Looking for detail maps

[Anonymous]

mmmm! I don't what to make of this post but thank you for replying. If you think i'm one of the people you are describing than you're wrong. Thanks again anyway.

BTW, Ed, thanks for the tip on the article in Trains but I already have that. It's the reason I got interested in the first åplace. It just doesn't show sidings and spurs that i was interested in. The edition is from Janurary 1996, if anyone is interested.

Could the admin please close this topic? It seems to be stirring the pot. Thanks

[mudchicken]

If mudchicken were angry, you wouldn't have to guess at it. If you look at some earlier postings (including the one claiming one subfan had "the right" to abuse the freedom of information act to obtain maps out of an emergency action plan) on this forum and over on the sister forum for the model (toy) railroaders, you would see the problem. Hobbyists make it that much harder (along with some of the tax and spend nuts) for people that have a legitimate need to obtain railroad maps and documents for important projects. To this day, railroad companies get besieged by unthinking people that want stuff for their own narrow minded little purposes, want it for free and want the guys in the engineering department to drop everything and kowtow to them.

If you could only see the blunders and wild guesses by professional engineers and surveyors because they could not dig a little deeper to get map data because model railfans "poisoned the water" before them. Frightening.

(In another post, Copcar was talking about Castle Rock, CO - not long ago we cleaned-up a 12+ acre mistake ( two roughly 50' x 1 mile strips) by a surveyor because of an assessor map and a R/W map misread at this location, frustrated by his inability to ask for the proper data from the railroad because he had no idea who to talk to[V]....the black sheep in this hobby make it harder for people with legitimate requests to find data.)

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[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken

Kansas City to Detroit is roughly about 750 miles by railroad...

(1) What tiking is not going to get is a set of railroad track charts (i.e. schematics) for rhe surviving lines. Non-railroaders won't get those ever. Most would not understand the bulk of what they are telling the reader anyhow.

(2)Getting ICC val Maps for that section would set you back about $8000 if you could purchase them from the railroad for at least 200+sheets or more given typical railroad cadastre. Being the size of the order going to a non railroader/surveyor/engineer, the Feds will right over to see you with a one way ticket to Guantanamo in hand.

(3)Getting the more outdated version of the ICC Val Mapsfrom Archives II will put you back about $10,000.

Then we get back to what you think is "very detail"[?]....Do a better job of forming your question Stick to Terraserver, Norfolk Southern's website and a few old timetables, the rest is beyond your reach and none of your business anyhow.

[banghead][banghead][banghead]

Thanks all for reply but Munchicken are you angry at me? Did I ask something stupid? I didn't mean to stir up anything. When I said detail I expect an absolut detail track for track but more of a general overview of the mainline and possible sidings if possible.

Thanks for answering though.[B)]

[mudchicken]

Kansas City to Detroit is roughly about 750 miles by railroad...

(1) What tiking is not going to get is a set of railroad track charts (i.e. schematics) for rhe surviving lines. Non-railroaders won't get those ever. Most would not understand the bulk of what they are telling the reader anyhow.

(2)Getting ICC val Maps for that section would set you back about $8000 if you could purchase them from the railroad for at least 200+sheets or more given typical railroad cadastre. Being the size of the order going to a non railroader/surveyor/engineer, the Feds will right over to see you with a one way ticket to Guantanamo in hand.

(3)Getting the more outdated version of the ICC Val Mapsfrom Archives II will put you back about $10,000.

Then we get back to what you think is "very detail"[?]....Do a better job of forming your question Stick to Terraserver, Norfolk Southern's website and a few old timetables, the rest is beyond your reach and none of your business anyhow.

[banghead][banghead][banghead]

[Anonymous]

http://maps.google.com/
You can switch from map to satellite picture over your subject.

[tree68]

Look for employee timetables - on-line, swap meets, train shows.

Do searches (Google) on the line - sometimes people have taken the time to document stuff like that for their own edification, and have posted it on a personal website.

[MP173]

TRains had a great article on it back in 1996. No detailed map that I can recall tho.

ed

[Anonymous]

Try Microsoft Terraserver.com
Here's the link: http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com
BNSFrailfan.

[Anonymous]

Hi. Can anyone point me in the direction as to where I can find a very detail map on the NS wabash route as kit is today? That would be Between Detriot - Kansas city. Basically everything in between in terms of sidings, purs and industry along the line.

Pics if any would help as well. Thank you.[:)]