NS vs. CSX

[waltersrails]

CSX was good seeing today but NS Still showed more action. Plus seeing the UP CR CR new logo NS CR and lease engine go through was great.

[Anonymous]

Yes, restoring Chessie would be a good start. Forget the CSX. CSX to me reminds me of the Rust Belt. Abandoned factories and mills.

[waltersrails]

NS did surprise me last night after a six engine train CR in front followed by 5 NS engines and the last one being a GP59 OLS scheme that made my day. If they run more classic shcemes i might like them better.

[cpbloom]

QUOTE: Originally posted by icmr

Who cares how much they paid.

I'm just pointing out the fact that they paid sort of proves CR DOES NOT equal Crappy Railroad, lighten up.

What the [censored] has happened to this forum lately.

[Anonymous]

What the heck. NS is better in all aspects...they have been better orgaized and more prophitable that CSX....besides they may have a share or dash 9s...but so does CSX...and NS has better locos because CSX never had hi-hood units!!!!

QUOTE: Originally posted by alstom

I like CSX better than NS, because CSX has a variety of power where NS is lamo Dash 9s[zzz] . Also there paint is better on CSX than on NS.

[waltersrails]

CSX IS A great railroad because it has the B&O. No really CSX is good but i still like NS a little better.

[icmr]

Who cares how much they paid. NS got the better end of the deal (DUH). I agree with gelvr1 about CSX but not about Conrail. Everything he said about CSX is right and it also describes UP. Feel free to disagree. Also, cpbloom I like your picture.



ICMR

[cpbloom]

Colin that was great post......

especially that part about "foamers who don't who don't care if the RR is making money or not just run trains for the sake of running them for our amusement like some giant 1:1 scale model railroad."

I feel there are a lot of people here and elsewhere who think like this. [xx(]

CR = "Crappy Railroad" [:(!] based on what? Unlike other fallen flags, Conrail went out a winner. I know it was probably because of a bidding war, but didn't NS and CSX pay almost 3 times what UP paid for SP???

[Anonymous]

Gelvr,

Are you saying a RR is only good on whether it has a good color scheme on its locomotives or on its financial and operating performance??

You will get no arguement out of me regarding NS's performance as transportation company with excellent balance sheets and service. But to base on whether you like a RR based on such trivial criteria is why for years so many in the industry has dismissed us railfans as a bunch of yahoo foamers who don't care if the RR is making money or not just run trains for the sake of running them for our amusement like some giant 1:1 scale model railroad.

The Chicken *** Xpress monikcer may well be deservered of CSX, but say what you will Conrail did in fact save freight railroading in the northeast!!! And that's a fact Jack!!

QUOTE: Originally posted by gelvr1

Norfolk Southern definitely is my favorite and in my opinion the best railroad ever on face of the earth!!!!!! Love that black and white.
CSX sucks! CSX=Chicken S**T EXpress
Although I am happy about one thing CSX did, but they had to have NS's help, and it was buying Conrail. Conrail sucks even more than CSX does, and CSX sucks a whole lot.
CR=Crappy Railroad.
NORFOLK SOUTHERN RULES!!!!!!!! Always have and always will!!
That black and white paint sure is better looking than that crappy paint CSX uses to try to show off with all that yellow, blue, and gray. CSX can't even make up there mind as far as what scheme to paint there engines. NS has only had one paint scheme until just recently when they're painting new and newly acquired engines in the "Horsehead" scheme, but at least it is still black and white. CSX has had god knows how many paint schemes.

[Anonymous]

ns, done and done...

[Anonymous]

My favorite railroad company of today is the BNSF, UP comes in a close second, my favorite railroad company of all time would either be BN, ATSF, SP or MP.

QUOTE: Originally posted by icmr

I was just wondering how many people like CSX and how many like NS.

[Anonymous]

Don't hold back, gelvr1. Let it all out . . .

Old Timer

[Anonymous]

Norfolk Southern definitely is my favorite and in my opinion the best railroad ever on face of the earth!!!!!! Love that black and white.
CSX sucks! CSX=Chicken S**T EXpress
Although I am happy about one thing CSX did, but they had to have NS's help, and it was buying Conrail. Conrail sucks even more than CSX does, and CSX sucks a whole lot.
CR=Crappy Railroad.
NORFOLK SOUTHERN RULES!!!!!!!! Always have and always will!!
That black and white paint sure is better looking than that crappy paint CSX uses to try to show off with all that yellow, blue, and gray. CSX can't even make up there mind as far as what scheme to paint there engines. NS has only had one paint scheme until just recently when they're painting new and newly acquired engines in the "Horsehead" scheme, but at least it is still black and white. CSX has had god knows how many paint schemes.

[markn]

NS-because they are our hometown heros

[ValleyX]

Well, yeah they do, except for the parts they sold off or ripped up.

[waltersrails]

NS is the best but CSX has the B&O.

[icmr]

Thanks for all of the replies. There is some really good info here.

ICMR

[icmr]

But lets not forget that NS is the largest auto carrier in North America.

ICMR

[Anonymous]

Yeah, icmr is right Alstom, NS and CSX both run a lot of auto trains. It is possible though that the NS tracks where you live might not see a lot of auto trains though. And, NS doesn't have all Dash 8s or 9s, here lately I've seen quite a few SD units, SD60, SD70, even an SD40-2 High nose, etc. etc. But you are partly correct, CSX does run quite a few auto trains, at Effingham Illinois, they run a lot of auto trains on the former Conrail tracks. And "CSXrules4eva", you said CSX got 40 something of CR, it was 42% of CR stock and NS 58%. The CR split occurred on June 1, 1999 (DAY ONE), and financial control of CR took place August 22, 1998.

[Anonymous]

Yes, and the old N&W was pushing for automotive parts shipments and automotive rack cars 'way back in the Sixties. But to be fair, not every route gets an abundance of every kind of train. It's easy to infer something not statistically true by looking on one's home line as representative of all service.

[icmr]

alstom,
I need you to get your facts straight.

Norfolk Southern is the largest rail shipper of automotive products in North America and 13 of the last 20 assembly plants to locate in the eastern United States have chosen Norfolk Southern to be their serving carrier. NS serves 36 U.S. auto assembly plants, 38 auto distribution terminals, 4 Just-In-Time (JIT) Rail Centers, and 4 vehicle mixing centers strategically positioned across its network.

Serving shippers and receivers of finished vehicles and parts, including:
• BMW
• DaimlerChrysler
• Ford
• General Motors
• Honda
• Izuzu
• Jaguar
• Land Rover
• Mazda
• Mercedes-Benz
• Mitsubishi
• Nissan
• Saab
• Subaru
• Suzuki
• Toyota
• Volkswagen


In order to meet shipping requirements, Norfolk Southern currently manages one of the largest and most updated fleets of automotive rail equipment in the country. Norfolk Southern is dedicated to providing its customers with the safest, most up to date and efficient fleet of automotive rail equipment in North America . Norfolk Southern is striving to continually improve upon boxcar technology to maintain this efficient fleet, which creates valuable savings for manufacturers as their cargo safely moves from origin to destination on time.


I was also wondering if you spend a lot of time railfanning NS because if you do you must not go to a line that has a lot of auto trains on it.

ICMR

[Anonymous]

Guilford Rocks!!!!!! [8D]

[alstom]

Let me explain myself. I mean that NS has too many locomotives with the "Dash." What I mean by Dash is Dash 8, Dash 9, you don't see too many Dash 7s(C30-7s) on NS too much anymore.

Where CSX has better paint schemes, better foreign and leased power and better auto service. Have you ever noticed how NS barely runs auto trains??

So my pick is CSX!! But like "Cris Helt" said, NS does have some rare units like the B32-8, GP38AC and C41-8Ws.

Richard

P.S.)-my favorite used to be NS....but I began to like CSX, since it doesn't have the same power over and over.....

[Anonymous]

My interest in trains is mostly photographic so CSX is the winner. The ubiquitous black and white of NS is boring. CSX displays a good variety of colorful paint schemes on any given day. Best reason to railfan NS: they're running lots of Union Pacific and BNSF locos along with Conrail engines that so far have escaped the paint shop.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX

Espeefoamer, have you checked out the map to see why things are the way they are? Since CSX got the Big Four from Cleveland to St. Louis and NS can run only eight trains a day between Bucyrus and Crestline, and all the traffic between Chicago and Pittsburgh runs via Toledo and Cleveland, it couldn't be any other way.

Oh, and there's that little thing of CONRAIL (remember them) downgrading the PRR west of Crestline, abandoning the Panhandle lines between PIttsburgh and Chicago via Columbus, but you want to blame NS. Hmmmm.

The grand desire falls yet again to the logic of the VAlleyX. Well said sir. PL

[ValleyX]

Espeefoamer, have you checked out the map to see why things are the way they are? Since CSX got the Big Four from Cleveland to St. Louis and NS can run only eight trains a day between Bucyrus and Crestline, and all the traffic between Chicago and Pittsburgh runs via Toledo and Cleveland, it couldn't be any other way.

Oh, and there's that little thing of CONRAIL (remember them) downgrading the PRR west of Crestline, abandoning the Panhandle lines between PIttsburgh and Chicago via Columbus, but you want to blame NS. Hmmmm.

[Anonymous]

Though I am more of a TP&W and ATSF fan, of the teo, CSX and NS I would have to choose NS, as they also ran threw my old childhood home. I always liked that horse. Plus when they rolled into town they looked big and heavy.

[espeefoamer]

I am a Pennsy fan,and I don't like what NS did to the PRR main line between Pittsburgh and Chicago[:(!]!

[CSXrules4eva]

alstom I agree with you 110 percent!!!!!! In my book CSX is number one The only thing I don' t like about CSX is it's under maintained track.

NS Railfan if you want to see some hard core NS action come on over to PA, there is tons of it more NS action over here than CSX, that I know of. Ever since Conrail was split betwwen CSX (40 something) and NS (58 percent) , NS has taken over all of PRR's lines, and as you know PA had LOTS of PRR lines. Go Figure!! lol