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QUOTE: Originally posted by tpatrick That reminds me of a few years ago (or decades, maybe?) when a trespasser, fishing under an Amtrak bridge, was bombed by a passing train. You might say he got his just desserts. But, this being America, the offended trespasser sued. Does anyone out there remember the outcome of the suit? I think Amtrak lost, but I'm not sure.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Randy Stahl The North Shore line had the same instructions for running on the Chicago elevated. My concern would be less for the person getting natures call than the poor hapless pedestrian below. I can relate... felt like I've been crapped on from above now and again. Randy
Originally posted by NJMike Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply 88gta350 Member sinceNovember 2002 From: US 592 posts Posted by 88gta350 on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:46 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by tpatrick That reminds me of a few years ago (or decades, maybe?) when a trespasser, fishing under an Amtrak bridge, was bombed by a passing train. You might say he got his just desserts. But, this being America, the offended trespasser sued. Does anyone out there remember the outcome of the suit? I think Amtrak lost, but I'm not sure. I had heard, but I'm not sure, that this suit was the reason Amtrak finally got toilet that didn't flush straight onto the tracks. Again, only what I've heard. Dave M Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:58 AM They allow you to use the facilities even with the seat belt seat is on! [:o)][:o)][:o)] Originally posted by daveklepper Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply zardoz Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Kenosha, WI 6,567 posts Posted by zardoz on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:43 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by daveklepper When one is riding a subway or elevated train or city bus one does not have the privilege of using an onboard "facility". What about a person who rushes to catch a plane at an airport, just makes it through security, boards the plane, there is turbulance, and for the whole four hour trip the seat belt fastened sign stayes on? My experience is that airlines vary in the compassion they will give a deperate passenger in this condition. Hurray for retention toilets (when they work) Hurray for Amtrak, espeically when it works! True I could not use the crapper on the Electroliner on the "L" structure, but the Electroburgers shure tasted great (before my Kosher and Vegetarian days). I always planned on eating on the train when I could when I rode the North Shore. Dave, did you ever get to enjoy the incredible taste of the Horlick's Malted Milk tablets they used to sell in the North Shore depot? They were SOOO good! Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,635 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:59 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by tpatrick That reminds me of a few years ago (or decades, maybe?) when a trespasser, fishing under an Amtrak bridge, was bombed by a passing train. You might say he got his just desserts. But, this being America, the offended trespasser sued. Does anyone out there remember the outcome of the suit? I think Amtrak lost, but I'm not sure. This sounds "vaguley" familiar. Please correct me if Im wrong. There was an incident here in Florida where Amtrak Silver service trains would "flush" as they crossed a bridge over the St. John's River. It then became a very big issue. This, unfortunately, was one of the factors that led to the retirement of most of the Heritage Fleet Budd Cars as they had the old style toilet system. It was deemed impractical to replace toilet systems in 40 year old cars. Ironic that many Heritage Fleet cars were actually in better shape than the Amfleet II coaches. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply dmoore74 Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: MA 562 posts Posted by dmoore74 on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:13 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by NJMike I was looking at a section of a Penn Central time table and it said this, "1154-A12. (Allgy. & Pgh. Div.). Passenger trainmen, and attendant must keep the doors of the toilet rooms in passenger equipment locked at Altoona, and between Wilkinsburg and Pittsburg." From the Penn Central Central Region Timetable #1. In effect 4:01 A.M., Sunday April 28, 1968. My question is why do they have to lock the bathrooms? What happens if one of the passengers get a call from "Mother Nature"????[:0] It might also have been that the train was going through a watershed for a public drinking water supply. IIRC this happened on the Northern Pacific when they passed through the City of Tacoma watershed. Little signs were hung on the restroom doors thanking passengers for their cooperation. Reply MP57313 Member sinceJune 2001 From: L A County, CA, US 1,009 posts Posted by MP57313 on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 2:17 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by 88gta350 QUOTE: Originally posted by tpatrick That reminds me of a few years ago (or decades, maybe?) when a trespasser, fishing under an Amtrak bridge, was bombed by a passing train. I had heard, but I'm not sure, that this suit was the reason Amtrak finally got toilet that didn't flush straight onto the tracks. Again, only what I've heard. I don't know that he was a trespasser. Maybe he was fishing for crappie? [xx(][xx(][xx(] Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:41 AM I found this on page 74 of the May 2005 Trains magazine Q: For years, passenger-car toilets emptied directly onto the tracks albeit, not in stations. the EPA or another group ordered the use of holding tanks . Can you supply specifics? JHW Oxford OH Trains reply: "Straight dump" to the tracks was the rule through the early 1970s until Amtrak's first Amfleet cars arrived in 1975-76 with full-retention toilets. One exception was in Washington state, where in the mountains on Burlington Northern, signs were posted in cars asking for no dumping in the Tacoma city watershed area. The first Amtrak Superliners, built in 1979-80, had sanitary systems that turned sold waste into liquid and sprayed it on the ROW once the train reached a certain speed. Trackworkers on BN made a public protest case out of this practice, but it was no until 1992 that a actual ban of straight-dump toliets occurred, and then it was delayed until 1996 and later grandfathered to 2002 when Amtrak returned Heritage sleepers to the Three Rivers train. This was a result of an incident in Florida in the 1980s when fisherman under a bridge got nailed from a passing train and complained to their congressman. Ralph Nader also took up the fight. After Amtrak's Superliner 2 cars were delivered in 1993, the Superliner 1 cars were retrofitted with complete retention systems [:o)][:D] Signed Bob Johnson. Originally posted by NJMike [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:38 PM Here's something I forgot about when I first posted. The following is a blurb from the May 2004 issue of The Railway Magazine: "A train passenger on his way to buy a car in Holland unwittingly flushed £7500 in notes down the train's loo and onto the track! He alerted the guard and the next train was stopped to search for the money. Only £2700 was found, the rest having blown away." There's a lot to be said about the guy who did this, but I'll let you draw your own conclusions. Reply Edit Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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Originally posted by daveklepper Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply zardoz Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Kenosha, WI 6,567 posts Posted by zardoz on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:43 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by daveklepper When one is riding a subway or elevated train or city bus one does not have the privilege of using an onboard "facility". What about a person who rushes to catch a plane at an airport, just makes it through security, boards the plane, there is turbulance, and for the whole four hour trip the seat belt fastened sign stayes on? My experience is that airlines vary in the compassion they will give a deperate passenger in this condition. Hurray for retention toilets (when they work) Hurray for Amtrak, espeically when it works! True I could not use the crapper on the Electroliner on the "L" structure, but the Electroburgers shure tasted great (before my Kosher and Vegetarian days). I always planned on eating on the train when I could when I rode the North Shore. Dave, did you ever get to enjoy the incredible taste of the Horlick's Malted Milk tablets they used to sell in the North Shore depot? They were SOOO good! Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,635 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:59 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by tpatrick That reminds me of a few years ago (or decades, maybe?) when a trespasser, fishing under an Amtrak bridge, was bombed by a passing train. You might say he got his just desserts. But, this being America, the offended trespasser sued. Does anyone out there remember the outcome of the suit? I think Amtrak lost, but I'm not sure. This sounds "vaguley" familiar. Please correct me if Im wrong. There was an incident here in Florida where Amtrak Silver service trains would "flush" as they crossed a bridge over the St. John's River. It then became a very big issue. This, unfortunately, was one of the factors that led to the retirement of most of the Heritage Fleet Budd Cars as they had the old style toilet system. It was deemed impractical to replace toilet systems in 40 year old cars. Ironic that many Heritage Fleet cars were actually in better shape than the Amfleet II coaches. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply dmoore74 Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: MA 562 posts Posted by dmoore74 on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:13 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by NJMike I was looking at a section of a Penn Central time table and it said this, "1154-A12. (Allgy. & Pgh. Div.). Passenger trainmen, and attendant must keep the doors of the toilet rooms in passenger equipment locked at Altoona, and between Wilkinsburg and Pittsburg." From the Penn Central Central Region Timetable #1. In effect 4:01 A.M., Sunday April 28, 1968. My question is why do they have to lock the bathrooms? What happens if one of the passengers get a call from "Mother Nature"????[:0] It might also have been that the train was going through a watershed for a public drinking water supply. IIRC this happened on the Northern Pacific when they passed through the City of Tacoma watershed. Little signs were hung on the restroom doors thanking passengers for their cooperation. Reply MP57313 Member sinceJune 2001 From: L A County, CA, US 1,009 posts Posted by MP57313 on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 2:17 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by 88gta350 QUOTE: Originally posted by tpatrick That reminds me of a few years ago (or decades, maybe?) when a trespasser, fishing under an Amtrak bridge, was bombed by a passing train. I had heard, but I'm not sure, that this suit was the reason Amtrak finally got toilet that didn't flush straight onto the tracks. Again, only what I've heard. I don't know that he was a trespasser. Maybe he was fishing for crappie? [xx(][xx(][xx(] Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:41 AM I found this on page 74 of the May 2005 Trains magazine Q: For years, passenger-car toilets emptied directly onto the tracks albeit, not in stations. the EPA or another group ordered the use of holding tanks . Can you supply specifics? JHW Oxford OH Trains reply: "Straight dump" to the tracks was the rule through the early 1970s until Amtrak's first Amfleet cars arrived in 1975-76 with full-retention toilets. One exception was in Washington state, where in the mountains on Burlington Northern, signs were posted in cars asking for no dumping in the Tacoma city watershed area. The first Amtrak Superliners, built in 1979-80, had sanitary systems that turned sold waste into liquid and sprayed it on the ROW once the train reached a certain speed. Trackworkers on BN made a public protest case out of this practice, but it was no until 1992 that a actual ban of straight-dump toliets occurred, and then it was delayed until 1996 and later grandfathered to 2002 when Amtrak returned Heritage sleepers to the Three Rivers train. This was a result of an incident in Florida in the 1980s when fisherman under a bridge got nailed from a passing train and complained to their congressman. Ralph Nader also took up the fight. After Amtrak's Superliner 2 cars were delivered in 1993, the Superliner 1 cars were retrofitted with complete retention systems [:o)][:D] Signed Bob Johnson. Originally posted by NJMike [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:38 PM Here's something I forgot about when I first posted. The following is a blurb from the May 2004 issue of The Railway Magazine: "A train passenger on his way to buy a car in Holland unwittingly flushed £7500 in notes down the train's loo and onto the track! He alerted the guard and the next train was stopped to search for the money. Only £2700 was found, the rest having blown away." There's a lot to be said about the guy who did this, but I'll let you draw your own conclusions. Reply Edit Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by daveklepper When one is riding a subway or elevated train or city bus one does not have the privilege of using an onboard "facility". What about a person who rushes to catch a plane at an airport, just makes it through security, boards the plane, there is turbulance, and for the whole four hour trip the seat belt fastened sign stayes on? My experience is that airlines vary in the compassion they will give a deperate passenger in this condition. Hurray for retention toilets (when they work) Hurray for Amtrak, espeically when it works! True I could not use the crapper on the Electroliner on the "L" structure, but the Electroburgers shure tasted great (before my Kosher and Vegetarian days). I always planned on eating on the train when I could when I rode the North Shore.
"I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!"
QUOTE: Originally posted by NJMike I was looking at a section of a Penn Central time table and it said this, "1154-A12. (Allgy. & Pgh. Div.). Passenger trainmen, and attendant must keep the doors of the toilet rooms in passenger equipment locked at Altoona, and between Wilkinsburg and Pittsburg." From the Penn Central Central Region Timetable #1. In effect 4:01 A.M., Sunday April 28, 1968. My question is why do they have to lock the bathrooms? What happens if one of the passengers get a call from "Mother Nature"????[:0]
QUOTE: Originally posted by 88gta350 QUOTE: Originally posted by tpatrick That reminds me of a few years ago (or decades, maybe?) when a trespasser, fishing under an Amtrak bridge, was bombed by a passing train. I had heard, but I'm not sure, that this suit was the reason Amtrak finally got toilet that didn't flush straight onto the tracks. Again, only what I've heard.
QUOTE: Originally posted by tpatrick That reminds me of a few years ago (or decades, maybe?) when a trespasser, fishing under an Amtrak bridge, was bombed by a passing train.
Originally posted by NJMike [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:38 PM Here's something I forgot about when I first posted. The following is a blurb from the May 2004 issue of The Railway Magazine: "A train passenger on his way to buy a car in Holland unwittingly flushed £7500 in notes down the train's loo and onto the track! He alerted the guard and the next train was stopped to search for the money. Only £2700 was found, the rest having blown away." There's a lot to be said about the guy who did this, but I'll let you draw your own conclusions. Reply Edit Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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