QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken QUOTE: Originally posted by gabe QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken Gabe: What you are looking at in the Beemer is GIS (Geograhic Information System)....GPS (Global Positioning System) helps put the red dot on the map where you are, harnessed to the GIS display. The two are not synonimous and most of the time work independently of each other in other applications. (The GPS system in the car is hardly precise, especially when the car is moving).... Mudchicken, Thank you. I didn't realize that--until my law school loans are paid off, I don't think I am going to be able to afford either and I haven't paid too much attention to them until now. Gabe With that point registered, now the object of the sermon: When you are in a position to own a Beemer or other high dollar "jogging shoe" with onboard GIS/GPS capability, please remember that GIS people are notoriously bad about entering correct railroad data in their metadata files (background maps) and frequently get caught guessing. This drives railroad professionals nuts! It may louse up your day when you set up shop near a track looking for a certain train and it passes behind you in the woods on another track. [%-)]Mark is hinting at the same thing about dated info on maps or guessing by GIS data entry people (Garbage In = Garbage Out)[^][^][^]
QUOTE: Originally posted by gabe QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken Gabe: What you are looking at in the Beemer is GIS (Geograhic Information System)....GPS (Global Positioning System) helps put the red dot on the map where you are, harnessed to the GIS display. The two are not synonimous and most of the time work independently of each other in other applications. (The GPS system in the car is hardly precise, especially when the car is moving).... Mudchicken, Thank you. I didn't realize that--until my law school loans are paid off, I don't think I am going to be able to afford either and I haven't paid too much attention to them until now. Gabe
QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken Gabe: What you are looking at in the Beemer is GIS (Geograhic Information System)....GPS (Global Positioning System) helps put the red dot on the map where you are, harnessed to the GIS display. The two are not synonimous and most of the time work independently of each other in other applications. (The GPS system in the car is hardly precise, especially when the car is moving)....
QUOTE: Originally posted by gabe Mark, Thanks for the advice. I didn't realize the second line had been pulled. The map I was using was the car's GIS, which I think was 2002 or 2003. It should both lines as active. That would explain a lot though, as I drove quite a ways north of the west side of Sussex looking for the line before I gave up. Gabe
QUOTE: Originally posted by gabe There actually were two bar and grils. One bar and grill was on one side of, I think, 74 (the road signs were a little messed up, my GPS map said the road was 74 but a sign said it was 614 or some 600 road), which was more or less right next to the WC line. The other bar and grill, which had the upper deck patio, was about 100 yards from the track and on the north side of, I think, 74. Given the elevation of the UP line and the line behind it, it would be awesome if the bar and grill faced the other direction. Gabe
QUOTE: Originally posted by fuzzybroken QUOTE: Originally posted by gabe There are two bridges just north of the bar, one is UP and there is one just 150 yards north of it, which I think is CP. Gabe The bridge to the north is the Bugline Recreational (i.e. bicycle) Trail. It used to be a Milwaukee Road branchline, that was all curvy and hilly and probably contributed to MILW's demise... but seriously, this line was once the source for a lot of Lannon stone in nearby Lannon. The branchline ran as far as North Lake, where it parallelled the C&NW before dead-ending -- no connection to the C&NW. The North Lake end of the line was home to the Kettle Moraine RR for many years, while the east end of the line was Wisconsin & Southern's Menomonee Falls Sub before US-41/45 reconstruction cut it off east of the freeway (used to be a grade crossing), and the remainder was abandoned in 2003-04. The middle section has been the bike trail for quite a few years now. Gabe, good to have you out in my neck of the woods!!! Sorry you didn't see any trains, usually it's pretty lively, but with the holiday weekend... Hope to "see" you around here again! -Mark Milwaukee, WI (south side) www.fuzzyworld3.com www.geocities.com/fuzzybroken PS How old was your map??? -MH
QUOTE: Originally posted by gabe There are two bridges just north of the bar, one is UP and there is one just 150 yards north of it, which I think is CP. Gabe
QUOTE: Originally posted by Bergie Hi Gabe, First, those passenger cars are owned by Quad/Graphics, the company that prints many of our magazines (including Trains). Sussex was just a little too far north. Duplainville would have been a better bet, because that's where the CP and CN (ex-WC) lines cross, although the diamond is off the road a little bit and getting near it is frowned upon (although that doesn't stop some people). I'll never say that Duplainville is a great railfanning locale, because it's not. The scenery is bad, however, it's a good place to start from (or a good place to get roster shots on the CP from the business park frontage road that parallels the CP main). I'm curious to know the name of the place with the rooftop patio. Was it right around the corner from the Hardees restaurant? Bergie
QUOTE: Originally posted by jeaton Gabe Was the tavern you stopped at the one at the Duplainville crossing of CP & CN (WC)? Jay
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