The H3 BNSF scheme is taking over cars.

[Anonymous]

I saw a BNSF train in january, with BRAND NEW hoppers, (end of january) and they were just built! haha! sucks for BNSF!

[Anonymous]

*uc*s, doesn't it? Apparently the BNSF is going with all due speed to put in that swoosh, or to use my terminology ban the warbonnet.

What is so special about block-italics of BNSF? General Electric put its initials (GE) on the top of Rockefeller Center in italics. The public doesn't much care for it, though. GE went back to its "monogram" logo and even named the credit service that.

As for GE's problem child, NBC, they use all kinds of logos: the 1940's "chimes" logo that goes back to the NBC Red radio network; the "snake" ("NBC" spelling itself out in one motion, the drawing never leaving the screen [1959]), the "Peacock" of course, concurrent with the shift to all-color broadcasting (mid-Sixties); and the more stylized Peacock of recent years.

As far as I remember, the only logo National Broadcasting left alone after its introduction was that crazy, blocky "N" that some high-powered design firm came up for them in about 1976--that was the one that looked very much like the "N" that a Nebraska PBS outlet had designed for themselves earlier.

And what, pray, is so great about the swoosh? I mean, it was cute when Michael Jordan was advertising with it ten or fifteen years ago, but it is SO tired and overused. My bank uses one. My produce stand uses one. Value City, a local department store, uses one. And on and on. Hardly a symbol of daring modernity!

Conclusions: (1) No one, not even graphix people, are quite as cool as they think they are. (2) Heritage works. An anhistorical motto like the new swoosh may cause RR people to think they are being extra cool, but in the public's eye (and that includes most shippers, I'd wager), recognizable trademarks are not to be jettisoned. (3) When a railroad's company store offers only the latest logos (and here BNSF seems to fit), that line is in effect going to some trouble to throw away money.

I know the April 11 board meeting put BNSF on track to paint the new design on as much stuff as possible. I won't deign to call it Heritage Anything, because as the writer so well remarked in a posting above, "Heritage" has nothing to do with it.

Heck, why can't the BNSF incorporate the old -- I think it was Northern Pacific -- circle with red and black "yin" and "yang" kind of symbols? Would look great on freight for exort to Asia and send a message two.

Is it worth bothering Mr. Rose again about these issues. Or is this a totally done deal and the paint-overs couldn't even be phased in more gradually?

allen

[fuzzybroken]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ericsp

I seem to recall reading somewhere, I think it might have been in Trains, that the green has been replaced with black on the new paint scheme. If this is correct, can this still be called a "Heritage" scheme?

Maybe another "Dark Future" paint scheme??? [:o][}:)]

-Mark
www.fuzzyworld3.com

[ericsp]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

You should see it on the side of their new grain hoppers!

Ed

I saw one of those last week. It actually did not look bad. Fortunately, I still have not seen a locomotive in this paint scheme.

I seem to recall reading somewhere, I think it might have been in Trains, that the green has been replaced with black on the new paint scheme. If this is correct, can this still be called a "Heritage" scheme?

[DPD1]

QUOTE: Originally posted by n_stephenson

What's more unusual to me is seeing a RR owned tankcar. The overwhelming majority of tank cars I have ever seen have been privately owned. I wonder if BNSF's new logo scheme could inspire a new era of logo changes for the other RR's.

I was thinking the same thing... I didn't think those existed anymore. I also saw a pic someone took of a gray BNSF hopper that had the logo in orange, and it looked like the swoosh might be dark green, but I couldn't tell. At least it's nice to see some color other then brown and white.

Dave
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[fuzzybroken]

QUOTE: Originally posted by CHPENNSYLVANIA

Bring back the Warbonnet.

I'll second that one! Heck, if they wanna be creative, one with Cascade (BN) green and silver would even do!

-Mark
www.fuzzyworld3.com

[espeefoamer]

Looks great on the side of a tank car[:)],sucks on the nose of a GEVO[:(!].
Saw a string of BNSF 5 unit articulated well gons last Friday.

[espeefoamer]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Bob-Fryml

Thirteen years ago BN was buying diesel fuel for its Guernsey, Wyo. locomotive servicing facility from the Frontier Oil Refinery in Cheyenne. Quite a few larger capacity tank cars stencilled for the C.B.& Q. plus the Great Northern Railway handled that Company business and there may have been some B.N. ones as well.

This issue does bring to mind one interesting practice that the pre-BNSF BN had implemented and that was a series of Galesburg-Seattle power sets equipped with diesel fuel tank cars. A typical locomotive consist featured two SD40-2s + BN tank car + two SD40-2s. The tank car was equipped with M.U. cable pass-through wiring as well as M.U. hoses pass-though pipes. The idea here was to fuel the train at the cheapest point just ONCE each round trip between northern Illinois and Puget Sound. Does BNSF still maintain that practice, or have they abandoned it?

BN stopped using fuel cars before the merger.

[Bob-Fryml]

Thirteen years ago BN was buying diesel fuel for its Guernsey, Wyo. locomotive servicing facility from the Frontier Oil Refinery in Cheyenne. Quite a few larger capacity tank cars stencilled for the C.B.& Q. plus the Great Northern Railway handled that Company business and there may have been some B.N. ones as well.

This issue does bring to mind one interesting practice that the pre-BNSF BN had implemented and that was a series of Galesburg-Seattle power sets equipped with diesel fuel tank cars. A typical locomotive consist featured two SD40-2s + BN tank car + two SD40-2s. The tank car was equipped with M.U. cable pass-through wiring as well as M.U. hoses pass-though pipes. The idea here was to fuel the train at the cheapest point just ONCE each round trip between northern Illinois and Puget Sound. Does BNSF still maintain that practice, or have they abandoned it?

[edblysard]

It’s a combustible liquid...I agree with you Jay, it a tank car full of diesel fuel...
Still a lot of the old ATSF fuel tank cars running around....[
quote]Originally posted by jeaton

Can't read the Haz Mat Placard, but wouldn't it be company material, possibly diesal fuel?

Jay

[mudchicken]

Much simpler stencil application.

[Anonymous]

Interesting how BNSF is using two types of lettering on the tank car. The older style lettering is use for the reporting marks above the car's number.

Regarding the new paint scheme on BNSF's locomotives, what's the point in changing from green to black anyway?

[joegreen]

QUOTE: First, they don't paint new ES44DC's in H3

Actually any engine from the 7740s and up have the new H3 scheme.

[CSXrules4eva]

Hay you know what BNSF's new scheme and logo might just as well in spire the other railroads to do something more "futuristic". I honestly don't know. I already know CSX isn't going to get inspired because, they already invested in the yn3 paint.
I have to keep a sharp lookout for new tank cars with the new BNSF logo!

Glen Ellyn you never know Metra might look good in H4 paint! Really lol.

[Anonymous]

Bring back the Warbonnet.

[fuzzybroken]

QUOTE: Originally posted by n_stephenson

I wonder if BNSF's new logo scheme could inspire a new era of logo changes for the other RR's.

I hope not!!! Hopefully the new logo will inspire a new logo change on BNSF! (Not to mention name change!)

-Mark
www.fuzzyworld3.com
www.geocities.com/fuzzybroken

[jeaton]

Can't read the Haz Mat Placard, but wouldn't it be company material, possibly diesal fuel?

Jay

[Anonymous]

What's more unusual to me is seeing a RR owned tankcar. The overwhelming majority of tank cars I have ever seen have been privately owned. I wonder if BNSF's new logo scheme could inspire a new era of logo changes for the other RR's.

[edblysard]

You should see it on the side of their new grain hoppers!

Ed

[Glen Ellyn]

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=107855

Very strange. First, they don't paint new ES44DC's in H3, but they will paint cars in H3? What's next, H4 on METRA?