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Originally posted by Hugh Jampton [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply kschmidt Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 590 posts Posted by kschmidt on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:02 AM I received and copied the information off of Trainorders.com. They list the source as "Press Reports". The original story can be seen at http://www.trainorders.com Unfortunately you have to be a member to read the entire story, but the lead it can be seen on the main page. Keith Keith Schmidt KC9LHK You don’t bring nothin with you here and you can’t nothin back, I ain’t never seen a hearse with a luggage rack. George Strait Check out Flickr Train Photo Page Reply wabash1 Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 2,849 posts Posted by wabash1 on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:17 AM this is true except for 1 thing it was illinois not indiania Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:27 AM Pipe bomb was found near Fairfield Illinois. News tv in Evansville,Indiana reported. 14wfie.com Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:30 AM Well Ill or Ind I am suprised it has not hit the national cable stations yet. [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by foureasy [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Hugh Jampton Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Southern Region now, UK 820 posts Posted by Hugh Jampton on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:57 AM I found a paragraph at least at last. http://www.wtvw.com/news/default.asp?mode=shownews&id=740 Couldn't have been much of a bomb., Generally a lurker by natureBe AlertThe world needs more lerts.It's the 3rd rail that makes the difference. Reply wabash1 Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 2,849 posts Posted by wabash1 on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:05 AM i wont tell you everything but it has been hushed. Reply edbenton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Back home on the Chi to KC racetrack 2,011 posts Posted by edbenton on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:46 AM coud have done more damage that you think placed right it could have knocked the rail out of alignment and that might derail a train. Always at war with those that think OTR trucking is EASY. Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:48 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by edbenton coud have done more damage that you think placed right it could have knocked the rail out of alignment and that might derail a train. I think I am going to go with the guy who has witnessed the affect of mortar rounds on the track and deals with these problems regularly on this one . . . Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,640 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:21 PM Just the fact that someone actually did this is downright frightening! I'm not discrediting those of you that state that this explosive might not have endangered trains, but there is a factor here that must not be overlooked: (1) Nuts, bolts, or any type of metal shrapnell propelled from even a minor explosion can cause severe injuries. (2) Not to mention the "possibility" of potential damage to mechanical components underneath locomotives, freight cars, and passenger cars. What a hassle for train crews! Very sadddening that stuff like this in the past has been pulled off by our own American citizens, including kids under 18. We have enough to worry about with the terrorism issue. Hopefully if this person is caught, he'll be made an example of. 10-4! "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:34 PM Here's an article. Railroad maintenance crew finds bomb A bomb was discovered under railroad tracks about one mile east of Fairfield, Illinois on Friday afternoon. Wayne County Chief Deputy David Zola said a Norfolk Southern Railroad maintenance crew discovered the device beneath the tracks near Fairfield off Illinois Highway 15 at approximately 12:50 Friday. He said the device was approximately 6 to 8 inches long, made of plastic pipe and was capped at both ends with a fuse. The fuse had been lit but apparently burned out with about 6 inches remaining. The sheriff's department called the FBI's Domestic Terrorism Unit along with the Illinois Secretary of State Bomb Squad, who examined the device before detonating it in a field about 19:00 Friday. Debris from the bomb, which was apparently filled with black powder, included shrapnel composed of nuts and bolts. Zola said the device would have been powerful enough to damage the tracks and derail a train. The incident is under investigation by the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, the Illinois Secretary of State Bomb Squad and the Wayne County Sheriff's Department. Anyone with information is asked to call the sheriff's department at 618-842-6631. - Matt Courter, The Olney Daily Mail, courtesy Larry W. Grant Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:39 PM Thanks. I wonder why CNN has not yet picked this up[?] Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:46 PM Probably cause they realize this is blown out of proportion. Like I said I think this was just some kids prank. Reply Hugh Jampton Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Southern Region now, UK 820 posts Posted by Hugh Jampton on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:52 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Here's an article. Wayne County Chief Deputy David Zola said a Norfolk Southern Railroad maintenance crew discovered the device beneath the tracks near Fairfield off Illinois Highway 15 at approximately 12:50 Friday. Zola said the device would have been powerful enough to damage the tracks and derail a train. What does a hick deputy know about what tit takes to derail a train?? Generally a lurker by natureBe AlertThe world needs more lerts.It's the 3rd rail that makes the difference. Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,640 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:05 PM Hugh, Interesting point, but don't be so quick to judge! A lot of police officers around the U.S are ex-military. It seems reasonable to assume that some have had training in explosive devices and understand what it would take to damage a tank or large vehicle. Just a thought! 10-4! "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply MP173 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Valparaiso, In 5,919 posts Posted by MP173 on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:23 PM Hick deputy? what the hell do you mean by that? ed Reply adrianspeeder Member sinceMarch 2002 From: Harrisburg PA / Dover AFB DE 1,482 posts Posted by adrianspeeder on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:30 PM What a bunch of morons. I've made them, but not with bits of metal and not placed to do harm. Well maybe the grill that is no longer with us would disagree, but that was nothing compared to what happened here. I'm glad it ain't on the national news, cuz then it would be blown all out of context, and all of us railfans would be terrorists. Adrianspeeder USAF TSgt C-17 Aircraft Maintenance Flying Crew Chief & Flightline Avionics Craftsman Reply Junctionfan Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: St.Catharines, Ontario 3,770 posts Posted by Junctionfan on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 3:42 PM Depending on how powerful the blast would be and if there were houses or anything that has civilians nearby, more then just railroads could be injured. It also would concern me if small children not trying to act like a punk would be near by and for that matter any other innocent person. Schrapnel could spread in any area within a given radius. Nuts and bolts at any velocity can still put out an eye for example. Andrew Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 3:50 PM Wether it did, or didn't explode, and wether it was powerful enough to derail a train or not, the mere fact that someone took the time to build and place such a device should scare the crap out of all of us... You can imply that if they had the resources, time, and knowledge to build a small one.... I mean, a "little bomb"...is that sorta like a "little" pregnant? You either are, or not.... Big bomb or little bomb dosnt matter, a bomb is a bomb.... Someone has a real problem with NS....former railroader, arrested fan(oh, great) or just a person with a twisted mind,,,,it really dosnt matter. What does matter is it was found, before it did any damage. And, what should matter to all fans is that the police, both local and state, plus the Feds, will be looking even harder at us... So, do yourself a favor, if you go train watching, take a buddy along, be safe, be conspicious and, if and when the cops ask you to move on...do so. Because you cant really blame them for being a little paranoid now! Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply JoeKoh Member sinceApril 2003 From: Defiance Ohio 13,292 posts Posted by JoeKoh on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 4:09 PM read it on the trains newswire.its really sad to see this stuff happening.going to have to be ever more watchful. stay safe Joe Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt eats your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(voted to be called the "Clinton St. can opener"). Reply corwinda Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 389 posts Posted by corwinda on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 5:00 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Hugh Jampton QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Here's an article. Wayne County Chief Deputy David Zola said a Norfolk Southern Railroad maintenance crew discovered the device beneath the tracks near Fairfield off Illinois Highway 15 at approximately 12:50 Friday. Zola said the device would have been powerful enough to damage the tracks and derail a train. What does a hick deputy know about what tit takes to derail a train?? I would presume he said this after watching the bomb detonated. And the hole said detonation left in the field. Reply tatans Member sinceMay 2004 4,115 posts Posted by tatans on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 5:25 PM Are we to interpret this as an act of terrorism against the United States, perpetrated in some rat-hole cave in Afghanistan that sent a team of morons over to Fairfield, Illinois(obviously the center of the American railroad network) to destroy (with a 6 inch length of plastic pipe) the American railroad transportation system??? I think maybe not ! Reply CopCarSS Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Turner Junction 3,076 posts Posted by CopCarSS on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 5:25 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Give me a break. I made lots of black powder pipe bo.....I mean fireworks when I was a kid and trust me nothing made out of 8 inches of plastic pipe is going to do any damage to railroad tracks. Though this incident is not good for railfans, I doubt we will be blamed for what was probably some kids dumb stunt. Only a small portion of doing damage with explosives involves what explosive you use. A little more of it has to do with how much stuff you use, and a LOT has to do with how you use it. If the pipe bomb was placed correctly it certainly could have damaged the track enough to cause a derailment. If it was just laying next to the rail, not braced against anything, it would have been pretty harmless to the rail (the shrapnel danger to human life is another matter completely). Depends how smart the little punk was that put it there. (My guess is that since his fuse failed to light it, he wasn't a demolition expert, and probably posed little threat to the railroad). Just my [2c], Chris Denver, CO -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply edbenton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Back home on the Chi to KC racetrack 2,011 posts Posted by edbenton on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 5:50 PM When they take down a building with explosives they only use 200-300 pounds to do it. If the bomb was enclosed in the ballast the force of the bomb would have gone up instead of down. Remember the bomb that brought down Pan-Am flight 103 only had 3 onces of c-4 in it. Always at war with those that think OTR trucking is EASY. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 5:53 PM Why do I get the feeling that Railfanning day's are all over for all Railfans? BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:06 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by CopCarSS QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Give me a break. I made lots of black powder pipe bo.....I mean fireworks when I was a kid and trust me nothing made out of 8 inches of plastic pipe is going to do any damage to railroad tracks. Though this incident is not good for railfans, I doubt we will be blamed for what was probably some kids dumb stunt. Only a small portion of doing damage with explosives involves what explosive you use. A little more of it has to do with how much stuff you use, and a LOT has to do with how you use it. If the pipe bomb was placed correctly it certainly could have damaged the track enough to cause a derailment. If it was just laying next to the rail, not braced against anything, it would have been pretty harmless to the rail (the shrapnel danger to human life is another matter completely). Depends how smart the little punk was that put it there. (My guess is that since his fuse failed to light it, he wasn't a demolition expert, and probably posed little threat to the railroad). Just my [2c], Chris Denver, CO We are talking black powder & PLASTIC. Even with schedual 80 PVC at 8" there is no way your going to do any more to the track than leave a residue mark, with or without projectiles being mixed in. Even with steel pipe and gunpowder you would have to try be trying VERY hard to do anything to the track structure. Trust me I've blown up MANY things. And no I have never damaged someone else's property. Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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Originally posted by foureasy [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Hugh Jampton Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Southern Region now, UK 820 posts Posted by Hugh Jampton on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:57 AM I found a paragraph at least at last. http://www.wtvw.com/news/default.asp?mode=shownews&id=740 Couldn't have been much of a bomb., Generally a lurker by natureBe AlertThe world needs more lerts.It's the 3rd rail that makes the difference. Reply wabash1 Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 2,849 posts Posted by wabash1 on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:05 AM i wont tell you everything but it has been hushed. Reply edbenton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Back home on the Chi to KC racetrack 2,011 posts Posted by edbenton on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:46 AM coud have done more damage that you think placed right it could have knocked the rail out of alignment and that might derail a train. Always at war with those that think OTR trucking is EASY. Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:48 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by edbenton coud have done more damage that you think placed right it could have knocked the rail out of alignment and that might derail a train. I think I am going to go with the guy who has witnessed the affect of mortar rounds on the track and deals with these problems regularly on this one . . . Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,640 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:21 PM Just the fact that someone actually did this is downright frightening! I'm not discrediting those of you that state that this explosive might not have endangered trains, but there is a factor here that must not be overlooked: (1) Nuts, bolts, or any type of metal shrapnell propelled from even a minor explosion can cause severe injuries. (2) Not to mention the "possibility" of potential damage to mechanical components underneath locomotives, freight cars, and passenger cars. What a hassle for train crews! Very sadddening that stuff like this in the past has been pulled off by our own American citizens, including kids under 18. We have enough to worry about with the terrorism issue. Hopefully if this person is caught, he'll be made an example of. 10-4! "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:34 PM Here's an article. Railroad maintenance crew finds bomb A bomb was discovered under railroad tracks about one mile east of Fairfield, Illinois on Friday afternoon. Wayne County Chief Deputy David Zola said a Norfolk Southern Railroad maintenance crew discovered the device beneath the tracks near Fairfield off Illinois Highway 15 at approximately 12:50 Friday. He said the device was approximately 6 to 8 inches long, made of plastic pipe and was capped at both ends with a fuse. The fuse had been lit but apparently burned out with about 6 inches remaining. The sheriff's department called the FBI's Domestic Terrorism Unit along with the Illinois Secretary of State Bomb Squad, who examined the device before detonating it in a field about 19:00 Friday. Debris from the bomb, which was apparently filled with black powder, included shrapnel composed of nuts and bolts. Zola said the device would have been powerful enough to damage the tracks and derail a train. The incident is under investigation by the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, the Illinois Secretary of State Bomb Squad and the Wayne County Sheriff's Department. Anyone with information is asked to call the sheriff's department at 618-842-6631. - Matt Courter, The Olney Daily Mail, courtesy Larry W. Grant Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:39 PM Thanks. I wonder why CNN has not yet picked this up[?] Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:46 PM Probably cause they realize this is blown out of proportion. Like I said I think this was just some kids prank. Reply Hugh Jampton Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Southern Region now, UK 820 posts Posted by Hugh Jampton on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:52 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Here's an article. Wayne County Chief Deputy David Zola said a Norfolk Southern Railroad maintenance crew discovered the device beneath the tracks near Fairfield off Illinois Highway 15 at approximately 12:50 Friday. Zola said the device would have been powerful enough to damage the tracks and derail a train. What does a hick deputy know about what tit takes to derail a train?? Generally a lurker by natureBe AlertThe world needs more lerts.It's the 3rd rail that makes the difference. Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,640 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:05 PM Hugh, Interesting point, but don't be so quick to judge! A lot of police officers around the U.S are ex-military. It seems reasonable to assume that some have had training in explosive devices and understand what it would take to damage a tank or large vehicle. Just a thought! 10-4! "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply MP173 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Valparaiso, In 5,919 posts Posted by MP173 on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:23 PM Hick deputy? what the hell do you mean by that? ed Reply adrianspeeder Member sinceMarch 2002 From: Harrisburg PA / Dover AFB DE 1,482 posts Posted by adrianspeeder on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:30 PM What a bunch of morons. I've made them, but not with bits of metal and not placed to do harm. Well maybe the grill that is no longer with us would disagree, but that was nothing compared to what happened here. I'm glad it ain't on the national news, cuz then it would be blown all out of context, and all of us railfans would be terrorists. Adrianspeeder USAF TSgt C-17 Aircraft Maintenance Flying Crew Chief & Flightline Avionics Craftsman Reply Junctionfan Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: St.Catharines, Ontario 3,770 posts Posted by Junctionfan on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 3:42 PM Depending on how powerful the blast would be and if there were houses or anything that has civilians nearby, more then just railroads could be injured. It also would concern me if small children not trying to act like a punk would be near by and for that matter any other innocent person. Schrapnel could spread in any area within a given radius. Nuts and bolts at any velocity can still put out an eye for example. Andrew Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 3:50 PM Wether it did, or didn't explode, and wether it was powerful enough to derail a train or not, the mere fact that someone took the time to build and place such a device should scare the crap out of all of us... You can imply that if they had the resources, time, and knowledge to build a small one.... I mean, a "little bomb"...is that sorta like a "little" pregnant? You either are, or not.... Big bomb or little bomb dosnt matter, a bomb is a bomb.... Someone has a real problem with NS....former railroader, arrested fan(oh, great) or just a person with a twisted mind,,,,it really dosnt matter. What does matter is it was found, before it did any damage. And, what should matter to all fans is that the police, both local and state, plus the Feds, will be looking even harder at us... So, do yourself a favor, if you go train watching, take a buddy along, be safe, be conspicious and, if and when the cops ask you to move on...do so. Because you cant really blame them for being a little paranoid now! Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply JoeKoh Member sinceApril 2003 From: Defiance Ohio 13,292 posts Posted by JoeKoh on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 4:09 PM read it on the trains newswire.its really sad to see this stuff happening.going to have to be ever more watchful. stay safe Joe Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt eats your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(voted to be called the "Clinton St. can opener"). Reply corwinda Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 389 posts Posted by corwinda on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 5:00 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Hugh Jampton QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Here's an article. Wayne County Chief Deputy David Zola said a Norfolk Southern Railroad maintenance crew discovered the device beneath the tracks near Fairfield off Illinois Highway 15 at approximately 12:50 Friday. Zola said the device would have been powerful enough to damage the tracks and derail a train. What does a hick deputy know about what tit takes to derail a train?? I would presume he said this after watching the bomb detonated. And the hole said detonation left in the field. Reply tatans Member sinceMay 2004 4,115 posts Posted by tatans on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 5:25 PM Are we to interpret this as an act of terrorism against the United States, perpetrated in some rat-hole cave in Afghanistan that sent a team of morons over to Fairfield, Illinois(obviously the center of the American railroad network) to destroy (with a 6 inch length of plastic pipe) the American railroad transportation system??? I think maybe not ! Reply CopCarSS Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Turner Junction 3,076 posts Posted by CopCarSS on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 5:25 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Give me a break. I made lots of black powder pipe bo.....I mean fireworks when I was a kid and trust me nothing made out of 8 inches of plastic pipe is going to do any damage to railroad tracks. Though this incident is not good for railfans, I doubt we will be blamed for what was probably some kids dumb stunt. Only a small portion of doing damage with explosives involves what explosive you use. A little more of it has to do with how much stuff you use, and a LOT has to do with how you use it. If the pipe bomb was placed correctly it certainly could have damaged the track enough to cause a derailment. If it was just laying next to the rail, not braced against anything, it would have been pretty harmless to the rail (the shrapnel danger to human life is another matter completely). Depends how smart the little punk was that put it there. (My guess is that since his fuse failed to light it, he wasn't a demolition expert, and probably posed little threat to the railroad). Just my [2c], Chris Denver, CO -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply edbenton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Back home on the Chi to KC racetrack 2,011 posts Posted by edbenton on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 5:50 PM When they take down a building with explosives they only use 200-300 pounds to do it. If the bomb was enclosed in the ballast the force of the bomb would have gone up instead of down. Remember the bomb that brought down Pan-Am flight 103 only had 3 onces of c-4 in it. Always at war with those that think OTR trucking is EASY. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 5:53 PM Why do I get the feeling that Railfanning day's are all over for all Railfans? BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:06 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by CopCarSS QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Give me a break. I made lots of black powder pipe bo.....I mean fireworks when I was a kid and trust me nothing made out of 8 inches of plastic pipe is going to do any damage to railroad tracks. Though this incident is not good for railfans, I doubt we will be blamed for what was probably some kids dumb stunt. Only a small portion of doing damage with explosives involves what explosive you use. A little more of it has to do with how much stuff you use, and a LOT has to do with how you use it. If the pipe bomb was placed correctly it certainly could have damaged the track enough to cause a derailment. If it was just laying next to the rail, not braced against anything, it would have been pretty harmless to the rail (the shrapnel danger to human life is another matter completely). Depends how smart the little punk was that put it there. (My guess is that since his fuse failed to light it, he wasn't a demolition expert, and probably posed little threat to the railroad). Just my [2c], Chris Denver, CO We are talking black powder & PLASTIC. Even with schedual 80 PVC at 8" there is no way your going to do any more to the track than leave a residue mark, with or without projectiles being mixed in. Even with steel pipe and gunpowder you would have to try be trying VERY hard to do anything to the track structure. Trust me I've blown up MANY things. And no I have never damaged someone else's property. Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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QUOTE: Originally posted by edbenton coud have done more damage that you think placed right it could have knocked the rail out of alignment and that might derail a train.
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Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:46 PM Probably cause they realize this is blown out of proportion. Like I said I think this was just some kids prank. Reply Hugh Jampton Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Southern Region now, UK 820 posts Posted by Hugh Jampton on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:52 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Here's an article. Wayne County Chief Deputy David Zola said a Norfolk Southern Railroad maintenance crew discovered the device beneath the tracks near Fairfield off Illinois Highway 15 at approximately 12:50 Friday. Zola said the device would have been powerful enough to damage the tracks and derail a train. What does a hick deputy know about what tit takes to derail a train?? Generally a lurker by natureBe AlertThe world needs more lerts.It's the 3rd rail that makes the difference. Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,640 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:05 PM Hugh, Interesting point, but don't be so quick to judge! A lot of police officers around the U.S are ex-military. It seems reasonable to assume that some have had training in explosive devices and understand what it would take to damage a tank or large vehicle. Just a thought! 10-4! "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply MP173 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Valparaiso, In 5,919 posts Posted by MP173 on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:23 PM Hick deputy? what the hell do you mean by that? ed Reply adrianspeeder Member sinceMarch 2002 From: Harrisburg PA / Dover AFB DE 1,482 posts Posted by adrianspeeder on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:30 PM What a bunch of morons. I've made them, but not with bits of metal and not placed to do harm. Well maybe the grill that is no longer with us would disagree, but that was nothing compared to what happened here. I'm glad it ain't on the national news, cuz then it would be blown all out of context, and all of us railfans would be terrorists. Adrianspeeder USAF TSgt C-17 Aircraft Maintenance Flying Crew Chief & Flightline Avionics Craftsman Reply Junctionfan Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: St.Catharines, Ontario 3,770 posts Posted by Junctionfan on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 3:42 PM Depending on how powerful the blast would be and if there were houses or anything that has civilians nearby, more then just railroads could be injured. It also would concern me if small children not trying to act like a punk would be near by and for that matter any other innocent person. Schrapnel could spread in any area within a given radius. Nuts and bolts at any velocity can still put out an eye for example. Andrew Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 3:50 PM Wether it did, or didn't explode, and wether it was powerful enough to derail a train or not, the mere fact that someone took the time to build and place such a device should scare the crap out of all of us... You can imply that if they had the resources, time, and knowledge to build a small one.... I mean, a "little bomb"...is that sorta like a "little" pregnant? You either are, or not.... Big bomb or little bomb dosnt matter, a bomb is a bomb.... Someone has a real problem with NS....former railroader, arrested fan(oh, great) or just a person with a twisted mind,,,,it really dosnt matter. What does matter is it was found, before it did any damage. And, what should matter to all fans is that the police, both local and state, plus the Feds, will be looking even harder at us... So, do yourself a favor, if you go train watching, take a buddy along, be safe, be conspicious and, if and when the cops ask you to move on...do so. Because you cant really blame them for being a little paranoid now! Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply JoeKoh Member sinceApril 2003 From: Defiance Ohio 13,292 posts Posted by JoeKoh on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 4:09 PM read it on the trains newswire.its really sad to see this stuff happening.going to have to be ever more watchful. stay safe Joe Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt eats your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(voted to be called the "Clinton St. can opener"). Reply corwinda Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 389 posts Posted by corwinda on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 5:00 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Hugh Jampton QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Here's an article. Wayne County Chief Deputy David Zola said a Norfolk Southern Railroad maintenance crew discovered the device beneath the tracks near Fairfield off Illinois Highway 15 at approximately 12:50 Friday. Zola said the device would have been powerful enough to damage the tracks and derail a train. What does a hick deputy know about what tit takes to derail a train?? I would presume he said this after watching the bomb detonated. And the hole said detonation left in the field. Reply tatans Member sinceMay 2004 4,115 posts Posted by tatans on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 5:25 PM Are we to interpret this as an act of terrorism against the United States, perpetrated in some rat-hole cave in Afghanistan that sent a team of morons over to Fairfield, Illinois(obviously the center of the American railroad network) to destroy (with a 6 inch length of plastic pipe) the American railroad transportation system??? I think maybe not ! Reply CopCarSS Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Turner Junction 3,076 posts Posted by CopCarSS on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 5:25 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Give me a break. I made lots of black powder pipe bo.....I mean fireworks when I was a kid and trust me nothing made out of 8 inches of plastic pipe is going to do any damage to railroad tracks. Though this incident is not good for railfans, I doubt we will be blamed for what was probably some kids dumb stunt. Only a small portion of doing damage with explosives involves what explosive you use. A little more of it has to do with how much stuff you use, and a LOT has to do with how you use it. If the pipe bomb was placed correctly it certainly could have damaged the track enough to cause a derailment. If it was just laying next to the rail, not braced against anything, it would have been pretty harmless to the rail (the shrapnel danger to human life is another matter completely). Depends how smart the little punk was that put it there. (My guess is that since his fuse failed to light it, he wasn't a demolition expert, and probably posed little threat to the railroad). Just my [2c], Chris Denver, CO -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply edbenton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Back home on the Chi to KC racetrack 2,011 posts Posted by edbenton on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 5:50 PM When they take down a building with explosives they only use 200-300 pounds to do it. If the bomb was enclosed in the ballast the force of the bomb would have gone up instead of down. Remember the bomb that brought down Pan-Am flight 103 only had 3 onces of c-4 in it. Always at war with those that think OTR trucking is EASY. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 5:53 PM Why do I get the feeling that Railfanning day's are all over for all Railfans? BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:06 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by CopCarSS QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Give me a break. I made lots of black powder pipe bo.....I mean fireworks when I was a kid and trust me nothing made out of 8 inches of plastic pipe is going to do any damage to railroad tracks. Though this incident is not good for railfans, I doubt we will be blamed for what was probably some kids dumb stunt. Only a small portion of doing damage with explosives involves what explosive you use. A little more of it has to do with how much stuff you use, and a LOT has to do with how you use it. If the pipe bomb was placed correctly it certainly could have damaged the track enough to cause a derailment. If it was just laying next to the rail, not braced against anything, it would have been pretty harmless to the rail (the shrapnel danger to human life is another matter completely). Depends how smart the little punk was that put it there. (My guess is that since his fuse failed to light it, he wasn't a demolition expert, and probably posed little threat to the railroad). Just my [2c], Chris Denver, CO We are talking black powder & PLASTIC. Even with schedual 80 PVC at 8" there is no way your going to do any more to the track than leave a residue mark, with or without projectiles being mixed in. Even with steel pipe and gunpowder you would have to try be trying VERY hard to do anything to the track structure. Trust me I've blown up MANY things. And no I have never damaged someone else's property. Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. 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QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Here's an article. Wayne County Chief Deputy David Zola said a Norfolk Southern Railroad maintenance crew discovered the device beneath the tracks near Fairfield off Illinois Highway 15 at approximately 12:50 Friday. Zola said the device would have been powerful enough to damage the tracks and derail a train.
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Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt eats your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(voted to be called the "Clinton St. can opener").
QUOTE: Originally posted by Hugh Jampton QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Here's an article. Wayne County Chief Deputy David Zola said a Norfolk Southern Railroad maintenance crew discovered the device beneath the tracks near Fairfield off Illinois Highway 15 at approximately 12:50 Friday. Zola said the device would have been powerful enough to damage the tracks and derail a train. What does a hick deputy know about what tit takes to derail a train??
QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Give me a break. I made lots of black powder pipe bo.....I mean fireworks when I was a kid and trust me nothing made out of 8 inches of plastic pipe is going to do any damage to railroad tracks. Though this incident is not good for railfans, I doubt we will be blamed for what was probably some kids dumb stunt.
-ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams
QUOTE: Originally posted by CopCarSS QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Give me a break. I made lots of black powder pipe bo.....I mean fireworks when I was a kid and trust me nothing made out of 8 inches of plastic pipe is going to do any damage to railroad tracks. Though this incident is not good for railfans, I doubt we will be blamed for what was probably some kids dumb stunt. Only a small portion of doing damage with explosives involves what explosive you use. A little more of it has to do with how much stuff you use, and a LOT has to do with how you use it. If the pipe bomb was placed correctly it certainly could have damaged the track enough to cause a derailment. If it was just laying next to the rail, not braced against anything, it would have been pretty harmless to the rail (the shrapnel danger to human life is another matter completely). Depends how smart the little punk was that put it there. (My guess is that since his fuse failed to light it, he wasn't a demolition expert, and probably posed little threat to the railroad). Just my [2c], Chris Denver, CO
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