posted by foamer4000 on Friday, April 18, 2003 8:39 PM
Ed,
If I ever make it to Texas I will look you up.If all Texans and Americans were like you what a country it would be!
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 18, 2003 2:19 PM
Its just an electronic stylization.

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Posted by edblysard on Wednesday, April 16, 2003 10:08 AM
SShhhh.....

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Posted by Mookie on Wednesday, April 16, 2003 10:00 AM
Ed: ? Doesn't insurance and safety preclude other than workers from being on the property and engines? Or is this sshhh?

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Posted by edblysard on Wednesday, April 16, 2003 12:53 AM
Hi David,
Any time you get to Houston, it 8900 Clinton Drive, across from the Port of Houstons Gate #8. I am the guy switching right under the tower, wed thru sun, 1500 to 2300,(3:00 pm till 11:00 pm) Even let you ride a bit, if you can stand being banged around a bit.
And yes, after having been a lot of places with my dad, and having seen how a lot of the world really lives, there aint no place like home,
God Bless Texas!
Stay Frosty,
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Posted by edblysard on Wednesday, April 16, 2003 12:47 AM
Hey, RmC,
I am quite sure our goverment had more inside intelligence that they will ever make public, I understand the reason for it, and agree. I am also sure that BP petroleum, Dutch Royal Shell. Mobil/Exxon and Conoco also have sources deep with in. And I dont mind the US being the worlds policeman. What I do mind is most of the rest of the world sitting around, doing nothing but complaining about a problem, then calling us to fix it, and then complaining even louder, and condemning us for being the policemen they asked us to be.
And as for being a isolationist, well, thats you choice, but I am only one generation off the boat, so I am kinda biased, heck, it turns out even the "native" americans were aisan immigrants.
I do agree with Teddy Rosevelts "walk softly, but carry a big stick" statement, but I lean towards the walk softly part. Regardless of what inside info, or covert intelligence the administration may have, in the end, they will have to publicly justify this war, not only to the world, but to the folks here. Its going to be really bad pr if, after declaring war on Saddam for having wepons of mass destruction, and those weapons being viewed as a threat to the worlds peace and safety, no one finds the nukes or stashes of biological weapons inside the country.
If just being a threat, or having nuclear weapons is justification for us to wage war, we best get after the Koreans, China, and France, although that last one ought to go quicker that the current one, after all, the Iraqis fought back.
Although I like Norman Rockwells version of America, and there is a lot of truth in his work, I realize nothing is as cut and dried as we would perfer, and rarely do things turn out as it appeared they would.
I dont know, maybe I am wrong, but I do trust my instincts, alot, and as silly as that may sound, something about all of this raises the hairs on the nape of my neck, and runs goosebumps all over. It just dosnt "feel" right. Over simple, maybe, but thats how is feels.
Glad your getting..
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Posted by foamer4000 on Tuesday, April 15, 2003 10:02 PM
Hi Ed.
The French are the smelly poaster children of arrogance! I saw on the news today that the American boycot of French products is hurting them. They have changed their tune completly now. They want to take part in the rebuilding of Iraq. They want to get their hands on as much oil as possible! Too bad they do not remember the boys who kept German from becoming the national language.
I have heard from other people that the Russians are very good people, and very poor. I hope things are better for them now after the fall of the U.S.S.R.
I would like to meet in the daylight also, a tour of your GP-15's would be nice. We are lucky to live in the states!
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 15, 2003 5:41 PM
Ed,

How could they air this information without the risk of giving away how they got it, or from whom. That kind of info in enemy hands would allow them to prevent our learning anything. And those that help us get it would be instantly dead.

Those under cover guys and special forces in Iraq are also heroes, and that goes also for the Iraqi patriots who are our sources. They deserve our respect too. And our protection by not telling everything we know right away.

I too would prefer that we not be the world's policeman, but to remain free ourselves, we would then have to entirely close our borders and become isolationists. On the other hand, one great liberal professor of mine burned it into my mind and heart that no one is truely free while anyone in the world is enslaved.

Despite my relatively isolationist view, I for one will hold judgement until we can be told more. I do hope that does not take too long.

Gettin Frosty
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Posted by edblysard on Tuesday, April 15, 2003 5:33 PM
Just wondering about the Capital, lower case, then Capital again.
And yeah, I can understand how you would feel about Vietnam, my dad used to say, "if you are going to engage in a police action, or an advisority action, then send cops and advisors.
If you'r going to wage war, send the military.
But only send them if you plan to win."
Vietnam ultimatly caused his brother to muster out of the Air Force, he couldnt tolerate taking kids in, and bringing bodies home.
Dad stayed in another 10 years, but felt it no longer stood for the values he had grown up with.
Keep working on the Frosty, its a blissful state of mind...
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 15, 2003 4:54 PM
Hello Ed,

That's my initials, but I don't get the pun -enlighten me.

Anyway, I was one of those sailors who had to come home from Vietnam only to be scorned. I guess I am still kinda touchy about that.

Especially since at least three times I participated in major offensives in Vietnam where we were victorious in battle, at the cost of thousands of lives, only to have the politicians change their minds after the fact, yielding it all back to the enemy.

As the war in Vietnam wore on, we too began to wonder why we were there - Why all this bloodshed. It seemed for nothing, and that made the horror of war all the more unbearable.

But as you say, our liberties absolutely depend upon the strict obediance and loyalty of the military to civilian authority. Unfortunately, we can't tell that to the tens of millions of Southeast Asians who were exterminated after we lost the war. That's why all the "boat people" eventually had to flee for their very lives.

After one of these campaigns, we got word of the rioters in Berkeley and other places who used classic military tactics against the police and national guard. We really wondered how they knew such tactics, and began to wonder if the war was really at home and Vietnam a mere diversion. At least we eventually began to understand there was real division back home. Obviously, our politicians had failed in their leadership role before the American people.

OR - in our free and open society, was there an organized campaign of opposition directed from abroad. One would like to think not, but what better way defeat an opponent in a war you might not win militarily. Our enemies would be remiss if they didn't at least try. These efforts are usually referred to as dis-information and progaganda wars. The Soviets were very good at it. We have historically done very poorly.

In any event, I too do not wish any of our service men and women to have to endure that again. War is horrible enough all by itself. The real immorality of the Vietnam war was that the politicians vascilated again and again, making a mockery of the loss of vietnamese lives and the supreme sacrifices made by many of my friends.

Unfortunately, we see some of this again. Congress voted overwhelmingly for this war. Then many of them "changed their minds" after the troops were sent into battle. It is hard for me to contain my hostility towards such "Turncoats".

If they did not want war they should have voted NO last October - and not sent our sons and daughters into battle in the first place.

Anyway, since they WERE sent into battle, the only acceptable end is victory, and hopefully very quickly.

Thanx Ed, for letting me vent.

Not yet Frosty, but getin there!
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Posted by edblysard on Monday, April 14, 2003 9:47 AM
Hi David.
Man, I hope your right on the additional information not released to the public, but I just have this nagging feeling that if they did have anything else, they would have aired it, to gather public support.
As for Vincent, he didnt sound like he was much over twenty or so, and I remember when I was that young, bullet proof and all knowing. I doubt the French even teach much about WWII in their schools, much less about the GIs who died there.
My Dad was still in the Navy when we were there, and any time we went anywhere, the looks people gave him, and his uniform, made me realize most of the generation born after the end of the war had no clue. In fact, I am quite sure they were taught that they, the french, turned the tide in that war. Almost to a person, they were a smug and somewhat arrogant lot.
And I found it hard to stay inside a shop or store with more than two or three of them, seems they use soap and water as often as they used their manners, every once in a while.
Heres something that sounds odd, on the face of it.
The Russians were more friendly, and better host,
than the french. They showed a willingness to exchanged ideas and concepts that flatly surprised me, everything I had read and been told about them was somewhat jaded. Of coures, they have, or had, almost nothing, no food, no "new" clothing, and almost no automobiles. That alone showed me how much we have in this country, where almost everyone of us owns at least one car, there, only "important" people had cars, everyone else rode the subway, trains, or walked and rode bicycles. To show you how closed and shut off their socieity is, I traded a roll of lifesavers to a russian locomotive engineer for his railroad watch. He had never even seen lifesavers, kept watching me as I was eating them, you could tell he wanted one, but didnt know how or was to embarrased to ask for one.
I offered him one, butterscotch, and the look on his face would have made the candy company a million dollar add campain. He took out his watch, and through our "guide", explained he wanted to trade for the rest of the roll, he wanted to take it home to his kids. I had a whole box of them back at our hotel, and a new roll in my jacket, so I gave it to him, tried to tell him to keep the watch, (I was afraid he would get in trouble for losing it, considering who our "guide" worked for) but he insisted, told me it was ok, the watch never worked right anyway. He was right, the thing never keeps time, ever. But imagine living somewhere where a simple roll of candy is so unique and unusal.
So I look back at the french, who have so much, paid for by so many of our kids, who treated me and my dad as if we were trash, and the russians, who have so little, and treated us as if we were favored kin, giving us the best they had in their homes and at their tables, even though our countries were each other's enemy.
Yeah, the french forgot, or are just too arrogant to admit what a debt they owe us, and the russians, who owe us nothing, are hungry for the freedomes our kids died for in france.
So I know jow lucky I really am, not only to live in America, but to live in Texas!!
And David, if we ever meet, I hope its not in a dark ally, but trackside, in broad daylight, so we both can enjoy the sight and sound of a train!
Stay Frosty,
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 14, 2003 3:58 AM
Vincent,

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, April 13, 2003 5:44 PM
I agree. Now the french want a part in rebuilding Iraq, Russia's President Putin is saying that we've failed in our objectives in Iraq. However, I've heard nothing from the Germans. Perhaps they know the score--they may want to fix relations before they spout off like Chirac and Putin.
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Posted by foamer4000 on Sunday, April 13, 2003 12:55 PM
Ed
I am not offended by you. I am offended by the French and Vincent's ignorance. I looked forward to reading your reply. You have enough knowledge and life experience to give a good assesment of the situation. I see your point on not invadeing another country unless provoked. In this situation I belive Busch made the right call. Busch tried diplomatic ties, He stood up infront of the world and gave Saddam an ultimatum. Busch told Iraq what he had to do to avoid war. He did not resort to haveing someone blow themselves up on Iraq soil to prove his point. I belive Busch knows he only has one tearm to deal with this. Maybe thats why he is a little impatient. Saddam had his people so terrified they could not ask for help. Saddam would have killed anyone who tried. I would like to believe that our leaders are acting on more information than the general public has. As for the troops. I have nothing but the upmost respect for them. They have put their families and personal desires on hold to do this. They are the ones who are making the sacrafice for freedom! They will be in Iraq for a long time, and some of them will not come home alive. I owe these boys and girls, men and women a great deal. (along with every other soldier to fight for the United States, Including the ones sent to Vietnam) These soldiers have made it able for me to enjoy the fruits of a free society. The French owe the boys who died in Normandy a great deal more. The French truely have forgotten.
Ed, I hope it is you that I meet in a dark alley, I may need a lantern.
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Posted by foamer4000 on Sunday, April 13, 2003 12:55 PM
Ed
I am not offended by you. I am offended by the French and Vincent's ignorance. I looked forward to reading your reply. You have enough knowledge and life experience to give a good assesment of the situation. I see your point on not invadeing another country unless provoked. In this situation I belive Busch made the right call. Busch tried diplomatic ties, He stood up infront of the world and gave Saddam an ultimatum. Busch told Iraq what he had to do to avoid war. He did not resort to haveing someone blow themselves up on Iraq soil to prove his point. I belive Busch knows he only has one tearm to deal with this. Maybe thats why he is a little impatient. Saddam had his people so terrified they could not ask for help. Saddam would have killed anyone who tried. I would like to believe that our leaders are acting on more information than the general public has. As for the troops. I have nothing but the upmost respect for them. They have put their families and personal desires on hold to do this. They are the ones who are making the sacrafice for freedom! They will be in Iraq for a long time, and some of them will not come home alive. I owe these boys and girls, men and women a great deal. (along with every other soldier to fight for the United States, Including the ones sent to Vietnam) These soldiers have made it able for me to enjoy the fruits of a free society. The French owe the boys who died in Normandy a great deal more. The French truely have forgotten.
Ed, I hope it is you that I meet in a dark alley, I may need a lantern.
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Posted by edblysard on Saturday, April 12, 2003 11:37 PM
David,
First, I appoligize if I offended you. But I have a distain for those who do nothing, yet critique everyone else. Pretty much, if you cant run with the big dogs, stay on the porch.
I have come to feel the UN is no longer able to influence the world we live in. And yes, the monsters now come in all shapes and sizes.
But I also agree with, and support the rules of war that all nations agreed to. Sure, the terrorist dont play by the rules, thats why its called terror, instead of war. Sounds silly, to disect it that way, but, if we allow the acts of terrorist to change the way we, as a country, view the rest of the world, and allow them to force us to abandon the rules we expected the rest of the world to follow, then we have become as base and low as they are. Sorry, but suffering acts of terror are part of living in a free society. So are presidental assinations, robbery and drunk drivers and road rage, its all part of the deal. The alternative is to live like the rest of the world, hunkered down in our own little hole, waiting for the other side to attack. Should Americans start walking around our cities with M16s slung over their shoulders?
God, I hope not.
Attacking another country, because one felt threatened, was the trademark of others, not America. We unleashed our military might, but only when openly attacked. No, terrorist attacks and the cowards who commit them are not new to America.
Do I think Saddam needed to go, you bet. But I think the Iraqies should have been the ones to ask for our assistance in overthrowing him. Now, they have no choice, its either his regime, or our version of a free Iraq.
But the whole point I was attempting to make is that its too late to make up our minds, its a done deal. So now, instead of spitting on the kids coming home, welcome them as the brave soliders they are. As for Vincent, well, I would suggest that, next time he decides to tell someone what they and their country does is wrong, he should visit and live in that country, instead of relying on the junk you see on TV or in the papers. See for himself how and what America is really all about, then make up his mind as to what and who we are. Once he has done that, then he is free to tell all of us how wrong we are, it is, after all, one of the very rights those kids at Normandy died for.
Stay Frosty,
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Posted by foamer4000 on Saturday, April 12, 2003 10:03 PM
Ed
I have been thinking all day on how to reply to Vince. It is hard to get thru to an arrogant, rude individual with a closed mind. I have a great distate for people who undermine the United nations, and then complain when we have to proceed to the next level. The sanctions in Iroc could be in place for the next thousand years, and Sadam's family would still be in power. I am not for war. I do not like American soldiers to become heros by death. The fact is the world has changed. The monsters will not come like Stallin or Hitler. They will come as cowards with biological or nuclear weapons. A small team will inflict damage, never revealing who or why they are doing it. The rules changed before 911. Remeber the Cole? The first trade center bombing? How about all of the soldiers who have died in terrorist attacks? WE HAVE BEEN ATTACKED FIRST. It would be nice if we could turn a blind eye to the world. We can not. America is a representation of the entire world. We all live here becouse it is a better place. America is not perfect. America tries its best to improve itself over time. In the last 227 years every empire has made mistakes. Americans try to learn from them, and help when we can. Ask an Iraci woman what she thinks today. Her family will no longer be at risk from the Iraci regime. Things may get a little worse before they get better.

Vince and Ed
I support this war. I agree with president Bush. It take real courage to go against France, Germany, Russia, among some of Americas own.
Bush will be in power for no more than Eight years. This is not the start of Bush ruleing the world. Believe me, If Bush can not support his claims, he will be out of office in less than four. Myself and millions of others will see to that!
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Posted by edblysard on Saturday, April 12, 2003 11:03 AM
Wow, I guess "I do not agree with our presence in Iraq" somehow dosnt translate into french, or somehow means "lets nuke em" in latin?
Yup, we got cows in Texas. And peppers hot enough to start a fire all on their own. And Fort Hood, Fort Sam Houston, Randolph Air Force Base, Kelly Air Force Base, Ellington Field, and about ten other training grounds for all the GIs and Airmen who gave their life for a idea, and did so on the soil of your country.
Have you been to Texas?
I ask, because I have been to your country. I know what devestation and horrors your country went through. And even after all of that, you guys still havent learned that some people cant be bargined with, no matter what you do.
As for rude and narrow minded, I supposed so, after all, theres nothing here but cowboys and cows.(we keep the oil wells and cows in the back yard, its rude to have them out front) We dont raise sheep in Texas, we realize that skill belongs in Europe, sorta reflects you guys attitude, you know, herd together and run.
And your right, history repeats itself.
A monster took over a country that couldnt defend its self, gassed over half of a certain group in the population, threatened to kill all the rest if they didnt bow down to him, and then blackmailed the rest of the world.
Sound familar? It should, to you of all people.
So what did the french do, fight him? Join with others and try to oust him? No, even after everyone realized he was killing that many people, and that he really was a monster, you guys kept selling him munitions, and the chemicals he used to make his posions.
So the rest of the world asked us to take care of him for them.
We did, and now you condemn us for having done so. Guess we wernt cultured enought about it?
Guess you didnt see or here about the protest going on here? No, we are not "the best of the world". But we dont hide behind others, shouting insults at our attackers, all the while comdeming the person we are hiding behind.
Yup, we are a rude bunch, after all, weve only been Americans for 227 years, unlike the french, you have been arrogant for a thousand years or so, and have had a lot of practice at getting others to fight your wars for you. By the way, you have the right to disagree with me, my country's constitution guarantees you the right to say kiss my butt, any time you want to, in english and french. No, I am not narrow minded, I just dont like people mis-quoting history to make a point. Yup, I dont like women with hairy armpits, high priced wine that taste like ripple, fish eggs on toast, or interior decoraters with a lisp. Yes, I do like cute blondes,with clean armpits and shaved legs, fields full of cows, a good cup of coffee, and the right to speak my mind, paid for by the blood of soldiers and sailors who died defending the concept that you, me, and all the narrow minded people who dont agree with you have the right to express their views in public, with no fear. Go to normandy, stand in the cemetery, and just look at all the grave markers. Then walk over to the cliff, and look down. If you got em, your cajones should suck right on up there. I dont think I would have had the guts to even come close to that place, no matter what the cause. Then turn around and look at the cemetery again. They died so you could insult us on a computer forum, or in print, on in person, if you ever get over here.
Next time your lost in a dark ally, or in a field of cows, call on the Americans, we got laterens and cowboys, lot of them, and gladly send them where they are needed.
You realize peace, and freedom, isnt free?
Ed

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Posted by jsanchez on Saturday, April 12, 2003 9:16 AM
Qustion:What do you call Germany, France and Russia?

Answer: The axis of WEASEL.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 12, 2003 4:51 AM
Well said Ed,
I think that you didn't understand what i meant (normal , i'm French...)
I 'd like to tell you how true is your answer, but i can't .You only think that we forgot your help , and the deads Gi's... Thats the origin of the problem. Can't you understand simply that we desagree with the war? it's simple to understand. Stay cool , relax , and think instead of beeing so rude and impolite. If you only act this way when you desagree with someone else , i didn't think that America is a so cool place, full of so clever people.
It's easy to say we are cowards. I never thought there was only cows living in Texas, but you do think there's only cowards leaving in France ? who's wrong ?
I guess you are true when you talk about America thinking " best of the world..." and so on , you're right : you're getting alone.
You're are destroying all what you're parents built, all what the Gi's gave their life for.
For the " kiss my butt " , do you think that it as a really great importance ?
To the other people of this forum , and as i won't write anything more on this forum (it's useless, deseperatly useless) and it's not the place (talking about train no ?), thank you ( too you Ed too), i've learned many things about history and how some of you could be narrow minded (thanks , there not so many). For the other who told jokes about French , they certainly don't know that most of them came from France and was dedicated to Italians.
History repeats.
Despite this i still keep my respect for all of you. I think I can do this.
Thanks Guys, may all of us live in peace, in this world or in a dark alley, or even in a field surrounded by cows.
Vincent

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