QUOTE: Originally posted by erikthered I don't have any problem responding to calls on criminal trespass. People amaze me, however, when they get arrested for it. (It's a misdemeanor, by the way, here in Alabama.) There is a lot of spouting about their Constitutional rights (especially when they are wrong), much inquiry about my badge number, and a lot of other nonsense as I wrap them up, put them in the back of my car, and take them for a five hour stay at the County Hilton. Haven't had anyone sign complaints yet for RR trespass- wish someone would, there are some neat locomotives I want pictures of... but I can hope. People who do criminal things are stupid, retarded, and nearly every intelligence slam I can think of. They have to be... otherwise this pore ol Southern depty would have to out think them, and I am too old to waste the effort to catch the ENRON crooks when there are so many ordinary run of the mill dumkopfs out there for me to choose from. I am reminded of a weekend I spent on private property (a clay quarry) where there were gates, a million "No Trespassing" signs, and it was right next door to a dirt racing track. Over 10,000 people attended the races that weekend... and 14 of them got busted in the quarry for criminal trespass on their four wheelers. One decided to try and escape by attempting to run me over with his four wheeler... and is still in jail, nine months later. The average person does have a survival instinct and a desire to obey the law. Your average idiot criminal does not. (Sometimes he can't read, either, which makes the "No Trespassing" signs moot.) Witness the idiot who, in my county, tried to steal copper wire from a substation. He jumped a concertina'd fence, climbed a tower and used a pair of metal bolt cutters to get his copper wire. Rescue workers had to climb 20 feet to get the body down... Keep calling the cops, Ed. The life you saved might be your own conscience. Erik
QUOTE: Originally posted by DRBusse QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. So lets say I want to Photograph a Locomotive or a piece of Rolling stock,ok? Let's say this could be in C.B.,Iowa. Who must I talk to see if I could get permission to do this? The Train Master? Simple answer. Do it from somewhere OTHER than railroad property and you don't need anyone's permission. Stand at a grade crossing, on the sidewalk, on a public street or in a business parking lot. Just stay off railroad property and you don't need any permission from the railroad, and you'll be much safer anyway.
QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. So lets say I want to Photograph a Locomotive or a piece of Rolling stock,ok? Let's say this could be in C.B.,Iowa. Who must I talk to see if I could get permission to do this? The Train Master?
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QUOTE: Originally posted by gabe Dude, what that heck are you talking about? What lawsuit? I don't know what you are talking about with his right to sue the railroad. As a lawyer, I really don't mind lawyer insults, I get paid to take them. But, to talk about a cheesy lawsuit that hasn't happened? I don't know why you think this guy will want to sue the railroad (or what ground he would have for doing so). If he has any brains, he will not waste his money on a civil attorney and spend it all on a criminal attorney to see to it that he doesn't get an executed jail sentence. The only lawsuit the railroad would really have to worry about is if Ed didn't tell him to go take a hike and he got injured on their property. Gabe Gabe, My sincerest admiration to you for being a right thinking lawyer. I knew there had to be one or two out there! [;)] My comment was kind of directed more at the mentality of the management, and involvement of Risk Management (and I'm sure this doesn't mean risks to the railfan). Ever since the whole McDonald's hot coffee deal, the attitude towards lawsuits has really been messed up. In this situation, I could just see the railfan getting a lawyer, and trying to sue for emotional damage at being arrested, and not getting the shots of the locomotive, plus having this discussed on a public forum. Think that's whack? I would have whole heartedly agreed with you maybe 5-10 years ago. But if someone can spill a cup of hot coffee on themselves and sue McDonald's, then what isn't possible? As I said, I'm glad to know that there's at least one lawyer out there that has his head screwed on straight, and won't sacrifice morals and principal in the name of making a buck. Sadly, I also know that there are plenty of lawyers that wouldn't think twice about taking a goofy case like this if there was a profit to be had. Chris Denver, CO -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:37 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by diecastgalore QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie Diecastgalore! Another Lincolnite! I am so pleased! [:D] [}:)] Mookie! shhhh! you weren't supposed to tell anyone![:)] [censored] oops - sorry - ............................. (whisper) but won't they see it on your postings.........or is that a red herring? [:-,] She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 10:16 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie Diecastgalore! Another Lincolnite! I am so pleased! [:D] [}:)] Mookie! shhhh! you weren't supposed to tell anyone![:)] Reply Edit dharmon Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Bottom Left Corner, USA 3,420 posts Posted by dharmon on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 10:15 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by gabe QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon I say we let this fade to the back pages and go away.......Ed doesn't have a real big butt and it probably needs to heal a bit so he can drive to work still. While I agree this should grace the pages of Trains...it should be at the discretion of his employer.........mean time, we can help to ease any heat on Ed by letting it go. Dan Or we could draw fire by changing the subject to how it is that you know how big Ed's butt is? Gabe According to an Executive Order signed in 1998, you can't ask and I don't have to tell. [:0] Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:14 AM Ed,you are 100% correct in what you did. All I ask that if a railfan wants to come in my yard and take pics, then he/she needs to sign a release for permission and some safety briefing. If not, then I will call our police as well as the locals... Reply Edit jeaton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Rockton, IL 4,821 posts Posted by jeaton on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:01 AM Any railroad employee who has ever been on the ground can speak to the silence of a rolling car. Even with authority to be on the property, I would not be limiting my vision to to the view in the viewfinder unless I had someone watching to alert me to everything else that might be going on. Jay "We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 8:57 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie Diecastgalore! Another Lincolnite! I am so pleased! [:D] Gabe - now you have brought up a subject I could get behind..... [}:)] Cool, my diversion is working . . . Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 8:56 AM FYI, naturally I am joking . . . someone had to say it. Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 8:55 AM Diecastgalore! Another Lincolnite! I am so pleased! [:D] Gabe - now you have brought up a subject I could get behind..... [}:)] She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 8:49 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon I say we let this fade to the back pages and go away.......Ed doesn't have a real big butt and it probably needs to heal a bit so he can drive to work still. While I agree this should grace the pages of Trains...it should be at the discretion of his employer.........mean time, we can help to ease any heat on Ed by letting it go. Dan Or we could draw fire by changing the subject to how it is that you know how big Ed's butt is? Gabe Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 8:48 AM Quite a few years back, around 1990 or so, I was a volunteer fireman/EMT in a small town I won't mention along the then BN mainline. I remember the day well, because I was starting a week of vacation from my regular job, and had decided to sleep in. Around 7:45AM, I heard the California Zephyr blow through town(I lived about 100 yards from the rail line) and I remember looking at teh clock and rolling over to go back to sleep, Just as I began drifting off, my plectron went off, signalling a rescue call. At the end of of the signal, the dispatcher called out: "train versus pedestrian". Since I was awake, I responded to the call, and was surprised to find that only myself and one other firefighter were in town, so it was just the 2 of us, and we responded to the scene which was about 1 mile east of my house. Sure enough, the Amtrak was standing on the mainline as we made our way from the highway to the ROW, and the conductor met us at the Train, his first words were: " you don't even need to go up there, he's dead". As EMS responders, the law requires that we respond anyway, so on I went, and I am not afraid to tell you, it was not pretty. The engineer was standing nearby, clearly upset. He said the man was riding a motorcycle down the middle of the tracks( The highway was closed due to construction, so he obviously decided to take the tracks as a detour, which was a fatal mistake)the engineer said: "I saw him as I came through town, and I blew the whistle, and I know he heard the whistle, because he looked back and then stopped, and he was trying to get the motorcycle off the tracks when I hit him" The sight sickened me, and for years afterward, I felt sick everytime I heard Amtrak come through town. The man's body lay some 300 yards or so from the point of contact, no longer even on the track he was hit on, but on the other track next to it, squarely between the rails. The force of the impact had knocked the man completely out of his clothes, the only clothing remaining on his body was his undershorts, and they were down around his ankles. The man's head no longer resembled anything human, it looked more like a squashed grape. The railcrew had covered the body with a sheet, to spare the passengers from the sight. Our only actions that morning officially, was to check for the ABC's, and then call the county coroner, because as BLS responders, we could not declare the man officially dead. Of all the calls I responded to in my five year career as a volunteer firefighter/EMT, I can still remember this one vividly after almost 20 years. Amtrak's whistles no longer bother me like they did for the 2 or 3 years after the call, but reading this thread sure brought it back. Ed, no question about it, you were absolutely right. I know the speeds were not anything like an Amtrak, but the results of train versus human are always the same. It's ugly for everyone involved, and you are right, everyone loses, not even just the idiot who got himself killed, but everyone involved. Reply Edit gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 8:47 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by CopCarSS QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard ....sad for me because I now am the proud owner of a serious butt chewing by my boss over even mentioning it on a public forum. Now that is just sad. In an instance like this, when the railfan was clearly at fault, all we can worry about is the railfan's right to sue the railroad. Man, I hope someday this country can screw its head back on properly and lose the cheesy lawsuits... Chris Denver, Co Dude, what that heck are you talking about? What lawsuit? I don't know what you are talking about with his right to sue the railroad. As a lawyer, I really don't mind lawyer insults, I get paid to take them. But, to talk about a cheesy lawsuit that hasn't happened? I don't know why you think this guy will want to sue the railroad (or what ground he would have for doing so). If he has any brains, he will not waste his money on a civil attorney and spend it all on a criminal attorney to see to it that he doesn't get an executed jail sentence. The only lawsuit the railroad would really have to worry about is if Ed didn't tell him to go take a hike and he got injured on their property. Gabe Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 8:31 AM So much for asking for Permission anymore I guess. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:47 AM Some people really need a cranial rectosis. It usually helps!! Reply Edit MP57313 Member sinceJune 2001 From: L A County, CA, US 1,009 posts Posted by MP57313 on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 2:09 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Jack_S QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard sad for me because I now am the proud owner of a serious butt chewing by my boss over even mentioning it on a public forum. Ed Ed, I appreciate you posting this. Yeah, the lawyers these days advise zipped lips on this kind of thing. Hopefully there will be no repeats of this incident. MP Reply Jack_S Member sinceDecember 2004 339 posts Posted by Jack_S on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:40 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard sad for me because I now am the proud owner of a serious butt chewing by my boss over even mentioning it on a public forum. Ed Ed, too bad your boss couldn't see the benefit to be gained by mentioning it here. By alerting all of us to the situation we are able to apply some serious peer pressure to the trespasser, thereby reducing the likelihood of a repeat offense. Also, the discussion in your favor has probably imprinted itself on some railfans who have never even thought about this issue. Were I your boss I would say: "Good move. Just don't ever let his name become known through you." Open discussion of such stupidity is the best way to prevent it in the future. And all RR bosses ought to realize that most railfans are on their side of this issue and could be a force to prevent trespassing. For 30 years I worked as a volunteer auto racing official and track worker, and I have seen behavior by race fans that was just as foolish as you describe. Off-road racing fans were the worst, with NASCAR fans a close second. Off-road fans would do things at the track that chilled your blood, and at the Riverside SCORE races there was a fatality almost every race weekend. IN THE GRANDSTANDS!!!! Keep up the good work. Jack Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:33 PM Nice job Ed! Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:09 PM Ed, you did exactly what you should have done, because if he got injured, he would blame you and the railroad (if he lived). Some years ago, at a Conrail yard, I saw a Penn central locomotive that was about to be sent to a scraper (no number boards, all other numbers painted over) , So, I had to take some pictures, but I at least had some common sense!). I went to the yard office, and asked for premission to walk over to it. An employe there heard me talking to the person behind the desk, and offered to take me over to it, Not only did he take me up close to take its picture, I was able to control it as it was connected to a train that was going to stop at the scrap yard. So, not only do I have pictures, I drove the train's last run. I later found out he was the yard master, so it makes me wonder why people do not ask first? [%-)] [|(] Reply Edit emd_SD_60 Member sinceOctober 2004 From: Carbondale, Illinois 169 posts Posted by emd_SD_60 on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:10 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard So, now that you spent the afternoon in jail, and have to post a bond tonight to get out... Was it really worth arguing with me about being in my yard, taking photographs of that locomotive? Have you finally figured out that why I was angry with you was not because I dont like fans, but because you were standing in the center of live yard tracks? Smack dab dead center of track 43, between the rails. Did it ever click with you how much danger you were in? Didnt you understand that we were down in the yard working, not just hanging out on a locomotive? Have you any idea how dumb you were, and how mad it made me when the answer to all my questions about why you were here was "All I want to do is to take some photos" . I politely explained to you why you couldnt be where you were, I even offered to take your camera, and take some photos for you...but you insisted you had the right to drive into private property, park in the middle of our emergency road, and block it with your car (which is why your car was towed) then wander across live tracks that I was switching into, climb around on a flat car that was part of a track we were kicking cars into...because "all I want..." Your "want" in no way supercedes the safety, and well being of my crew. You put yourself in harms way, with total disregard to your safety, and the safety of my guys.... I tried to get you to leave, on your own...but no, "All I want is to take some photos" must, in your mind, justify you breaking the law, and getting yourself killed. You refused to listen to me when I explained what we were doing, and what was happening in those tracks... Didnt the railcars crashing into each other give you any clue as to how dangerous a place it is? I really dont care if you saw that locomotive in California years ago, nor do I care that you feel it is safe to stand in the middle of live tracks "because I have been around a lot of trains before".... You were in my yard, in my tracks, jacking with my crews lives and livelyhood, and doing your best to get coupled up.... When you go to court, remember, I asked you to leave, I even offered to take some photos for you, with your camera, so you would leave on your own, gave you every chance I could to understand that railyards are dangerous, even for those of us who work in them...and you couldn't see beyond your "want". Because of narrow minded, selfish people like you, all the legitimate fans, those who play by the rules and the law, will suffer... Why was it so hard for you to understand that what you were doing was dangerous, illegal and just plain dumb? Or, did you know that, and just didnt care, or allowed your "want" for photographs to overule your common sense? Do you even have any common sense? I doubt it, everyone I know is smart enough to not stand in the center of tracks, and certainly not argue with the guys working there that you have the right ot be there because you "want to, and the Constitution says I can" Wrong, the Constitution says nothing about your wants, but it does say you cant tresspass on private property. It does say you can take all the photos you "want" to, from public property... but not in the middle of my yard, in tracks I am kicking cars into. So, I hope the afternoon in jail, and the fine the judge will enforce on, along with the probation you will have to serve, because I plan on asking for that, will wake you up to how close you came to being killed. I have enough problems with the jackasses at grade crossings trying to get killed, I really dont need them to sneak into the yard, and do it where I have to walk every day. We took your "mug" shot for a reason, and have passed it around to the rest of the crews, so if I, or any of my crew, ever find you with one foot on PTRA property, we will have you arrested for tresspassing, again...and the fine will be even bigger. And yes, I am sure you have realized by now that they are police officers, not security guards, and now that you have seen the inside of the Harris County Jail, remember, you brough it upon yourself. You refused to listen to me when I explained what we were doing, and what was going to happend. It is not because we dont like you, but because even though you dont seem to care if you get yourself killed by our train, we do! And trust me, your lucky the gumshoe got to you before my engineer did...he was going to stuff you in the trunk of your car, and have it towed to a storage lot... I will personally ask the judge to give you jail time, if you ever show up again. And yes, I am a little sorry about the thread I started on that locomotive...yup, thats me, Ed Blysard...the guy who almost killed you by accident today. Do not ever, ever let me catch you in my yard again. I know who you are...and now you know who I am. I am pretty sure I know what name you use on the forum, both this one and the one about models... Do not tempt fate again. Ed I applaud you there! If you should ever catch him in the yard again, well in this case some bottle rockets (or firecrackers) will come in handy![}:)] My pics @ emd_sd_60.rrpicturearchives.net! Reply 1234 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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Dude, what that heck are you talking about? What lawsuit? I don't know what you are talking about with his right to sue the railroad. As a lawyer, I really don't mind lawyer insults, I get paid to take them. But, to talk about a cheesy lawsuit that hasn't happened? I don't know why you think this guy will want to sue the railroad (or what ground he would have for doing so). If he has any brains, he will not waste his money on a civil attorney and spend it all on a criminal attorney to see to it that he doesn't get an executed jail sentence. The only lawsuit the railroad would really have to worry about is if Ed didn't tell him to go take a hike and he got injured on their property. Gabe
-ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams
QUOTE: Originally posted by diecastgalore QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie Diecastgalore! Another Lincolnite! I am so pleased! [:D] [}:)] Mookie! shhhh! you weren't supposed to tell anyone![:)]
QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie Diecastgalore! Another Lincolnite! I am so pleased! [:D] [}:)]
She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw
QUOTE: Originally posted by gabe QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon I say we let this fade to the back pages and go away.......Ed doesn't have a real big butt and it probably needs to heal a bit so he can drive to work still. While I agree this should grace the pages of Trains...it should be at the discretion of his employer.........mean time, we can help to ease any heat on Ed by letting it go. Dan Or we could draw fire by changing the subject to how it is that you know how big Ed's butt is? Gabe
QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon I say we let this fade to the back pages and go away.......Ed doesn't have a real big butt and it probably needs to heal a bit so he can drive to work still. While I agree this should grace the pages of Trains...it should be at the discretion of his employer.........mean time, we can help to ease any heat on Ed by letting it go. Dan
"We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics
QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie Diecastgalore! Another Lincolnite! I am so pleased! [:D] Gabe - now you have brought up a subject I could get behind..... [}:)]
QUOTE: Originally posted by CopCarSS QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard ....sad for me because I now am the proud owner of a serious butt chewing by my boss over even mentioning it on a public forum. Now that is just sad. In an instance like this, when the railfan was clearly at fault, all we can worry about is the railfan's right to sue the railroad. Man, I hope someday this country can screw its head back on properly and lose the cheesy lawsuits... Chris Denver, Co
QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard ....sad for me because I now am the proud owner of a serious butt chewing by my boss over even mentioning it on a public forum.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Jack_S QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard sad for me because I now am the proud owner of a serious butt chewing by my boss over even mentioning it on a public forum. Ed
QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard sad for me because I now am the proud owner of a serious butt chewing by my boss over even mentioning it on a public forum. Ed
QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard So, now that you spent the afternoon in jail, and have to post a bond tonight to get out... Was it really worth arguing with me about being in my yard, taking photographs of that locomotive? Have you finally figured out that why I was angry with you was not because I dont like fans, but because you were standing in the center of live yard tracks? Smack dab dead center of track 43, between the rails. Did it ever click with you how much danger you were in? Didnt you understand that we were down in the yard working, not just hanging out on a locomotive? Have you any idea how dumb you were, and how mad it made me when the answer to all my questions about why you were here was "All I want to do is to take some photos" . I politely explained to you why you couldnt be where you were, I even offered to take your camera, and take some photos for you...but you insisted you had the right to drive into private property, park in the middle of our emergency road, and block it with your car (which is why your car was towed) then wander across live tracks that I was switching into, climb around on a flat car that was part of a track we were kicking cars into...because "all I want..." Your "want" in no way supercedes the safety, and well being of my crew. You put yourself in harms way, with total disregard to your safety, and the safety of my guys.... I tried to get you to leave, on your own...but no, "All I want is to take some photos" must, in your mind, justify you breaking the law, and getting yourself killed. You refused to listen to me when I explained what we were doing, and what was happening in those tracks... Didnt the railcars crashing into each other give you any clue as to how dangerous a place it is? I really dont care if you saw that locomotive in California years ago, nor do I care that you feel it is safe to stand in the middle of live tracks "because I have been around a lot of trains before".... You were in my yard, in my tracks, jacking with my crews lives and livelyhood, and doing your best to get coupled up.... When you go to court, remember, I asked you to leave, I even offered to take some photos for you, with your camera, so you would leave on your own, gave you every chance I could to understand that railyards are dangerous, even for those of us who work in them...and you couldn't see beyond your "want". Because of narrow minded, selfish people like you, all the legitimate fans, those who play by the rules and the law, will suffer... Why was it so hard for you to understand that what you were doing was dangerous, illegal and just plain dumb? Or, did you know that, and just didnt care, or allowed your "want" for photographs to overule your common sense? Do you even have any common sense? I doubt it, everyone I know is smart enough to not stand in the center of tracks, and certainly not argue with the guys working there that you have the right ot be there because you "want to, and the Constitution says I can" Wrong, the Constitution says nothing about your wants, but it does say you cant tresspass on private property. It does say you can take all the photos you "want" to, from public property... but not in the middle of my yard, in tracks I am kicking cars into. So, I hope the afternoon in jail, and the fine the judge will enforce on, along with the probation you will have to serve, because I plan on asking for that, will wake you up to how close you came to being killed. I have enough problems with the jackasses at grade crossings trying to get killed, I really dont need them to sneak into the yard, and do it where I have to walk every day. We took your "mug" shot for a reason, and have passed it around to the rest of the crews, so if I, or any of my crew, ever find you with one foot on PTRA property, we will have you arrested for tresspassing, again...and the fine will be even bigger. And yes, I am sure you have realized by now that they are police officers, not security guards, and now that you have seen the inside of the Harris County Jail, remember, you brough it upon yourself. You refused to listen to me when I explained what we were doing, and what was going to happend. It is not because we dont like you, but because even though you dont seem to care if you get yourself killed by our train, we do! And trust me, your lucky the gumshoe got to you before my engineer did...he was going to stuff you in the trunk of your car, and have it towed to a storage lot... I will personally ask the judge to give you jail time, if you ever show up again. And yes, I am a little sorry about the thread I started on that locomotive...yup, thats me, Ed Blysard...the guy who almost killed you by accident today. Do not ever, ever let me catch you in my yard again. I know who you are...and now you know who I am. I am pretty sure I know what name you use on the forum, both this one and the one about models... Do not tempt fate again. Ed
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