Originally posted by gabe Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, April 8, 2005 12:23 PM It was the Missouri-Illinois, and was (AFAIK) so much a part of the MoPac that its operations (and diesel roster) were indistinguishable. I show Kinmundy as being on the C&EI, not MI. But even if they somehow did get up that way, the SPV atlas shows some portions of the MI line (such as through Centralia) as being abandined while it was still MI, so the answer to your question would have to be no. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Friday, April 8, 2005 12:41 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I have the offical RR Guide from 1979 & there is no mention of this RR. Maybe it has another name? [:D][:p] Originally posted by gabe See above post (railroad absorbed into MoPac 1978). Gabe Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 12:46 PM Nope sorry no listing under Missouri-Illinois or under the Mopac for 79 in the book. [:p][:)][8D] QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR It was the Missouri-Illinois, and was (AFAIK) so much a part of the MoPac that its operations (and diesel roster) were indistinguishable. I show Kinmundy as being on the C&EI, not MI. But even if they somehow did get up that way, the SPV atlas shows some portions of the MI line (such as through Centralia) as being abandined while it was still MI, so the answer to your question would have to be no. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 12:48 PM Pls see my reply to Cshave concerning the Mopac[:o)][:p] Originally posted by gabe Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 12:52 PM I also looked in the Offical RR Guide for 82 & nothing there also under either Mopac or Missouri-Illinois. [:o)][:p][:)][:D] Originally posted by gabe Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:01 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I also looked in the Offical RR Guide for 82 & nothing there also under either Mopac or Missouri-Illinois. [:o)][:p][:)][:D] Originally posted by gabe Originally posted by spbed [banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead] Absorbed 1978 = not in existience now, 1982, 1979, 2112 etc. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:09 PM OK if I find 78 or earlier I will dial it up again. [:p][:)][8D] Originally posted by gabe Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,790 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:26 PM In 1928 Missouri - Illinois RR was held as a seprate operating company under ICC Valuation Docket #1185, Missouri & Illinois Bridge & Belt RR was Valuation Docket #575 and MoPac proper was #1006...for Tax and Charter reasons in Illinois, they could not be merged/borged. Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:41 PM Thanks Mudchicken. I am surprised I know so little about this railroad. I grew up only about 100 miles away from it. It is like finding a tree in your backyard that you never knew was there. Gabe Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,790 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 2:01 PM I would imagine that very little, if anything was stencilled Missouri-Illinois and it was a paper shell in the post depression world. Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply MP173 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Valparaiso, In 5,918 posts Posted by MP173 on Friday, April 8, 2005 2:56 PM Gabe: You were born a generation too late! I actually have a picture of the Missouri-Illinois taken in Centralia, Illinois back in around March, 1975. If I remember correctly, basketball season had just ended at OCC and I drove to Centralia. My camera was a 110 Instamatic and the shot isnt too bad...features a lashup of three MoPac Geeps. The one in front is #233. Something in the back of my mind tells me it was a GP18, but I could be wrong. My 1953 Official Guide has 1 and half page spread on the M-I. Most of the officers of the company were also officers of MoPac. The did have a VP - F.A. Schwab in Bonne Terre, Mo....no doubt the General Manager of the operations. The mainline ran from Salem, Il to Kellogg, Il. I do not believe there was a bridge at Kellogg across the Mississippi. The OG shows a local passenger train running from Salem (dp 8:50am) and terminating in Flinton, Il at 11:57am. It then returned, leaving Flinton at 102pm, arriving in Salem at 415pm. These were trains #1 and #2. The Official Guide also shows: Train 91 Local Fht. leaving Salem at 730am Train 63 Red Ball Fht leaving Salem at 200pm Arrivals are: Train 62 Red Ball fht at Salem at 1100am Train 90 Local Fth at Salem at 115pm Other branches included Bonne Terre to Leadwood, Missouri; Sparta, Il to Shaw's Mine; Thomure, Mo. to Bismark, Mo (the extention of the Salem mainline in Missouri) and Riverside, Mo to Derby Jct. Mo. Notes indicate that traffic from Kellogg to Thomure are by "Car Ferry". Also service to Shaw's Mine is "temporarily discontinued." If the 1953 Official Guide is accurate, the M-I was a mighty busy railroad during the day at Salem, Il...a passenger, Red Ball, and local freight in each direction between 730am and 415pm. Anyone interested in a time travel trip back to Salem in 1953 to see the M-I, Chicago and Eastern Illinois plus the Baltimore and Ohio? Gabe, if you are wanting photocopies of the listing for MI, email me with a fax # ed Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Friday, April 8, 2005 3:41 PM Ed, Actually, I am more interested in your time travel proposal. I am sure we could get some others on here to go along with it and chip in for the price . . . sorry, I was having a Trainfinder22 moment. Thanks for all the info on the M-I. Very interesting. You aren't kidding when you say I was born a generation too late. My only fax machine belongs to the State of Indiana, something tells me that they would know it was me if a picture of trains came through over it. Thanks for the offer, but I better not misuse the taxpayer's funds. Thanks again for the info, very interesting. Gabe Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Saturday, April 9, 2005 10:21 AM You could, until the 1978 merger date, find quite a bit of freight equipment of all types with MI reporting marks. Number series were coordinated with MP, so it was a simple matter to reletter them later. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 9, 2005 12:01 PM If you go to www.rr-fallenflags.org there is a couple pictures of MI steam but you can't see any markings. John[8D][:o)] Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 9, 2005 1:58 PM found 2 old b&w pics www.rr-fallenflags.org under misc m's[8D] wish i could help more Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, April 10, 2005 8:09 AM Gabe this is directly out of the May 2005 Trains Magazine page 54 "Missouri-Illinois, popularly the "Mike & Ike" was 172 mile pike acquired by MoPac in 1933. It operated in both states but crossed the Mississippi River on a ferry (never a bridge)".[:o)][:D][:)][:p] Originally posted by gabe [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I have the offical RR Guide from 1979 & there is no mention of this RR. Maybe it has another name? [:D][:p] Originally posted by gabe See above post (railroad absorbed into MoPac 1978). Gabe Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 12:46 PM Nope sorry no listing under Missouri-Illinois or under the Mopac for 79 in the book. [:p][:)][8D] QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR It was the Missouri-Illinois, and was (AFAIK) so much a part of the MoPac that its operations (and diesel roster) were indistinguishable. I show Kinmundy as being on the C&EI, not MI. But even if they somehow did get up that way, the SPV atlas shows some portions of the MI line (such as through Centralia) as being abandined while it was still MI, so the answer to your question would have to be no. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 12:48 PM Pls see my reply to Cshave concerning the Mopac[:o)][:p] Originally posted by gabe Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 12:52 PM I also looked in the Offical RR Guide for 82 & nothing there also under either Mopac or Missouri-Illinois. [:o)][:p][:)][:D] Originally posted by gabe Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:01 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I also looked in the Offical RR Guide for 82 & nothing there also under either Mopac or Missouri-Illinois. [:o)][:p][:)][:D] Originally posted by gabe Originally posted by spbed [banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead] Absorbed 1978 = not in existience now, 1982, 1979, 2112 etc. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:09 PM OK if I find 78 or earlier I will dial it up again. [:p][:)][8D] Originally posted by gabe Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,790 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:26 PM In 1928 Missouri - Illinois RR was held as a seprate operating company under ICC Valuation Docket #1185, Missouri & Illinois Bridge & Belt RR was Valuation Docket #575 and MoPac proper was #1006...for Tax and Charter reasons in Illinois, they could not be merged/borged. Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:41 PM Thanks Mudchicken. I am surprised I know so little about this railroad. I grew up only about 100 miles away from it. It is like finding a tree in your backyard that you never knew was there. Gabe Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,790 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 2:01 PM I would imagine that very little, if anything was stencilled Missouri-Illinois and it was a paper shell in the post depression world. Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply MP173 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Valparaiso, In 5,918 posts Posted by MP173 on Friday, April 8, 2005 2:56 PM Gabe: You were born a generation too late! I actually have a picture of the Missouri-Illinois taken in Centralia, Illinois back in around March, 1975. If I remember correctly, basketball season had just ended at OCC and I drove to Centralia. My camera was a 110 Instamatic and the shot isnt too bad...features a lashup of three MoPac Geeps. The one in front is #233. Something in the back of my mind tells me it was a GP18, but I could be wrong. My 1953 Official Guide has 1 and half page spread on the M-I. Most of the officers of the company were also officers of MoPac. The did have a VP - F.A. Schwab in Bonne Terre, Mo....no doubt the General Manager of the operations. The mainline ran from Salem, Il to Kellogg, Il. I do not believe there was a bridge at Kellogg across the Mississippi. The OG shows a local passenger train running from Salem (dp 8:50am) and terminating in Flinton, Il at 11:57am. It then returned, leaving Flinton at 102pm, arriving in Salem at 415pm. These were trains #1 and #2. The Official Guide also shows: Train 91 Local Fht. leaving Salem at 730am Train 63 Red Ball Fht leaving Salem at 200pm Arrivals are: Train 62 Red Ball fht at Salem at 1100am Train 90 Local Fth at Salem at 115pm Other branches included Bonne Terre to Leadwood, Missouri; Sparta, Il to Shaw's Mine; Thomure, Mo. to Bismark, Mo (the extention of the Salem mainline in Missouri) and Riverside, Mo to Derby Jct. Mo. Notes indicate that traffic from Kellogg to Thomure are by "Car Ferry". Also service to Shaw's Mine is "temporarily discontinued." If the 1953 Official Guide is accurate, the M-I was a mighty busy railroad during the day at Salem, Il...a passenger, Red Ball, and local freight in each direction between 730am and 415pm. Anyone interested in a time travel trip back to Salem in 1953 to see the M-I, Chicago and Eastern Illinois plus the Baltimore and Ohio? Gabe, if you are wanting photocopies of the listing for MI, email me with a fax # ed Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Friday, April 8, 2005 3:41 PM Ed, Actually, I am more interested in your time travel proposal. I am sure we could get some others on here to go along with it and chip in for the price . . . sorry, I was having a Trainfinder22 moment. Thanks for all the info on the M-I. Very interesting. You aren't kidding when you say I was born a generation too late. My only fax machine belongs to the State of Indiana, something tells me that they would know it was me if a picture of trains came through over it. Thanks for the offer, but I better not misuse the taxpayer's funds. Thanks again for the info, very interesting. Gabe Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Saturday, April 9, 2005 10:21 AM You could, until the 1978 merger date, find quite a bit of freight equipment of all types with MI reporting marks. Number series were coordinated with MP, so it was a simple matter to reletter them later. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 9, 2005 12:01 PM If you go to www.rr-fallenflags.org there is a couple pictures of MI steam but you can't see any markings. John[8D][:o)] Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 9, 2005 1:58 PM found 2 old b&w pics www.rr-fallenflags.org under misc m's[8D] wish i could help more Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, April 10, 2005 8:09 AM Gabe this is directly out of the May 2005 Trains Magazine page 54 "Missouri-Illinois, popularly the "Mike & Ike" was 172 mile pike acquired by MoPac in 1933. It operated in both states but crossed the Mississippi River on a ferry (never a bridge)".[:o)][:D][:)][:p] Originally posted by gabe [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR It was the Missouri-Illinois, and was (AFAIK) so much a part of the MoPac that its operations (and diesel roster) were indistinguishable. I show Kinmundy as being on the C&EI, not MI. But even if they somehow did get up that way, the SPV atlas shows some portions of the MI line (such as through Centralia) as being abandined while it was still MI, so the answer to your question would have to be no.
Originally posted by gabe Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 12:52 PM I also looked in the Offical RR Guide for 82 & nothing there also under either Mopac or Missouri-Illinois. [:o)][:p][:)][:D] Originally posted by gabe Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:01 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I also looked in the Offical RR Guide for 82 & nothing there also under either Mopac or Missouri-Illinois. [:o)][:p][:)][:D] Originally posted by gabe Originally posted by spbed [banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead] Absorbed 1978 = not in existience now, 1982, 1979, 2112 etc. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:09 PM OK if I find 78 or earlier I will dial it up again. [:p][:)][8D] Originally posted by gabe Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,790 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:26 PM In 1928 Missouri - Illinois RR was held as a seprate operating company under ICC Valuation Docket #1185, Missouri & Illinois Bridge & Belt RR was Valuation Docket #575 and MoPac proper was #1006...for Tax and Charter reasons in Illinois, they could not be merged/borged. Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:41 PM Thanks Mudchicken. I am surprised I know so little about this railroad. I grew up only about 100 miles away from it. It is like finding a tree in your backyard that you never knew was there. Gabe Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,790 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 2:01 PM I would imagine that very little, if anything was stencilled Missouri-Illinois and it was a paper shell in the post depression world. Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply MP173 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Valparaiso, In 5,918 posts Posted by MP173 on Friday, April 8, 2005 2:56 PM Gabe: You were born a generation too late! I actually have a picture of the Missouri-Illinois taken in Centralia, Illinois back in around March, 1975. If I remember correctly, basketball season had just ended at OCC and I drove to Centralia. My camera was a 110 Instamatic and the shot isnt too bad...features a lashup of three MoPac Geeps. The one in front is #233. Something in the back of my mind tells me it was a GP18, but I could be wrong. My 1953 Official Guide has 1 and half page spread on the M-I. Most of the officers of the company were also officers of MoPac. The did have a VP - F.A. Schwab in Bonne Terre, Mo....no doubt the General Manager of the operations. The mainline ran from Salem, Il to Kellogg, Il. I do not believe there was a bridge at Kellogg across the Mississippi. The OG shows a local passenger train running from Salem (dp 8:50am) and terminating in Flinton, Il at 11:57am. It then returned, leaving Flinton at 102pm, arriving in Salem at 415pm. These were trains #1 and #2. The Official Guide also shows: Train 91 Local Fht. leaving Salem at 730am Train 63 Red Ball Fht leaving Salem at 200pm Arrivals are: Train 62 Red Ball fht at Salem at 1100am Train 90 Local Fth at Salem at 115pm Other branches included Bonne Terre to Leadwood, Missouri; Sparta, Il to Shaw's Mine; Thomure, Mo. to Bismark, Mo (the extention of the Salem mainline in Missouri) and Riverside, Mo to Derby Jct. Mo. Notes indicate that traffic from Kellogg to Thomure are by "Car Ferry". Also service to Shaw's Mine is "temporarily discontinued." If the 1953 Official Guide is accurate, the M-I was a mighty busy railroad during the day at Salem, Il...a passenger, Red Ball, and local freight in each direction between 730am and 415pm. Anyone interested in a time travel trip back to Salem in 1953 to see the M-I, Chicago and Eastern Illinois plus the Baltimore and Ohio? Gabe, if you are wanting photocopies of the listing for MI, email me with a fax # ed Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Friday, April 8, 2005 3:41 PM Ed, Actually, I am more interested in your time travel proposal. I am sure we could get some others on here to go along with it and chip in for the price . . . sorry, I was having a Trainfinder22 moment. Thanks for all the info on the M-I. Very interesting. You aren't kidding when you say I was born a generation too late. My only fax machine belongs to the State of Indiana, something tells me that they would know it was me if a picture of trains came through over it. Thanks for the offer, but I better not misuse the taxpayer's funds. Thanks again for the info, very interesting. Gabe Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Saturday, April 9, 2005 10:21 AM You could, until the 1978 merger date, find quite a bit of freight equipment of all types with MI reporting marks. Number series were coordinated with MP, so it was a simple matter to reletter them later. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 9, 2005 12:01 PM If you go to www.rr-fallenflags.org there is a couple pictures of MI steam but you can't see any markings. John[8D][:o)] Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 9, 2005 1:58 PM found 2 old b&w pics www.rr-fallenflags.org under misc m's[8D] wish i could help more Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, April 10, 2005 8:09 AM Gabe this is directly out of the May 2005 Trains Magazine page 54 "Missouri-Illinois, popularly the "Mike & Ike" was 172 mile pike acquired by MoPac in 1933. It operated in both states but crossed the Mississippi River on a ferry (never a bridge)".[:o)][:D][:)][:p] Originally posted by gabe [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 12:52 PM I also looked in the Offical RR Guide for 82 & nothing there also under either Mopac or Missouri-Illinois. [:o)][:p][:)][:D] Originally posted by gabe Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:01 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I also looked in the Offical RR Guide for 82 & nothing there also under either Mopac or Missouri-Illinois. [:o)][:p][:)][:D] Originally posted by gabe Originally posted by spbed [banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead] Absorbed 1978 = not in existience now, 1982, 1979, 2112 etc. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:09 PM OK if I find 78 or earlier I will dial it up again. [:p][:)][8D] Originally posted by gabe Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,790 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:26 PM In 1928 Missouri - Illinois RR was held as a seprate operating company under ICC Valuation Docket #1185, Missouri & Illinois Bridge & Belt RR was Valuation Docket #575 and MoPac proper was #1006...for Tax and Charter reasons in Illinois, they could not be merged/borged. Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:41 PM Thanks Mudchicken. I am surprised I know so little about this railroad. I grew up only about 100 miles away from it. It is like finding a tree in your backyard that you never knew was there. Gabe Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,790 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 2:01 PM I would imagine that very little, if anything was stencilled Missouri-Illinois and it was a paper shell in the post depression world. Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply MP173 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Valparaiso, In 5,918 posts Posted by MP173 on Friday, April 8, 2005 2:56 PM Gabe: You were born a generation too late! I actually have a picture of the Missouri-Illinois taken in Centralia, Illinois back in around March, 1975. If I remember correctly, basketball season had just ended at OCC and I drove to Centralia. My camera was a 110 Instamatic and the shot isnt too bad...features a lashup of three MoPac Geeps. The one in front is #233. Something in the back of my mind tells me it was a GP18, but I could be wrong. My 1953 Official Guide has 1 and half page spread on the M-I. Most of the officers of the company were also officers of MoPac. The did have a VP - F.A. Schwab in Bonne Terre, Mo....no doubt the General Manager of the operations. The mainline ran from Salem, Il to Kellogg, Il. I do not believe there was a bridge at Kellogg across the Mississippi. The OG shows a local passenger train running from Salem (dp 8:50am) and terminating in Flinton, Il at 11:57am. It then returned, leaving Flinton at 102pm, arriving in Salem at 415pm. These were trains #1 and #2. The Official Guide also shows: Train 91 Local Fht. leaving Salem at 730am Train 63 Red Ball Fht leaving Salem at 200pm Arrivals are: Train 62 Red Ball fht at Salem at 1100am Train 90 Local Fth at Salem at 115pm Other branches included Bonne Terre to Leadwood, Missouri; Sparta, Il to Shaw's Mine; Thomure, Mo. to Bismark, Mo (the extention of the Salem mainline in Missouri) and Riverside, Mo to Derby Jct. Mo. Notes indicate that traffic from Kellogg to Thomure are by "Car Ferry". Also service to Shaw's Mine is "temporarily discontinued." If the 1953 Official Guide is accurate, the M-I was a mighty busy railroad during the day at Salem, Il...a passenger, Red Ball, and local freight in each direction between 730am and 415pm. Anyone interested in a time travel trip back to Salem in 1953 to see the M-I, Chicago and Eastern Illinois plus the Baltimore and Ohio? Gabe, if you are wanting photocopies of the listing for MI, email me with a fax # ed Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Friday, April 8, 2005 3:41 PM Ed, Actually, I am more interested in your time travel proposal. I am sure we could get some others on here to go along with it and chip in for the price . . . sorry, I was having a Trainfinder22 moment. Thanks for all the info on the M-I. Very interesting. You aren't kidding when you say I was born a generation too late. My only fax machine belongs to the State of Indiana, something tells me that they would know it was me if a picture of trains came through over it. Thanks for the offer, but I better not misuse the taxpayer's funds. Thanks again for the info, very interesting. Gabe Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Saturday, April 9, 2005 10:21 AM You could, until the 1978 merger date, find quite a bit of freight equipment of all types with MI reporting marks. Number series were coordinated with MP, so it was a simple matter to reletter them later. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 9, 2005 12:01 PM If you go to www.rr-fallenflags.org there is a couple pictures of MI steam but you can't see any markings. John[8D][:o)] Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 9, 2005 1:58 PM found 2 old b&w pics www.rr-fallenflags.org under misc m's[8D] wish i could help more Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, April 10, 2005 8:09 AM Gabe this is directly out of the May 2005 Trains Magazine page 54 "Missouri-Illinois, popularly the "Mike & Ike" was 172 mile pike acquired by MoPac in 1933. It operated in both states but crossed the Mississippi River on a ferry (never a bridge)".[:o)][:D][:)][:p] Originally posted by gabe [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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Originally posted by gabe Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:01 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I also looked in the Offical RR Guide for 82 & nothing there also under either Mopac or Missouri-Illinois. [:o)][:p][:)][:D] Originally posted by gabe Originally posted by spbed [banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead] Absorbed 1978 = not in existience now, 1982, 1979, 2112 etc. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:09 PM OK if I find 78 or earlier I will dial it up again. [:p][:)][8D] Originally posted by gabe Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,790 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:26 PM In 1928 Missouri - Illinois RR was held as a seprate operating company under ICC Valuation Docket #1185, Missouri & Illinois Bridge & Belt RR was Valuation Docket #575 and MoPac proper was #1006...for Tax and Charter reasons in Illinois, they could not be merged/borged. Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:41 PM Thanks Mudchicken. I am surprised I know so little about this railroad. I grew up only about 100 miles away from it. It is like finding a tree in your backyard that you never knew was there. Gabe Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,790 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 2:01 PM I would imagine that very little, if anything was stencilled Missouri-Illinois and it was a paper shell in the post depression world. Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply MP173 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Valparaiso, In 5,918 posts Posted by MP173 on Friday, April 8, 2005 2:56 PM Gabe: You were born a generation too late! I actually have a picture of the Missouri-Illinois taken in Centralia, Illinois back in around March, 1975. If I remember correctly, basketball season had just ended at OCC and I drove to Centralia. My camera was a 110 Instamatic and the shot isnt too bad...features a lashup of three MoPac Geeps. The one in front is #233. Something in the back of my mind tells me it was a GP18, but I could be wrong. My 1953 Official Guide has 1 and half page spread on the M-I. Most of the officers of the company were also officers of MoPac. The did have a VP - F.A. Schwab in Bonne Terre, Mo....no doubt the General Manager of the operations. The mainline ran from Salem, Il to Kellogg, Il. I do not believe there was a bridge at Kellogg across the Mississippi. The OG shows a local passenger train running from Salem (dp 8:50am) and terminating in Flinton, Il at 11:57am. It then returned, leaving Flinton at 102pm, arriving in Salem at 415pm. These were trains #1 and #2. The Official Guide also shows: Train 91 Local Fht. leaving Salem at 730am Train 63 Red Ball Fht leaving Salem at 200pm Arrivals are: Train 62 Red Ball fht at Salem at 1100am Train 90 Local Fth at Salem at 115pm Other branches included Bonne Terre to Leadwood, Missouri; Sparta, Il to Shaw's Mine; Thomure, Mo. to Bismark, Mo (the extention of the Salem mainline in Missouri) and Riverside, Mo to Derby Jct. Mo. Notes indicate that traffic from Kellogg to Thomure are by "Car Ferry". Also service to Shaw's Mine is "temporarily discontinued." If the 1953 Official Guide is accurate, the M-I was a mighty busy railroad during the day at Salem, Il...a passenger, Red Ball, and local freight in each direction between 730am and 415pm. Anyone interested in a time travel trip back to Salem in 1953 to see the M-I, Chicago and Eastern Illinois plus the Baltimore and Ohio? Gabe, if you are wanting photocopies of the listing for MI, email me with a fax # ed Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Friday, April 8, 2005 3:41 PM Ed, Actually, I am more interested in your time travel proposal. I am sure we could get some others on here to go along with it and chip in for the price . . . sorry, I was having a Trainfinder22 moment. Thanks for all the info on the M-I. Very interesting. You aren't kidding when you say I was born a generation too late. My only fax machine belongs to the State of Indiana, something tells me that they would know it was me if a picture of trains came through over it. Thanks for the offer, but I better not misuse the taxpayer's funds. Thanks again for the info, very interesting. Gabe Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Saturday, April 9, 2005 10:21 AM You could, until the 1978 merger date, find quite a bit of freight equipment of all types with MI reporting marks. Number series were coordinated with MP, so it was a simple matter to reletter them later. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 9, 2005 12:01 PM If you go to www.rr-fallenflags.org there is a couple pictures of MI steam but you can't see any markings. John[8D][:o)] Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 9, 2005 1:58 PM found 2 old b&w pics www.rr-fallenflags.org under misc m's[8D] wish i could help more Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, April 10, 2005 8:09 AM Gabe this is directly out of the May 2005 Trains Magazine page 54 "Missouri-Illinois, popularly the "Mike & Ike" was 172 mile pike acquired by MoPac in 1933. It operated in both states but crossed the Mississippi River on a ferry (never a bridge)".[:o)][:D][:)][:p] Originally posted by gabe [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:01 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I also looked in the Offical RR Guide for 82 & nothing there also under either Mopac or Missouri-Illinois. [:o)][:p][:)][:D] Originally posted by gabe Originally posted by spbed [banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead] Absorbed 1978 = not in existience now, 1982, 1979, 2112 etc. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:09 PM OK if I find 78 or earlier I will dial it up again. [:p][:)][8D] Originally posted by gabe Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,790 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:26 PM In 1928 Missouri - Illinois RR was held as a seprate operating company under ICC Valuation Docket #1185, Missouri & Illinois Bridge & Belt RR was Valuation Docket #575 and MoPac proper was #1006...for Tax and Charter reasons in Illinois, they could not be merged/borged. Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:41 PM Thanks Mudchicken. I am surprised I know so little about this railroad. I grew up only about 100 miles away from it. It is like finding a tree in your backyard that you never knew was there. Gabe Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,790 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 2:01 PM I would imagine that very little, if anything was stencilled Missouri-Illinois and it was a paper shell in the post depression world. Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply MP173 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Valparaiso, In 5,918 posts Posted by MP173 on Friday, April 8, 2005 2:56 PM Gabe: You were born a generation too late! I actually have a picture of the Missouri-Illinois taken in Centralia, Illinois back in around March, 1975. If I remember correctly, basketball season had just ended at OCC and I drove to Centralia. My camera was a 110 Instamatic and the shot isnt too bad...features a lashup of three MoPac Geeps. The one in front is #233. Something in the back of my mind tells me it was a GP18, but I could be wrong. My 1953 Official Guide has 1 and half page spread on the M-I. Most of the officers of the company were also officers of MoPac. The did have a VP - F.A. Schwab in Bonne Terre, Mo....no doubt the General Manager of the operations. The mainline ran from Salem, Il to Kellogg, Il. I do not believe there was a bridge at Kellogg across the Mississippi. The OG shows a local passenger train running from Salem (dp 8:50am) and terminating in Flinton, Il at 11:57am. It then returned, leaving Flinton at 102pm, arriving in Salem at 415pm. These were trains #1 and #2. The Official Guide also shows: Train 91 Local Fht. leaving Salem at 730am Train 63 Red Ball Fht leaving Salem at 200pm Arrivals are: Train 62 Red Ball fht at Salem at 1100am Train 90 Local Fth at Salem at 115pm Other branches included Bonne Terre to Leadwood, Missouri; Sparta, Il to Shaw's Mine; Thomure, Mo. to Bismark, Mo (the extention of the Salem mainline in Missouri) and Riverside, Mo to Derby Jct. Mo. Notes indicate that traffic from Kellogg to Thomure are by "Car Ferry". Also service to Shaw's Mine is "temporarily discontinued." If the 1953 Official Guide is accurate, the M-I was a mighty busy railroad during the day at Salem, Il...a passenger, Red Ball, and local freight in each direction between 730am and 415pm. Anyone interested in a time travel trip back to Salem in 1953 to see the M-I, Chicago and Eastern Illinois plus the Baltimore and Ohio? Gabe, if you are wanting photocopies of the listing for MI, email me with a fax # ed Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Friday, April 8, 2005 3:41 PM Ed, Actually, I am more interested in your time travel proposal. I am sure we could get some others on here to go along with it and chip in for the price . . . sorry, I was having a Trainfinder22 moment. Thanks for all the info on the M-I. Very interesting. You aren't kidding when you say I was born a generation too late. My only fax machine belongs to the State of Indiana, something tells me that they would know it was me if a picture of trains came through over it. Thanks for the offer, but I better not misuse the taxpayer's funds. Thanks again for the info, very interesting. Gabe Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Saturday, April 9, 2005 10:21 AM You could, until the 1978 merger date, find quite a bit of freight equipment of all types with MI reporting marks. Number series were coordinated with MP, so it was a simple matter to reletter them later. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 9, 2005 12:01 PM If you go to www.rr-fallenflags.org there is a couple pictures of MI steam but you can't see any markings. John[8D][:o)] Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 9, 2005 1:58 PM found 2 old b&w pics www.rr-fallenflags.org under misc m's[8D] wish i could help more Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, April 10, 2005 8:09 AM Gabe this is directly out of the May 2005 Trains Magazine page 54 "Missouri-Illinois, popularly the "Mike & Ike" was 172 mile pike acquired by MoPac in 1933. It operated in both states but crossed the Mississippi River on a ferry (never a bridge)".[:o)][:D][:)][:p] Originally posted by gabe [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I also looked in the Offical RR Guide for 82 & nothing there also under either Mopac or Missouri-Illinois. [:o)][:p][:)][:D] Originally posted by gabe Originally posted by spbed [banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead] Absorbed 1978 = not in existience now, 1982, 1979, 2112 etc. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:09 PM OK if I find 78 or earlier I will dial it up again. [:p][:)][8D] Originally posted by gabe Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,790 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:26 PM In 1928 Missouri - Illinois RR was held as a seprate operating company under ICC Valuation Docket #1185, Missouri & Illinois Bridge & Belt RR was Valuation Docket #575 and MoPac proper was #1006...for Tax and Charter reasons in Illinois, they could not be merged/borged. Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:41 PM Thanks Mudchicken. I am surprised I know so little about this railroad. I grew up only about 100 miles away from it. It is like finding a tree in your backyard that you never knew was there. Gabe Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,790 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 2:01 PM I would imagine that very little, if anything was stencilled Missouri-Illinois and it was a paper shell in the post depression world. Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply MP173 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Valparaiso, In 5,918 posts Posted by MP173 on Friday, April 8, 2005 2:56 PM Gabe: You were born a generation too late! I actually have a picture of the Missouri-Illinois taken in Centralia, Illinois back in around March, 1975. If I remember correctly, basketball season had just ended at OCC and I drove to Centralia. My camera was a 110 Instamatic and the shot isnt too bad...features a lashup of three MoPac Geeps. The one in front is #233. Something in the back of my mind tells me it was a GP18, but I could be wrong. My 1953 Official Guide has 1 and half page spread on the M-I. Most of the officers of the company were also officers of MoPac. The did have a VP - F.A. Schwab in Bonne Terre, Mo....no doubt the General Manager of the operations. The mainline ran from Salem, Il to Kellogg, Il. I do not believe there was a bridge at Kellogg across the Mississippi. The OG shows a local passenger train running from Salem (dp 8:50am) and terminating in Flinton, Il at 11:57am. It then returned, leaving Flinton at 102pm, arriving in Salem at 415pm. These were trains #1 and #2. The Official Guide also shows: Train 91 Local Fht. leaving Salem at 730am Train 63 Red Ball Fht leaving Salem at 200pm Arrivals are: Train 62 Red Ball fht at Salem at 1100am Train 90 Local Fth at Salem at 115pm Other branches included Bonne Terre to Leadwood, Missouri; Sparta, Il to Shaw's Mine; Thomure, Mo. to Bismark, Mo (the extention of the Salem mainline in Missouri) and Riverside, Mo to Derby Jct. Mo. Notes indicate that traffic from Kellogg to Thomure are by "Car Ferry". Also service to Shaw's Mine is "temporarily discontinued." If the 1953 Official Guide is accurate, the M-I was a mighty busy railroad during the day at Salem, Il...a passenger, Red Ball, and local freight in each direction between 730am and 415pm. Anyone interested in a time travel trip back to Salem in 1953 to see the M-I, Chicago and Eastern Illinois plus the Baltimore and Ohio? Gabe, if you are wanting photocopies of the listing for MI, email me with a fax # ed Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Friday, April 8, 2005 3:41 PM Ed, Actually, I am more interested in your time travel proposal. I am sure we could get some others on here to go along with it and chip in for the price . . . sorry, I was having a Trainfinder22 moment. Thanks for all the info on the M-I. Very interesting. You aren't kidding when you say I was born a generation too late. My only fax machine belongs to the State of Indiana, something tells me that they would know it was me if a picture of trains came through over it. Thanks for the offer, but I better not misuse the taxpayer's funds. Thanks again for the info, very interesting. Gabe Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Saturday, April 9, 2005 10:21 AM You could, until the 1978 merger date, find quite a bit of freight equipment of all types with MI reporting marks. Number series were coordinated with MP, so it was a simple matter to reletter them later. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 9, 2005 12:01 PM If you go to www.rr-fallenflags.org there is a couple pictures of MI steam but you can't see any markings. John[8D][:o)] Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 9, 2005 1:58 PM found 2 old b&w pics www.rr-fallenflags.org under misc m's[8D] wish i could help more Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, April 10, 2005 8:09 AM Gabe this is directly out of the May 2005 Trains Magazine page 54 "Missouri-Illinois, popularly the "Mike & Ike" was 172 mile pike acquired by MoPac in 1933. It operated in both states but crossed the Mississippi River on a ferry (never a bridge)".[:o)][:D][:)][:p] Originally posted by gabe [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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Originally posted by gabe Originally posted by spbed [banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead] Absorbed 1978 = not in existience now, 1982, 1979, 2112 etc. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:09 PM OK if I find 78 or earlier I will dial it up again. [:p][:)][8D] Originally posted by gabe Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,790 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:26 PM In 1928 Missouri - Illinois RR was held as a seprate operating company under ICC Valuation Docket #1185, Missouri & Illinois Bridge & Belt RR was Valuation Docket #575 and MoPac proper was #1006...for Tax and Charter reasons in Illinois, they could not be merged/borged. Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:41 PM Thanks Mudchicken. I am surprised I know so little about this railroad. I grew up only about 100 miles away from it. It is like finding a tree in your backyard that you never knew was there. Gabe Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,790 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 2:01 PM I would imagine that very little, if anything was stencilled Missouri-Illinois and it was a paper shell in the post depression world. Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply MP173 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Valparaiso, In 5,918 posts Posted by MP173 on Friday, April 8, 2005 2:56 PM Gabe: You were born a generation too late! I actually have a picture of the Missouri-Illinois taken in Centralia, Illinois back in around March, 1975. If I remember correctly, basketball season had just ended at OCC and I drove to Centralia. My camera was a 110 Instamatic and the shot isnt too bad...features a lashup of three MoPac Geeps. The one in front is #233. Something in the back of my mind tells me it was a GP18, but I could be wrong. My 1953 Official Guide has 1 and half page spread on the M-I. Most of the officers of the company were also officers of MoPac. The did have a VP - F.A. Schwab in Bonne Terre, Mo....no doubt the General Manager of the operations. The mainline ran from Salem, Il to Kellogg, Il. I do not believe there was a bridge at Kellogg across the Mississippi. The OG shows a local passenger train running from Salem (dp 8:50am) and terminating in Flinton, Il at 11:57am. It then returned, leaving Flinton at 102pm, arriving in Salem at 415pm. These were trains #1 and #2. The Official Guide also shows: Train 91 Local Fht. leaving Salem at 730am Train 63 Red Ball Fht leaving Salem at 200pm Arrivals are: Train 62 Red Ball fht at Salem at 1100am Train 90 Local Fth at Salem at 115pm Other branches included Bonne Terre to Leadwood, Missouri; Sparta, Il to Shaw's Mine; Thomure, Mo. to Bismark, Mo (the extention of the Salem mainline in Missouri) and Riverside, Mo to Derby Jct. Mo. Notes indicate that traffic from Kellogg to Thomure are by "Car Ferry". Also service to Shaw's Mine is "temporarily discontinued." If the 1953 Official Guide is accurate, the M-I was a mighty busy railroad during the day at Salem, Il...a passenger, Red Ball, and local freight in each direction between 730am and 415pm. Anyone interested in a time travel trip back to Salem in 1953 to see the M-I, Chicago and Eastern Illinois plus the Baltimore and Ohio? Gabe, if you are wanting photocopies of the listing for MI, email me with a fax # ed Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Friday, April 8, 2005 3:41 PM Ed, Actually, I am more interested in your time travel proposal. I am sure we could get some others on here to go along with it and chip in for the price . . . sorry, I was having a Trainfinder22 moment. Thanks for all the info on the M-I. Very interesting. You aren't kidding when you say I was born a generation too late. My only fax machine belongs to the State of Indiana, something tells me that they would know it was me if a picture of trains came through over it. Thanks for the offer, but I better not misuse the taxpayer's funds. Thanks again for the info, very interesting. Gabe Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Saturday, April 9, 2005 10:21 AM You could, until the 1978 merger date, find quite a bit of freight equipment of all types with MI reporting marks. Number series were coordinated with MP, so it was a simple matter to reletter them later. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 9, 2005 12:01 PM If you go to www.rr-fallenflags.org there is a couple pictures of MI steam but you can't see any markings. John[8D][:o)] Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 9, 2005 1:58 PM found 2 old b&w pics www.rr-fallenflags.org under misc m's[8D] wish i could help more Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, April 10, 2005 8:09 AM Gabe this is directly out of the May 2005 Trains Magazine page 54 "Missouri-Illinois, popularly the "Mike & Ike" was 172 mile pike acquired by MoPac in 1933. It operated in both states but crossed the Mississippi River on a ferry (never a bridge)".[:o)][:D][:)][:p] Originally posted by gabe [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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Originally posted by gabe Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,790 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:26 PM In 1928 Missouri - Illinois RR was held as a seprate operating company under ICC Valuation Docket #1185, Missouri & Illinois Bridge & Belt RR was Valuation Docket #575 and MoPac proper was #1006...for Tax and Charter reasons in Illinois, they could not be merged/borged. Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:41 PM Thanks Mudchicken. I am surprised I know so little about this railroad. I grew up only about 100 miles away from it. It is like finding a tree in your backyard that you never knew was there. Gabe Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,790 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 2:01 PM I would imagine that very little, if anything was stencilled Missouri-Illinois and it was a paper shell in the post depression world. Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply MP173 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Valparaiso, In 5,918 posts Posted by MP173 on Friday, April 8, 2005 2:56 PM Gabe: You were born a generation too late! I actually have a picture of the Missouri-Illinois taken in Centralia, Illinois back in around March, 1975. If I remember correctly, basketball season had just ended at OCC and I drove to Centralia. My camera was a 110 Instamatic and the shot isnt too bad...features a lashup of three MoPac Geeps. The one in front is #233. Something in the back of my mind tells me it was a GP18, but I could be wrong. My 1953 Official Guide has 1 and half page spread on the M-I. Most of the officers of the company were also officers of MoPac. The did have a VP - F.A. Schwab in Bonne Terre, Mo....no doubt the General Manager of the operations. The mainline ran from Salem, Il to Kellogg, Il. I do not believe there was a bridge at Kellogg across the Mississippi. The OG shows a local passenger train running from Salem (dp 8:50am) and terminating in Flinton, Il at 11:57am. It then returned, leaving Flinton at 102pm, arriving in Salem at 415pm. These were trains #1 and #2. The Official Guide also shows: Train 91 Local Fht. leaving Salem at 730am Train 63 Red Ball Fht leaving Salem at 200pm Arrivals are: Train 62 Red Ball fht at Salem at 1100am Train 90 Local Fth at Salem at 115pm Other branches included Bonne Terre to Leadwood, Missouri; Sparta, Il to Shaw's Mine; Thomure, Mo. to Bismark, Mo (the extention of the Salem mainline in Missouri) and Riverside, Mo to Derby Jct. Mo. Notes indicate that traffic from Kellogg to Thomure are by "Car Ferry". Also service to Shaw's Mine is "temporarily discontinued." If the 1953 Official Guide is accurate, the M-I was a mighty busy railroad during the day at Salem, Il...a passenger, Red Ball, and local freight in each direction between 730am and 415pm. Anyone interested in a time travel trip back to Salem in 1953 to see the M-I, Chicago and Eastern Illinois plus the Baltimore and Ohio? Gabe, if you are wanting photocopies of the listing for MI, email me with a fax # ed Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Friday, April 8, 2005 3:41 PM Ed, Actually, I am more interested in your time travel proposal. I am sure we could get some others on here to go along with it and chip in for the price . . . sorry, I was having a Trainfinder22 moment. Thanks for all the info on the M-I. Very interesting. You aren't kidding when you say I was born a generation too late. My only fax machine belongs to the State of Indiana, something tells me that they would know it was me if a picture of trains came through over it. Thanks for the offer, but I better not misuse the taxpayer's funds. Thanks again for the info, very interesting. Gabe Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Saturday, April 9, 2005 10:21 AM You could, until the 1978 merger date, find quite a bit of freight equipment of all types with MI reporting marks. Number series were coordinated with MP, so it was a simple matter to reletter them later. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 9, 2005 12:01 PM If you go to www.rr-fallenflags.org there is a couple pictures of MI steam but you can't see any markings. John[8D][:o)] Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 9, 2005 1:58 PM found 2 old b&w pics www.rr-fallenflags.org under misc m's[8D] wish i could help more Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, April 10, 2005 8:09 AM Gabe this is directly out of the May 2005 Trains Magazine page 54 "Missouri-Illinois, popularly the "Mike & Ike" was 172 mile pike acquired by MoPac in 1933. It operated in both states but crossed the Mississippi River on a ferry (never a bridge)".[:o)][:D][:)][:p] Originally posted by gabe [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,790 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:26 PM In 1928 Missouri - Illinois RR was held as a seprate operating company under ICC Valuation Docket #1185, Missouri & Illinois Bridge & Belt RR was Valuation Docket #575 and MoPac proper was #1006...for Tax and Charter reasons in Illinois, they could not be merged/borged. Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Friday, April 8, 2005 1:41 PM Thanks Mudchicken. I am surprised I know so little about this railroad. I grew up only about 100 miles away from it. It is like finding a tree in your backyard that you never knew was there. Gabe Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,790 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 2:01 PM I would imagine that very little, if anything was stencilled Missouri-Illinois and it was a paper shell in the post depression world. Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply MP173 Member sinceMay 2004 From: Valparaiso, In 5,918 posts Posted by MP173 on Friday, April 8, 2005 2:56 PM Gabe: You were born a generation too late! I actually have a picture of the Missouri-Illinois taken in Centralia, Illinois back in around March, 1975. If I remember correctly, basketball season had just ended at OCC and I drove to Centralia. My camera was a 110 Instamatic and the shot isnt too bad...features a lashup of three MoPac Geeps. The one in front is #233. Something in the back of my mind tells me it was a GP18, but I could be wrong. My 1953 Official Guide has 1 and half page spread on the M-I. Most of the officers of the company were also officers of MoPac. The did have a VP - F.A. Schwab in Bonne Terre, Mo....no doubt the General Manager of the operations. The mainline ran from Salem, Il to Kellogg, Il. I do not believe there was a bridge at Kellogg across the Mississippi. The OG shows a local passenger train running from Salem (dp 8:50am) and terminating in Flinton, Il at 11:57am. It then returned, leaving Flinton at 102pm, arriving in Salem at 415pm. These were trains #1 and #2. The Official Guide also shows: Train 91 Local Fht. leaving Salem at 730am Train 63 Red Ball Fht leaving Salem at 200pm Arrivals are: Train 62 Red Ball fht at Salem at 1100am Train 90 Local Fth at Salem at 115pm Other branches included Bonne Terre to Leadwood, Missouri; Sparta, Il to Shaw's Mine; Thomure, Mo. to Bismark, Mo (the extention of the Salem mainline in Missouri) and Riverside, Mo to Derby Jct. Mo. Notes indicate that traffic from Kellogg to Thomure are by "Car Ferry". Also service to Shaw's Mine is "temporarily discontinued." If the 1953 Official Guide is accurate, the M-I was a mighty busy railroad during the day at Salem, Il...a passenger, Red Ball, and local freight in each direction between 730am and 415pm. Anyone interested in a time travel trip back to Salem in 1953 to see the M-I, Chicago and Eastern Illinois plus the Baltimore and Ohio? Gabe, if you are wanting photocopies of the listing for MI, email me with a fax # ed Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Friday, April 8, 2005 3:41 PM Ed, Actually, I am more interested in your time travel proposal. I am sure we could get some others on here to go along with it and chip in for the price . . . sorry, I was having a Trainfinder22 moment. Thanks for all the info on the M-I. Very interesting. You aren't kidding when you say I was born a generation too late. My only fax machine belongs to the State of Indiana, something tells me that they would know it was me if a picture of trains came through over it. Thanks for the offer, but I better not misuse the taxpayer's funds. Thanks again for the info, very interesting. Gabe Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Saturday, April 9, 2005 10:21 AM You could, until the 1978 merger date, find quite a bit of freight equipment of all types with MI reporting marks. Number series were coordinated with MP, so it was a simple matter to reletter them later. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 9, 2005 12:01 PM If you go to www.rr-fallenflags.org there is a couple pictures of MI steam but you can't see any markings. John[8D][:o)] Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 9, 2005 1:58 PM found 2 old b&w pics www.rr-fallenflags.org under misc m's[8D] wish i could help more Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Sunday, April 10, 2005 8:09 AM Gabe this is directly out of the May 2005 Trains Magazine page 54 "Missouri-Illinois, popularly the "Mike & Ike" was 172 mile pike acquired by MoPac in 1933. It operated in both states but crossed the Mississippi River on a ferry (never a bridge)".[:o)][:D][:)][:p] Originally posted by gabe [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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